trumpet/cornet

[Not_Jus_An_Object]

i'm currently in year 11 at school (im 15) and i want to do music as a career. i've played in brass bands for about six years but my teacher wants me to play trumpet (as well) i play on a denis wick 4 mouthpiece on my cornet and my trumpet mouthpiece is a yammy 16c4gp, does any one know what the equivalent trumpet mouthpiece is? also how can i enjoy trumpet more, i know there are more career opportunities for trumpet players but i cannot get used to playing a totally different instrument

 

[leisa]

hi i wasjust adviedto start the trumpet aswell and am having problems enjoyin it asmuch somy teacher asked me to get hold of a flugel where you can go into jazz and almost as many options astrumpet im enjoyin it alotmore than trumpet..........havent got aclue bou the mouthpieces.!!

 

[Not_Jus_An_Object]

yea, but my teacher was very persuasive so my mum has bought this trumpet. i have been promised a flugel but not till i have got my a-levels. im in our county wind and jazz band which i play trumpet in. unfortunately since ive been playing my trumpet so much my cornet playing is ****. i can't seem to get a decent amount of practise on each to maintain a decent standard of playing

 

[Seedhouse]

Although not a cornet player, the principles are the same when playing multiple instruments (not at once! lol) You said your cornet playing was getting worse?? Well what i'd advise is to allocate however much time you have a day to practicing and divide it equally between each instruments. Another way to sort this, is to make sure that the mouthpiece you use for each is the same. Not being a cornet player, I cannot help you. But if you go into a specialist brass shop, or just a music shop, with both mouthpieces and ask, i'm sure that they'd be happy to help you!
Good luck with this,
Alex

 

[Naomi McFadyen]

Being a multi-instrumentalist myself I know how hard it is to keep up playing all the instruments at a high standard... I must try and keep up the practise because I'm finding that the standard with some instruments has started to slip... sound qualities are fine; it's the rest of it! (ie technical stuff!) :?

An hour a day on each instrument should do the trick! lol!

 

[Straightmute]

Another way to sort this, is to make sure that the mouthpiece you use for each is the same. Not being a cornet player, I cannot help you.

This isn't necessarily the case. Trumpet players will use different mouthpieces according to instrument and for musical considerations. There's no way that a sensible player would use the same mouthpiece for (say) playing third trumpet in a Tchaikovsky symphony and for the piccolo trumpet part he needs to play in the piece which follows it... Most important is that he chooses the right tools for the job and is familiar with the way they work. So for Miss not_jus_an_object my advice would be to stick with her preferred cornet mouthpiece when playing cornet and find a good all round trumpet mouthpiece (VB 1 1/4 C ???) and do lots of practice on both, but not look for a messy compromise mouthpiece which is really adequate for neither. You just get used to changing.

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[Not_Jus_An_Object]

i would love to spend that amount of time each day practising them but i also have to do a decent piano practise andi have got a lot of coursework to do which limits the time i can spend practising. thanx for your advice

 

[picju96]

I play both too, I use a DW4 on cornet and Bach 1 3/4 C on trumpet, they're practically the same. I have a cornet mouthpiece from bach that is exactly the same as my trumpet one, trouble is, it sounds exactly like my trumpet on a cornet too. So I don't use it. It takes a while to get used to swopping instruments, I've been doing it for 4 years and only just got the hang of it (maybe that's just me!!).

 

[Accidental]

...not look for a messy compromise mouthpiece which is really adequate for neither. You just get used to changing.

Couldn't agree more! Going through school I played french and tenor horn (same argument re. careers etc as you've probably heard for trumpet) and was advised to play on the biggest available F horn mouthpiece all the time (had an adapter for the Eb horn). End result? I sounded pants on both!!!! :? I didn't improve on either instrument until I went back to using the "right" mouthpiece for each situation, and worked hard on the flexibility to make switching about easier.

 

[beard_4b]

I play cornet on an RW4B and trumpet on a yamaha 11B4 which is almost flat - great for screaming out the high notes, but terrible for low notes - does wonders for your range on cornet though screaming out those high notes however you have to make up for it by practising long notes to get a good tone back.

Bit of a difference in cup size when u switch back though 0but if u practice regularly its easy to overcome! :wink:

 

[backrowbloke]

I used to play different mouthpieces on boh cornet and trumpet, depending on what i was playing. front row cornet was DW 4B,back row (majority playing) DW3. On trumpet i mainly used a Bach 1 1/4C (mostly theatre pit work) but occaisionally a yamaha shallow cup for dance / high stuff.

As in previous posts, I think you've got to pick the mouthpiece for the job, but visit your local store and get some advice.

 

[yorkyboy]

I used to play different mouthpieces on boh cornet and trumpet, depending on what i was playing. front row cornet was DW 4B,back row (majority playing) DW3. On trumpet i mainly used a Bach 1 1/4C (mostly theatre pit work) but occaisionally a yamaha shallow cup for dance / high stuff.

As in previous posts, I think you've got to pick the mouthpiece for the job, but visit your local store and get some advice.

Id agree with this. I too played on a Wick 4 mouthpiece and I used a VB1 1/2 c althought the 1 1/4 c is not much different. I always found it pretty comfortable swapping between these two .

 

[davidquinlan]

cornet/trumpet

I would say, as you play both cornet and trumpet that a larger trumpet mouthpiece would be more benificial. I don't know very much about yamaha mouthpieces, so can't comment on the 16c4gp. However, if it is too shallow, playing cornet after trumpet will be a struggle.

FWIW, I use a DW 3B on cornet, and a Schilkie 16 on Bb trumpet (it's about equivalent to a Bach 1 1/4C), Schilkie 15a4 when playing Soprano or Piccolo trumpet.

I don't practice both (or all four!!) instruments everday (as some have suggested), I tend to target my practice towards my next gig.. i.e. at the moment I'm concentrating mainly on Cornet (playing in Folkestone on Sunday), but from next week, I will mainly practice on trumpet as I have a gig in a theatre coming up.

 

[DrCornet]

I was recommended to stick to a particular rim size, and adjust the cup to suit the style of music you are playing.
I use a Yamaha 16E for Bb cornet - it's the one that comes with the Maestro cornet. It's fairly bucket like and seems similar in size to the DW 4 I used to play on. For Bb trumpet, requiring a brighter tone, I use 16C4. The 16B4 is also good for Bb but I prefer deeper gob irons anyway.
For Eb/D or picc I use a 16A4 - shallow and squeeky but it helps get the high notes! For flugel I tried completing the set with a Yamaha 16F but this seemed like a total disaster and have gone back to my trusty DW 2FL.
Hope this is of some use to you.

 

[Not_Jus_An_Object]

thanx, its bin a lot of help. trouble is, as well as theproblem with the mouthpiece, i dislike the trumpet. i dnt really know why. i think it is because of playing solely brass band music and being solely in a brass band.i suoppose i'll get over it

 

[Richard Pugh]

I think if you stick with it you will enjoy trumpet. It is good for certain things and once you have learned it a bit more you will be able to play different styles in band easier. For example some of the kind of "big band" arrangements coming out for band are much easier if you have played trumpet and you can make it sound a bit more genuine. I think it is good to be able to play all of the instruments mentioned (cornet/trumpet/flugel/sop).
Finally I tend to follow the suggestion of David Quinlan and practice the instrument I am playing next. It will become easier the more you do it and your range will improve enormously with the different instruments.

p.s. Just find mouthpieces that suit on each one rather than trying to scream some big band trumpet stuff using a bucket mouthpiece just because it might affect your cornet playing...I know a few professional players who change mouthpiece during a piece for a particularly high/low bit and then switch back.

 

[davidquinlan]

thanx, its bin a lot of help. trouble is, as well as theproblem with the mouthpiece, i dislike the trumpet. i dnt really know why. i think it is because of playing solely brass band music and being solely in a brass band.i suoppose i'll get over it

Don't give up!!!!

I would recommend listening to more trumpet/cornet players... treat yourself to Martin Winter's CD "Winter's Tale".. it's much cheaper than a new mouthpiece and is far more inspiring!!! On this CD he plays Trumpet, Cornet and Flugel in many different styles.

Other trumpet players to listen to would be Allen Vizzutti, Wynton Marsalis, Maurice Andre etc etc...