I doubt it's the standard of players. Experienced 2nd section players would do fine in L&SC Champ Section, so it must be to do with numbers. In either case it's still sad news and hopefully Clacton will be back.
Just to clarify Mr Elvis - my comments about Desford were not aimed at all at Clacton (or Desford), but rather at Mr fixer in reference to his beef about ringers, and by point that it's difficult to define a regular member vs dep. Perhaps that argument should be confined to the NW area thread where it started? My comments re second section players being up to it were qualified I believe by the fact that I said 'experienced second section players' - meaning of course the better ones, which I think is fair. I'd actually not considered the demands of the piece, but rather the section as a whole.
Loads of good players hang around in lower section bands. There's nothing magic about the skills required to play in the championship section - I'd take a technically somewhat limited but keen and focussed player over a whizzkid with a bad attitude any day of the week. No-one's a "championship section player" until they've played in the championship section - we all come from somewhere else.
Pinch? That along with poach is a rather outdated and unPC term. I think the term we use to describe such circumstances these days is to say that a player is 'percolating upwards through the ranks'No worries - just in case anyone else gets upset, I should also make it clear that I don't expect the 2nd section bands in your area to put out the welcome mat if you wanted to pinch their best blowers!
I thought that myself and wikipedia says percolating is filtering downwards, but no in a brass band context, players can percolate upwards.I honestly don't think I've ever heard that. Surely percolating would be a downwards action? I only have my coffee maker for reference.
You are right about Desford's approach, I understand that that's how they work these days. However, they don't just buy in players for a contest so they're not deps and ringers. It's just my opinion not sour grapes. I don't like bands who 'buy in' lots of players just so that they can go to a contest., hopefully walk off with a cup, maintain their status, then sink back to the usual 16 players who will probably, as others have already pointed out, start to drift away or question why they are not being paid. I do however, applaud the number of music students who grace the ranks of the brass band world, and I have no argument with paying them expenses. I know what student finances are like from personal experience.This 'true representation' thing is very subjective though, and to be honest I think you are picking a definition which suits your own argument. I think I'm right in saying Desford band have for some time run as a collective of (top class) players that just convene shortly prior to major contests with minimal rehearsal. Presumably you would think this is unfair as they constitute a band of deps/ringers, and are unrepresentative of brass playing in their rehearsal location? I don't think they are unfair myself, but rather have responded in a pragmatic way to maintaining their status as a top band and continuing to perform at the highest level. I'm also assuming you are not bothered by Desford as they are not competing in your section, in your area - that's why I think your point is petty and in the main just sour grapes.