"Pastime with Good Company" by Henry VIII -- Best Brass Band arrangment?

Anno Draconis

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In all seriousness... why not do your own? You know the strengths and weaknesses of your band, and if anything could be nailed on to be a "Public Domain" work, this is it.
 

jobriant

Active Member
In all seriousness... why not do your own? You know the strengths and weaknesses of your band, and if anything could be nailed on to be a "Public Domain" work, this is it.
The original is in the public domain -- but I can't read it.

(Click for image) Pastime with Good Company - Wikipedia

I would have to work from someone else's arrangement, and to my knowledge, none of those are in the Public Domain.

And I'm already in the middle of half a dozen other arrangments. I've promised myself not to start any more until these are finished....

Jim O'Briant
Music Director / Staff Arranger
The Pacific Brass Band, Salinas, California, USA
www.PacificBrassBand.org
 

GJG

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Hi Jim,

Here's a sample of my arrangement in its concert band version. Perhaps a bit more complex than you are looking for?

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Philip
Philip, how different is the brass band version? is it possible to see a perusal version of the score anywhere, please?
 

MoominDave

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-- except for the "rock" drum part that starts at about 1:30 of the piece. I think that a re-write of the drum part might be in order here, if we want to include it in more serious concerts.
When we've performed it, the MD's simply instructed the kit percussionist to make up something suitably 'hey nonny nonny' along the lines of the first half of the arrangement. It works well - there's no dependency on a rock beat in the brass parts. Btw, I concur on the good taste judgment - it's not brass banding's finest musical moment when the rock beat kicks in...
 

MoominDave

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The original is in the public domain -- but I can't read it.

(Click for image) Pastime with Good Company - Wikipedia

I would have to work from someone else's arrangement, and to my knowledge, none of those are in the Public Domain.

And I'm already in the middle of half a dozen other arrangments. I've promised myself not to start any more until these are finished....

Jim O'Briant
Music Director / Staff Arranger
The Pacific Brass Band, Salinas, California, USA
www.PacificBrassBand.org
Screenshot of it attached to this post... No excuses now!
 

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GJG

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Screenshot of it attached to this post... No excuses now!
I could be wrong but I rather thought that when the OP said he couldn't "read it", he meant that he didn't know how to interpret the notation, rather than that he couldn't display the image ... ?
 

jobriant

Active Member
A reply to several of the above replies:

Thank you, Philip Sparke, for joining this discussion. I've listened to your Brass Band arrangement on YouTube, while following the sample score you linked above. Very finely crafted, but a bit "busier" that I'm looking for. May also be too challenging for our back bench cornets and a few other individuals in the band. Thank you also for the original in modern notation.

As for doing my own arrangement -- I could spend a LOT of time on it and not come up with anything that is better than or even equals either the Sparke or Roberts arrangement. My comment about "not being able to read" the original did indeed refer to my own unfamiliarity with the notation of 450-500 years ago, and to the quality of the image. So my other excuse for not writing my own arrangement remains the same: too many irons in the fire.

And thank you, "Moomin Dave," for confirming my impression that the brass parts in the last 40% of the Roberts arrangement can work just fine without a rock beat. Thus, as I said in an earlier reply, I'll most likely purchase the Roberts arrangement an re-write the percussion to replace the rock beat with something more period-appropriate.

Jim O'Briant
Music Director / Staff Arranger
The Pacific Brass Band, Salinas, California, USA
www.PacificBrassBand.org
 

Euphonium Lite

Active Member
I hope I didn't sound as though suggesting superiority by not liking it. It's probably just that I'm not cool enough :)
Lol not at all - appreciate theres a lot of people that don't like "tat" (which the Roberts version is I guess) - however I find it fun to play even though it is a splitfest on cornet for most bands and theres an out-of-keeping rock beat. But then I also quite like The Floral Dance and the Ashmore arrangement of Jingle Bells - maybe I'm just a bit sad :)
 

Rebel Tuba

Member
I have never understood the fascination with this piece. I like most Roberts stuff, okayish throw away novelty numbers that go down well with audiences, but Pastime With Good Company is always one of those pieces that leave me sighing when an MD pulls it from the cabinets and blows the dust off.

I can see it going well in a "themed" concert, but as individual concert item I say, "Off with its head....."
 

ROBTHEDOG

Member
Steve Roberts arrangement stems from the original Fine Arts Brass arrangement. Steve expanded for his brass band (which I played for) and was done for UK entertainment competition. In some ways similar to Sky & Ray Farr's treatment of the Bach Tocatta. If you want something slightly different just ask Steve he's prolific in arrangement and I'm sure would knock up a style you prefer. HneryVIII won't complain.
 

jobriant

Active Member
Steve Roberts arrangement stems from the original Fine Arts Brass arrangement. ...If you want something slightly different just ask Steve he's prolific in arrangement and I'm sure would knock up a style you prefer. Henry VIII won't complain.
I like everything about the published Roberts arrangement except the rock 'n' roll drums. My intention is to purchase that arrangement & re-write the percussion.

Jim O’Briant
Gilroy, California, USA
Music Director / Staff Arranger
The Pacific Brass Band
www.PacificBrassBand.org
 

MalWel

New Member
We have a good arrangement in our library by a local arranger David Lancaster of York University. Not sure if it is widely published but could contact him. It is suitable for lower section bands as well.
 
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