Is the writing on the wall for Labour?
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Naomi McFadyen
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Kinda glad Labour have lost some seats, but I did vote for them in the general elections 3 years ago (whenever it was... I was 18)... Oopps.
Don't want Tories getting back into power again... would rather see Liberals have a go... they talk a lot of sense... although, dont they all when they want the power?! :lol:
OK, I'm gonna sod politics for now... I care, but I dont... :?
Mmmmmmmmmm
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Don't want Tories getting back into power again... would rather see Liberals have a go... they talk a lot of sense... although, dont they all when they want the power?! :lol:
OK, I'm gonna sod politics for now... I care, but I dont... :?
Mmmmmmmmmm
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MoominDave
Well-Known Member
Local elections and National elections often don't match very well in results - William Hague and the Tory party 'won' the last local election by not much less than the Tories won the recent one.
We need a rotation of power - the two-term maximum is one thing the Americans have right; think when Maggie Thatcher lost her popularity. A chance for the Lib Dems at national level would be a refreshing change, but a term for the Tories would be far better for the country than another 5 years under Labour. It doesn't matter what their philosophical position is (it's not as if their policies are particularly different to Labour's, anyway), but it makes a country stagnate in some ways to have the same leadership for too long.
We need a rotation of power - the two-term maximum is one thing the Americans have right; think when Maggie Thatcher lost her popularity. A chance for the Lib Dems at national level would be a refreshing change, but a term for the Tories would be far better for the country than another 5 years under Labour. It doesn't matter what their philosophical position is (it's not as if their policies are particularly different to Labour's, anyway), but it makes a country stagnate in some ways to have the same leadership for too long.
Dave Euph
Member
Lib Dems certainly to me are the most creditable party around at the moment, but the country still seems to adopt a "Oh, they'll never get in, there's no point voting for them ..."
... is it time to seriously think (for Labour voters) about ditching Labour and voting Lib Dem? Of course, this could all horribly backfire and the next thing we know the Tories are in.
The Tories to me have proposed many parliamentary bills which seem attractive in the short term but disastrous in the long-term ... and they just don't to me seem to have the county's major interests at heart.
A lot of people don't realise that under Labour's rule, a lot of progress has been made ... particularly to the dreadful public services which are improving (steadily). Unfortunately, the fact that they have failed to deliver everything they promised and a couple of misguided decisions (ie. War on Iraq) have overshadowed this.
... is it time to seriously think (for Labour voters) about ditching Labour and voting Lib Dem? Of course, this could all horribly backfire and the next thing we know the Tories are in.
The Tories to me have proposed many parliamentary bills which seem attractive in the short term but disastrous in the long-term ... and they just don't to me seem to have the county's major interests at heart.
A lot of people don't realise that under Labour's rule, a lot of progress has been made ... particularly to the dreadful public services which are improving (steadily). Unfortunately, the fact that they have failed to deliver everything they promised and a couple of misguided decisions (ie. War on Iraq) have overshadowed this.
Okiedokie of Oz
Active Member
Labourr in australia is considering recruiting either a former rock star or a controversial lesbian doctor.........hmmmmmm
Show me one promise the Labour party have acheived since they took power?
The first term was spent rolling out the same old statement "inherited from the previous administration" as an excuse for not doing anything and their second term has been a complete disaster. Not withstanding the apparent lies they told to justify taking us to war, at the back end of last year we seemed only weeks away from another winter of discontent (No prizes for guessing who caused the last one.)
The cold fact is, and no-one can honestly deny it, is that for two budgets after Labour took power Gordon Brown could do nothing to improve the situation because it was as good as it could have been. The last Conservative government were voted out by a public all too willing to believe everything they read in the papers. Apparent sleaze cost the tories their last term in office, not their performance at running the country. And the latest figures of unemployment, inflation etc still aren't as low as they were before Labour took power.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a committed tory voter, I honestly don't know which way to vote for the best at the mo, but this tory bashing attitude the country has adopted just annoys me.
New Labour?? Don't make me laugh...same old lefties adopting near tory policy (i.e. willing to go against everything the labour party originally stood for) just to get in to power.
And the only decent one (as it turns out) amongst the labout rank and file left them cos he could see what liars they are. Well done Robin Cooke for having the courage of your convictions, pity Claire Short didn't have as many scruples!!!
The first term was spent rolling out the same old statement "inherited from the previous administration" as an excuse for not doing anything and their second term has been a complete disaster. Not withstanding the apparent lies they told to justify taking us to war, at the back end of last year we seemed only weeks away from another winter of discontent (No prizes for guessing who caused the last one.)
The cold fact is, and no-one can honestly deny it, is that for two budgets after Labour took power Gordon Brown could do nothing to improve the situation because it was as good as it could have been. The last Conservative government were voted out by a public all too willing to believe everything they read in the papers. Apparent sleaze cost the tories their last term in office, not their performance at running the country. And the latest figures of unemployment, inflation etc still aren't as low as they were before Labour took power.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a committed tory voter, I honestly don't know which way to vote for the best at the mo, but this tory bashing attitude the country has adopted just annoys me.
New Labour?? Don't make me laugh...same old lefties adopting near tory policy (i.e. willing to go against everything the labour party originally stood for) just to get in to power.
And the only decent one (as it turns out) amongst the labout rank and file left them cos he could see what liars they are. Well done Robin Cooke for having the courage of your convictions, pity Claire Short didn't have as many scruples!!!
Whether or not there have been any real achievements under the present administration, I think most of us are absolutely cheesed of by the constant "spin" they try to put on anything.
Oh for an honest political party, ready to admit straight away when they get it wrong, instead of denying everything until there is incontrovertible proof :shock:
Oh for an honest political party, ready to admit straight away when they get it wrong, instead of denying everything until there is incontrovertible proof :shock:
bruceg
Active Member
MoominDave said:
The two term maximum doesn't mean that the other side have to get in, it only means that the President can occupy the Whitehouse for a maximum of two terms (consecutive or split). The Repbulicans had three terms (2x Reagan + 1x Bush Sr) prior to Clinton's double term.
Labour's spin is putting me off them big time but I still can't see me voting for the Tories. As for the Lib Dems... what exactly do they stand for???
bruceg said:
anything the others don't i think!
Dave Payn
Active Member
I've been 'apolitical' for some time now, but the message was clear after the local elections. Labour suffered big time probably as a result of the Iraq war and whilst the coalition is in occupation there, the lost voters aren't going to go back. Personally, I hate the word 'spin' as it's just a less damaging word for 'lies' which is what spin really is. Tories are pretty unelectable at present, however. Time maybe for the Lib-dems to really start raising their profile big time? They'll never have a better opportunity.
ScrapingtheBottom
Active Member
We should have some proper politics - vote Socialist Alliance and we can get some Trotskyism in here, that should shake up things a bit (and significantly increase the number of large concrete statues in our cities).
Spanky Rear
Member
Just before his death Screaming Lord Sutch was reminiscing. He regretted that he had never learned to play the Soprano cornet.So he died with his political and musical ambitions unfulfilled. How we could do with him now!?
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tubafran
Active Member
Why do we vote
Just a thought on the recent election results - Labour get 26% of the vote so they didn't get 74%. That's loads of people making either a positive vote for someone else or an anti-government vote.
Then we get the various Ministers and government spokespeople explaining that it was not that bad really if you compare it with some similar "mid-term" votes in the past, then the other reasons were anti-war vote or even that people were voting on local issues.
My question is - if in a democracy where we get to express our views by voting once every 3 to 5 years why do these people not listen to what we actual say when we vote? - Does our vote count for nothing except at a General Election when one or other of the parties gets to take control?
Just a thought on the recent election results - Labour get 26% of the vote so they didn't get 74%. That's loads of people making either a positive vote for someone else or an anti-government vote.
Then we get the various Ministers and government spokespeople explaining that it was not that bad really if you compare it with some similar "mid-term" votes in the past, then the other reasons were anti-war vote or even that people were voting on local issues.
My question is - if in a democracy where we get to express our views by voting once every 3 to 5 years why do these people not listen to what we actual say when we vote? - Does our vote count for nothing except at a General Election when one or other of the parties gets to take control?