We Americans -- are holding on to our hats.

DocFox

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Today we have a new President and his party, the Republicans (or the GOP or the party of Lincoln) control both houses of Congress.

President Trump, in the model set forth by President Reagan, promised sweeping changes in the first 100 days. During the campaign, he said a physical wall was impossible, the wall would be something different. Probably beefing up the Border Patrol and enforcing more strictly the immigration laws already on the books.

The Affordable Health Care Act, better known as Obamacare, is a goner.

President Trump promised a bigger Navy. That should be interesting.

And We Americans can only imagine what else will happen. We are sitting tight. President Trump promised action and no one doubted that during the campaign or now. There will be a lot of blustering, and the opposing party cannot block anything for at least two years. So We Americans can only sit tight and see what our new President will do.

An interesting fact. The President of the United States has a salary of $400,000 per year. Four years in the office each term comes to $1.6 million dollars. In that time, they obviously have no expenses. Travel, food, housing, are all provided.

President Trump is taking the minimum salary he can by law, $1 per year. I don't know if that will make him less tempted by corruption or more. It is interesting.
 
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Bbmad

Active Member
It will be interesting to know where Trump will rank on the list of best and worst US Presidents:
Top 5 Best:
1. FDR
2. Theodore Roosevelt
3. Eisenhower
4. Andrew Jackson
5. LBJ

Top 5 Worst
1. George W. Bush
2. Bill Clinton
3. George H. Bush
4. Richard Nixon
5. Gerald Ford
 

Ianroberts

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Its time for everyone to stop accusing this and asking that. The bloke will do what he does at the end of the day. All those stupid young people (manly female) I saw on the tv last night demonstrating about it (I actually call what they were doing criminal damage) one particularly stupid young female while being interviewed on camera stated "he is not my President" YES HE IS LOVE ! The main problem I see is that he needs to spend to much time looking behind him because the establishment didnt want him and dont want him, Set ups will be a plenty !
 

Slider1

Active Member
It will be interesting to know where Trump will rank on the list of best and worst US Presidents:
Top 5 Best:
1. FDR
2. Theodore Roosevelt
3. Eisenhower
4. Andrew Jackson
5. LBJ

Top 5 Worst
1. George W. Bush
2. Bill Clinton
3. George H. Bush
4. Richard Nixon
5. Gerald Ford

For an outlay of a $1 a year probably top of the Best
Now if we could talk our 600 into the same deal it might save the NHS?
 

DocFox

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Lots of lists out there. I found one that rated the Presidents and list either their major blunders or greatest accomplishments. What is DOES not take into account is morality.

The Worst, 10 being the least worst of the bunch and President Buchanan the worst.

10. Warren G Harding
9. Richard Nixon
8. Lyndon B. Johnson
7. Ulysses S. Grant
6. Franklin Pierce
5. Jimmy Carter
4. Barack Obama
3. Woodrow Wilson
2. Andrew Jackson
1. James Buchanan

Modern Presidents on the Worst list include President Nixon, President Carter, and President Obama


10. Calvin Coolidge
9. James Madison
8. Dwight D. Eisenhower
7. John F. Kennedy
6. James K. Polk
5. Harry Truman
4. Ronald Reagan
3. Thomas Jefferson
2. George Washington
1. Abraham Lincoln

This list seems very good but may shock some people. President Lincoln as the best President is no shock at all. Modern Presidents on the list includes President Reagan and President Kennedy.


Each list is made up using differing criteria. If their moral behavior was included, President Clinton and President Kennedy would have more problems. But this list is strictly based on what they accomplished while in office. That list 20 of the US Presidents. President Trump is the 45th. That basically leaves 25 Presidents "in the middle."
 

Bbmad

Active Member
Lots of lists out there. I found one that rated the Presidents and list either their major blunders or greatest accomplishments. What is DOES not take into account is morality.

The Worst, 10 being the least worst of the bunch and President Buchanan the worst.

10. Warren G Harding
9. Richard Nixon
8. Lyndon B. Johnson
7. Ulysses S. Grant
6. Franklin Pierce
5. Jimmy Carter
4. Barack Obama
3. Woodrow Wilson
2. Andrew Jackson
1. James Buchanan

Modern Presidents on the Worst list include President Nixon, President Carter, and President Obama


10. Calvin Coolidge
9. James Madison
8. Dwight D. Eisenhower
7. John F. Kennedy
6. James K. Polk
5. Harry Truman
4. Ronald Reagan
3. Thomas Jefferson
2. George Washington
1. Abraham Lincoln

This list seems very good but may shock some people. President Lincoln as the best President is no shock at all. Modern Presidents on the list includes President Reagan and President Kennedy.


Each list is made up using differing criteria. If their moral behavior was included, President Clinton and President Kennedy would have more problems. But this list is strictly based on what they accomplished while in office. That list 20 of the US Presidents. President Trump is the 45th. That basically leaves 25 Presidents "in the middle."
If it was a list based on moral behaviour it would be (1 being most objectionable and 5 least objectionable) it would be:
1. Nixon
2. Ford
3. Reagan
4. Bush SNR
5. Clinton
 

DocFox

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Not a bad list. Mine would be:

1. Nixon (watergate, lying about Vietnam, etc.)
2. Clinton (slept a lot in White House, but probably not with his wife, many insider scandals)
3. JFK (it has well been confirmed Marilyn Monroe and many others had their time with him)
4. Ford (for his dreadful way of handling the end of Vietnam and the human rights that were violated)
5. LBJ ( for his constant lying about Vietnam, and picking targets himself and not letting the military do their thing. 53,000+ American soldiers died. After signing the peace agreement, the North Vietnamese said the Operation Linebacker II had them on their knees and they were about to surrender - but that was during Ford's administration)

I guess I politely do not agree with Bush 41 or Reagan.

But one has to wonder about morals and leadership. There is an old saying. Two leaders are fighting for control. One smokes constantly, and rarely or never goes to church, the other despises smoking and goes to church every Sunday. Who would you choose?

The first one who smokes and doesn't go to church is Churchill
The second on who hates smoking and always attends church is Hitler
 
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Jack E

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During the campaign, (President Trump) said a physical wall was impossible, the wall would be something different. Probably beefing up the Border Patrol and enforcing more strictly the immigration laws already on the books.

As compared to Obama ordering the authorities not to enforce immigration law, that alone is a heck of an improvement, Jim.

The Affordable Health Care Act, better known as Obamacare, is a goner.

President Reagan's daughter, a prominent Democrat, publicly expressed her anger at the effects of that Act on those who already had healthcare provision.

President Trump promised a bigger Navy.

With what the Chinese are currently doing off the coast of Japan and the Phillipines, that sounds a very prudent move.

The President of the United States has a salary of $400,000 per year. Four years in the office each term comes to $1.6 million dollars. President Trump is taking the minimum salary he can by law, $1 per year. I don't know if that will make him less tempted by corruption or more. It is interesting.

It's interesting to compare that with the behaviour of the Obamas, who treated Air Force One as though it was a Yellow Cab; as I understand it, they even used the aircraft to fly the family dog out to join them on holiday, once.

With best regards,

Jack
 

DocFox

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With what the Chinese are currently doing off the coast of Japan and the Phillipines, that sounds a very prudent move.

The US has 400+ active ships, 70 reserve ships (believe it or not, two WWII Battleships), and 70 under construction. Japan, with the US Military's help, has really beefed their "Self-Defence Navy" because of China. Taiwan is an island bristling with the latest US military hardware. China has said by 2050 they will take Taiwan (Formosa). Japan wouldn't like that and neither would the US.

Even Vietnam who shares a border with China has approached their old enemy, the US, for possible help. The Philippines are well defended and the US WOULD defend them.

And the type of ships President Trump is talking about are Zumwalt class destroyers and upgrading the Marine MEUs for amphibious assaults etc.

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Jack E

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The US has 400+ active ships, 70 reserve ships (believe it or not, two WWII Battleships)

Re. the battleships; if a shore-based enemy don't have adequate air cover, or missiles capable of sinking them, ships with 16" guns can hit on-shore targets 20 miles away without putting your aircrew at risk from short-range ground to air missiles or anti-aircraft guns - even if they are donkey's years old!
 

DocFox

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The Battleships are pseudo-museums. The US Navy "lends" them to a historical society. The society must be able to get all their stuff off the ship in 7 days. Ammunition for the big guns is stored on the ships. One of the reserve ships is the USS Constitution, one of the first US Navy Ships. Obviously a sailing ship. A 46 gun Frigate.



Not a big threat, but they do put her to sea for publicity purposes every so often. I think when it is sailed it is done by US Naval Academy Cadets.

And the Battleships have been greatly upgraded. They carry all kinds of missiles, including Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. They have advanced radar and CWIS missile defense if memory serves me right.
 

Slider1

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We've got Boaty macboatface! and whats more our no.1 Supreme ship is H.M.S. Victory.
But seriously when our Monarch reviewed her Fleet, a few years ago, in a Bright Red Harbour masters Tub, that really took the Sea Biscuit.
Were doomed.
 

Anno Draconis

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But one has to wonder about morals and leadership. There is an old saying. Two leaders are fighting for control. One smokes constantly, and rarely or never goes to church, the other despises smoking and goes to church every Sunday. Who would you choose?

I don't want moral leadership.I want someone who's good at running the country. Please? Surely there must be someone? I've never understood this prurient obsession with who leaders are sleeping with. As long as they're not preaching about wholesome family life or actually breaking the law they can be the Baby Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells in the bedroom for all I care.

If they're breaking the law I want them held to account for it, but if they're just philandering, why do we care? For my money FDR was America's best president, and the main reason he had a summer home at Warm Springs was so he had somewhere to bonk his secretary. Sexual morality =/= strong leadership.
 

Slider1

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I don't want moral leadership.I want someone who's good at running the country. Please? Surely there must be someone? I've never understood this prurient obsession with who leaders are sleeping with. As long as they're not preaching about wholesome family life or actually breaking the law they can be the Baby Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells in the bedroom for all I care.

If they're breaking the law I want them held to account for it, but if they're just philandering, why do we care? For my money FDR was America's best president, and the main reason he had a summer home at Warm Springs was so he had somewhere to bonk his secretary. Sexual morality =/= strong leadership.
That may explain the wheel chair
 

David Evans

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It's interesting to compare that with the behaviour of the Obamas, who treated Air Force One as though it was a Yellow Cab; as I understand it, they even used the aircraft to fly the family dog out to join them on holiday, once.

Oh dear Jack E, you have succumbed to one of half a dozen false news items perpetrated by BuzzfeedUSA, registered to a site in Macedonia. Others included Obama being jetted off to play a round of golf;
and why highlight Reagan's daughter's utterances, is it a mark of a civilised society, to repeal healthcare for 22 million of your citizens?
I suggest you actually read the Obama's administration 2009 immigration report and their suggestions for changing it to a far more humane, just and sensible set of rules, most of which were blocked by political opponents. Lastly, as for increasing the navy, Obama had already done that but on a more measured scale, Trump will be forced to spend well over 4 thousand million dollars a year and produce a new vessel every fortnight, is that realistic or just a pipedream?
 

GJG

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Personally, I'm not overly worried. Trump may yet surprise us all and turn out to be a good leader. If not, the great thing about the US (unlike the UK) is that if the POTUS does turn out to be a complete (and dangerous) liability, he will probably be assassinated (most likely by the CIA). Whereas, over here, we just put up with them for five years, then promote them to the House of Lords ...
 

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