Just a correction Ian - Worsbourgh were 8th out of 9 bands last year and their average for the previous year (first time in Regionals 2009) was 5.5. As you so rightly point out any band competing for the first time in the Midlands would start with an average of 12 for each of the two previous years compared to say 11 in total for Yorkshire...... look at Yorkshire 4th section Worsbourgh came 12th (last) last year and 1st this year and will be promoted. I cant see that happening in the Midlands can you?
At present, the regions are divided up depending on the county boundaries. A slight change to this criteria could make all the difference......maybe as someone else said, if a band is on the border between areas let them choose which they want to play in. then it would ease the burdon, I can think of 5 or 6 4th section bands in NE Derbyshire who would be better off playing in Yorkshire instead of the Midlands because it would level the playing field, 16 bands in Yorkshire or 28 bands in the Midlands??? Mmm now let me see.......
Dont forget Creswell, just round the corner too - take care though a mass move of bands from North East Derbyshire into Gods Own Country would even out the South and West Yorkshire bands numbers - having said that Bradford is nearer than Bedworth and the facilities there are rather nice.Why not have a look at using postcode districts instead. As Whitwell, Dronfield and Ireland have Sheffield postcodes they could be competing alongside other Yorkshire bands. The City Hall would just be the icing on the cake
And that is the point, nothing will happen..... unless we as members and participants push the regional committees and the promoters to do something about it. We are the life blood of the whole thing, without us how much is Kapitol going to make? There are a lot of good ideas on this thread and I'm sure that between us all we can come to a compromise.
Thanks for that, much appreciated. I played with Hucknall and Linby.1Shirebrook MW Unison 4 3 2 9
2Porthywaen 9 ar7 1 17
3Hucknall & Linby 9 av 5 6 20
4Avonbank Evesham 8 10 3 21
5Long Eaton Silver 9 ar 8 ar5 22
6Amington 9 ap4 11 24
6Rushden Windmill 9 11 4 24
8Stamford 11 6 8 25
9West Mercia Constabulary 9 ar8 ar10 27
10City of Birmingham 12 9 7 28
11Rolls Royce Derby 9 ar8 ar13 30
11Cubbington Silver 17 1 12 30
13Daventry 9 ar 14 9 31
14Thoresby Colliery Youth 9 ar8 ar16 33
14Warwick University 3 16*14 33
16Burbage (Buxton) 9 ap13 15 37
17Newstead Abbey Brass 10 16* 17* 43
Hope this helps Mark, it's correct as far as I am aware. Sorry about the layout doesn't translatewell from excel. By the way, who were you playing with?
I agree with you on the size of the section 25 /24 bands is far to many when you look at the 2nd section only 10!!!!!In my honest opinion the 4th section in the Midlands is a joke. I dont care who the judge is, or how good he claims to be, no man on Gods Earth can give a fair and accurate placing to 25 bands. Something needs to change dramatically.
Whatever, something should happen. But something won't happen will it?, and this discussion will occur again in roughly 12 months time
Although our band doesnt compete in the Midlands Area I have a great deal of sympathy with the position that you find yourself in.Next I and the band have been working so hard for 6 years to get out of the 4th section and this year we were so close but with our 17th place like whitwells 21st and dronfields 22nd we are all now here for 2 years if we dont win the nationals next year.
What I am trying to say is the 4th section in the Midlands is just so hard to get out of.
We had 2 in the box, but the only thing they seemed to be interested in was how loud the performance was, and unfortunetly when you have 2 people so obsessed with one criteria and not even listening (sorry just how it seems) to the rest of the performance, you can't win. Saying that though I think to contest day could have been shortened as we only needed to play the first 45 bars and they would have made their decision as to if it was going to be too loud and if it had dynamic range.We accept that a judge has his own criteria and that it is a thankless task to put the bands in perfect order. It may well be that the first 3 maybe 4 bands can be fairly straight forward but after that and the water gets very muddy! Personally I would love to see 2 adjudicators. Still may not be perfect though.
This is really getting tedious now - so you didn't get a good result - we get it.We had 2 in the box, but the only thing they seemed to be interested in was how loud the performance was, and unfortunetly when you have 2 people so obsessed with one criteria and not even listening (sorry just how it seems) to the rest of the performance, you can't win.
One band getting that comment, maybe, 3 or 4 previously well placed bands getting it so wrong on the day?This is really getting tedious now - so you didn't get a good result - we get it.
Could it be that the volume these bands played at meant that the adjudicators couldn't pick out the detail the band was playing? Certainly from what has been put on here from neutral observers (and also what I've heard from other neutral people who were at the contest) - that might well have been the case.
Firstly many congratulations it was nice to see you qualify for london.Huge congratulations to Sovereign Brass :clap:following what was a great result and performance on Sunday against the odds. I know they are too modest to say but the catastrophie surrounding the new registration rules left them short of a number of key players. Under the direction of the genius that is the Major the band pulled a great performance out of the bag almost making it to London. No band would have been more deserving given the difficulties. Well done one and all:tup
And whilst we are on the subject what numpty changed the rules? I hope you are proud of yourself/selves - isn't it hard enough putting a band out in the current climate? What are you trying to do cripple the banding movement - Numpty thinking (and Numpty isn't a compliment). You have the right to reply just as I have the right to critcise one of the worst decisions ever to be forced on bands.