Improving sight reading

User24891

New Member
Hey Folks!
So I've come to the conclusion that to improve ones sight reading one must be constantly presented with different & various music.
Other than band music (which as 3rd cornet is not all that mellifluous and consistent) and working through exercise books such as Arban i'd really like a book that contains pieces, tunes, music, songs. You get the idea.
Alot if the tunes in the back of arban are quite difficult for me atm but I do work on them also.
I find playing actual music is more enjoyable for me and the obligatory istenin (the mrs).
Other than 'a tune a day' & 'team brass' from my school days I dont know of any other books and unless I can see the music written Iits tricky to get an idea of the difficulty of the music.
Any recommendations most welcome please!
 

James Yelland

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One book I'd recommend is "Progressive Studies for Trumpet and other treble clef brass instruments" by John Miller. There are thirty studies, each focussing on specific aspects of technique, and which also provide a gentle introduction to a wide range of 20th century musical styles (from Mahler to Maxwell Davies). All the studies are fun to play, and they become more challenging as you work your way through the book.

I just glanced at Ebay and notice that there are at least two copies for sale at this moment, one for only £2.25!

One other I'd recommend is 20 Dances for Euphonium, written by Allen Vizzuti and edited by Steven Mead. All are great fun to play and there's no reason why they can't be played on cornet.

There's lots of other similar books of course. Try looking at the range offered by the International Music Company.
 

User24891

New Member
One book I'd recommend is "Progressive Studies for Trumpet and other treble clef brass instruments" by John Miller. There are thirty studies, each focussing on specific aspects of technique, and which also provide a gentle introduction to a wide range of 20th century musical styles (from Mahler to Maxwell Davies). All the studies are fun to play, and they become more challenging as you work your way through the book.

I just glanced at Ebay and notice that there are at least two copies for sale at this moment, one for only £2.25!

There's lots of other similar books of course. Try looking at the range offered by the International Music Company.
Thanks James! I'll pick me up some copies.
 

pbirch

Active Member
Hey Folks!
So I've come to the conclusion that to improve ones sight reading one must be constantly presented with different & various music.
Other than band music (which as 3rd cornet is not all that mellifluous and consistent) and working through exercise books such as Arban i'd really like a book that contains pieces, tunes, music, songs. You get the idea.
Alot if the tunes in the back of arban are quite difficult for me atm but I do work on them also.
I find playing actual music is more enjoyable for me and the obligatory istenin (the mrs).
Other than 'a tune a day' & 'team brass' from my school days I dont know of any other books and unless I can see the music written Iits tricky to get an idea of the difficulty of the music.
Any recommendations most welcome please!
Sight reading is simply playing something for the first time- good sight reading is to be able to play it well, observing tempo, key, rhythm and dynamics. It means developing observational skills and confidence in playing, and speedy preparation. The more you do it the better you get at it and it takes time. Playing the music you have in a different key will also help you.
As for the Arban, there is some interesting and challenging music in the first 50 pages if you look for it (and you will struggle with the last 50 pages if you haven’t done the first).
 

davidsait

Member
Hey Folks!
So I've come to the conclusion that to improve ones sight reading one must be constantly presented with different & various music.
Other than band music (which as 3rd cornet is not all that mellifluous and consistent) and working through exercise books such as Arban i'd really like a book that contains pieces, tunes, music, songs. You get the idea.
Alot if the tunes in the back of arban are quite difficult for me atm but I do work on them also.
I find playing actual music is more enjoyable for me and the obligatory istenin (the mrs).
Other than 'a tune a day' & 'team brass' from my school days I dont know of any other books and unless I can see the music written Iits tricky to get an idea of the difficulty of the music.
Any recommendations most welcome please!
Don't forget to dep for as many bands as you can :)
 

John Morton

Member
You're dead right, Paul. In fact, the best sight-readers I ever encountered were the ragged assed little trios and quartets backing cabaret artists. They not only had to endure some pretty crappy parts but they were adept at faking over any slips they made. Of course, a session musician needs to be a good reader and there is a skill in sight-reading something and making it sound as if you've played it all your life but any FOOL can read music. The clever musicians are those who can take their instrument out of its case and...just....PLAY. I was once on a gig and it was an elderly lady's birthday. The band had lost my arrangement and for a while, it looked as though she might be disappointed. 'Oh for Heaven's sake' I thought and I walked over and busked happy birthday. I'm a trombonist, but I was on baritone horn, which I'd only been playing for two years. If you can't pick up your instrument and do that, YOU'RE NOT A MUSICIAN, you're just another brass band robot. Not only this, but playing by ear will improve your interpretation of written parts because you won't be a total slave to the dots. Brass bands have come a long way since the bad old days but their phrasing of swing and jazz still has a looooong way to go. Rehearsals have a normalizing effect, anyway. After three run-throughs, the difference in reading ability will have largely vanished.
 

marc71178

Member
You're dead right, Paul. In fact, the best sight-readers I ever encountered were the ragged assed little trios and quartets backing cabaret artists. They not only had to endure some pretty crappy parts but they were adept at faking over any slips they made. Of course, a session musician needs to be a good reader and there is a skill in sight-reading something and making it sound as if you've played it all your life but any FOOL can read music. The clever musicians are those who can take their instrument out of its case and...just....PLAY. I was once on a gig and it was an elderly lady's birthday. The band had lost my arrangement and for a while, it looked as though she might be disappointed. 'Oh for Heaven's sake' I thought and I walked over and busked happy birthday. I'm a trombonist, but I was on baritone horn, which I'd only been playing for two years. If you can't pick up your instrument and do that, YOU'RE NOT A MUSICIAN, you're just another brass band robot. Not only this, but playing by ear will improve your interpretation of written parts because you won't be a total slave to the dots. Brass bands have come a long way since the bad old days but their phrasing of swing and jazz still has a looooong way to go. Rehearsals have a normalizing effect, anyway. After three run-throughs, the difference in reading ability will have largely vanished.
Do you want to be a bit more condescending and rude? Deciding that anyone who can’t play a piece without music isn’t a musician is extremely offensive.
 

2nd tenor

Well-Known Member
Do you want to be a bit more condescending and rude? Deciding that anyone who can’t play a piece without music isn’t a musician is extremely offensive.

Well it does come across a bit strong but on the other hand he’s not wrong. I love playing but if I were a professional, or of that level, then I’d have to be able to just play anything by ear. Maybe there are Musicians and musicians, I’m happy enough to muddle along but if I were a proper Musician, a professional, then I’d have to be many times the player that I am.

To be honest it’s really not worth getting concerned about, I play for my pleasure and as an amateur musician of sorts.
 

Hsop

Active Member
The photograph of John Morton that is in the link that I provided is the same photograph as here on TMP and also the same as your link to Amazon.

It would be reasonable to suggest that it's the same person with the same background and history.

Maybe @JohnMorton can clarify himself whether he is able to read music or not . . .
 

2nd tenor

Well-Known Member
The photograph of John Morton that is in the link that I provided is the same photograph as here on TMP and also the same as your link to Amazon.

It would be reasonable to suggest that it's the same person with the same background and history.

Maybe @JohnMorton can clarify himself whether he is able to read music or not . . .

It’s true that the photo is the same, to see the photo in the linked article one has to right scroll down the page well beyond where the text ends ... It’s not unheard of for incorrect photos to be published so they may well be different people. (The JM in the linked article is an Electric Bass Guitarist who lives in Bristol whereas ‘our’ JM lives in the West Midlands.)

Let’s just move on with the purpose of the original post. I’m not too fussed but if John later clarifies things then that would be helpful.
 
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trumpetb

Member
I am going to jump to the defence of John Morton.

I did not consider his post either condescending or rude just speaking frankly about musicianship.

Being a good musician and having good musicianship are I suspect two very different things.

We are a large family we musicians and I respect immensely those musicians who can read sadly I cannot read however I can and do entertain.

Reading can be a hurdle I recall meeting a musician who told me that he had a long and competent career busking and had no ability to read at all. One day he had had enough and learned to read. He explained to me that learning to read destroyed his ability to improvise and busk. I assume he was being truthful I had no chance to verify it as it was a chance meeting.

I have also seen many band members who claim to be unable to play anything without reading it.

I suspect that the confidence that reading gives can easily become a crutch that hampers.

And no I am not being either condescending or rude.

Those of us who cannot read I can assure you have the greatest respect for those who can but it has to be said that there are some musicians who read and seem to have little feeling for the music and play somewhat robotically. As there are many players who cannot read and who play pathetically with no musicality or musicianship.

Sometimes we have to face our own shortcomings and I have many of those.

Respect to all
 

Jack E

Well-Known Member
My thoughts on this topic - and I would stress that these are purely personal opinions.
My Irish father was a self-taught pianist, who (like many traditional Irish musicians) couldn't read a note of music, but he played very expressively, and with a real feeling for every piece he played.
When I started on baritone horn, I very much doubt that I could have made any significant progress at the start, without having the sheet music - but would the same be true for everyone else? I very much doubt it! People's characters vary tremendously, and we all have our own ways of learning - there ain't no such thing as 'one-size-fits-all'.

I suspect that the confidence that reading gives can easily become a crutch that hampers.

I'm sure that's true, and I'm sure there are some musicians who progress to the point of being able to translate 'that black splodge on the sheet' into 'set my embouchure this way and press these valves' - and never go any further.

But if that makes them happy, why should I look down on them? I've been riding and working with horses for over 50 years, and the highest fence I've ever jumped was about 2 feet high - and I really had to psych myself up to do that! But I'm good enough that the yard boss of the stables I ride at has chosen me to help her train up a young horse who will (in about 5 years) probably be the best teaching horse on the yard. Am I happy with that implicit praise of my ability? Damn right, I am! And if other riders see me as a wimp because I won't jump, that's their problem.

To continue with Blowhard's analogy; you might need crutches to get about if you break your ankle - but that doesn't mean you have to keep using crutches once the bones have healed. What happened for me was this. There was a certain piece I was playing with the band, and the last two bars gave me endless problems. No matter how many times I practised them, I always got in a muddle. One evening, we were playing that piece, got to the last two bars, and when my (hyper-active) conscious mind froze, my sub-conscious mind said "Hold my beer, will ya" - and nailed it! (and spooked the Hell out of me!) How did it happen? What I worked out was that I stopped looking at the sheet music, listened to the sound of the tune playing in my head - and short-circuited the process by jumping direct from that virtual sound to the played sound, without reference to the black dots at all.

Even though I still play almost entirely from sheet music, I find that short-circuiting process happening more and more frequently (on clarinet, too). Which brings me onto a bit of a side issue - what's usually termed 'muscle memory'. According to a number of videos posted by a banjo player who is a medical professional specialising in neuro-science, there's no such thing; he is adamant that muscles have zero memory. So how is it that, after a while, when I'm in my car and want to go backwards, I don't have to consciously think "move the gear lever to the extreme right and pull backwards"? Why does it happen without any conscious thought? Because, neuro-science man says, our brains can and do re-programme themselves.

He describes it like this; suppose you have a very minor country road, with many sharp corners, and awkward junctions - but then traffic starts to increase significantly. The highways people are pushed into road improvements; widening out the narrow bits, straightening out the sharp bends changing awkward into roundabouts, and so on - so that a journey which used to take half an hour now takes 20 minutes. But the traffic carries on increasing - so the road is changed to a dual carriageway, with roundabouts moved off to the side and connected by sliproads - and the journed time is down to about 10 minutes.

According to what he says, that's exactly what our brain (a very powerful computer) does when it finds that we're making a certain, fairly complex movement on a frequent basis (like putting our cars into reverse). So instead of having a string of computer commands slowing up the whole process, it creates a small sub-routine, with a nifty name like 'G=R", which can be executed so quickly that the overall operation of the conscious thinking is barely slowed at all. This self re-programming of the brain is also done by people born with cerebral palsy, and by people who suffer severe brain trauma, so that they alter some other part of their brain to do at least some tasks which the damaged part cannot do.

And I note that the same re-configuring for faster operation is done by people who use Morse code in radio work - to a point where (astonishingly!) they can listen to two Morse signals coming in simultaneously, and follow both as easily as we can listen to two people talking at the same time! One one occasion, when I was in the RAF, the radio station I worked out suffered a near total loss of traffic, due to a solar storm, and the only way we could send and receive was for a wireless operator using the full power of a 3.5kW transmitter - and his Morse key!

Most radio amateurs are content if they can operate at 15 - 20 words per minute, and consider faster than 20 WPM hot stuff. I sneaked up behind the wireless op with another mechanic to watch Derek sending, and (not wanting to put him off) whispered to the other mechanic "I didn't know it was even possible to send Morse that fast" - at which Derek turned round and, whilst still sending, said:
"Fast? It's only about 45 - 50WPM! At the end of my wireless op's course, I could send and read at 55WPM!"

I've learnt Morse (though nowhere near at that speed!), and the process is exactly the same as learning a tune - it's just all played on a single note, and you only have to learn dotted crotchets and quavers . . . but the BPM are something else :cool: (try looking on Youtube for high speed morse on a straight key, and you'll see what I mean).

With best regards,
Jack

MTA - it also strikes me to wonder; I can see a typical early jazz band working okay, with the players able to improvise, make up their own solos as they went along, and so on - but those bands (like modern jazz combos) only have one instrument of each type; i.e., one drummer, one sax, one trumpet, and so on. But what about a brass band which might have three trombones, eight or ten cornets, four basses, three baritones, a kit drummer, tuned percussion, tymps player? If they were all winging it, how could they possibly keep it from descending into a complete muddle - unless they had the sheet music to tie it all together?
 
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User24891

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Just for the record my main goal is to be a great improviser and have the skill to step in to a band and solo effortlessly.
About 75% of my practice is mental ie: no sheet music, just thinking of the key sig/chords/inversions.. etc.
But reading is important and can only help you providing the former i mentioned is not neglected.
Jaco pastorius couldn't read and he was "the greatest bass player that ever lived"
Although he did start yo learn to read later in his career.
I speak pretty good Welsh but I bet if I learnt to read the language it would raise my level.
Horses for courses though. Do what you like folks. its MUSIC! have fun! And try to touch people with your playing.
 

Jack E

Well-Known Member
Just for the record my main goal is to be a great improviser and have the skill to step in to a band and solo effortlessly.
About 75% of my practice is mental ie: no sheet music, just thinking of the key sig/chords/inversions.. etc.
But reading is important and can only help you providing the former i mentioned is not neglected.
Jaco pastorius couldn't read and he was "the greatest bass player that ever lived"
Although he did start yo learn to read later in his career.
I speak pretty good Welsh but I bet if I learnt to read the language it would raise my level.
Horses for courses though. Do what you like folks. its MUSIC! have fun! And try to touch people with your playing.
Thanks for kicking off this thread, Paul - there's some thought-provoking stuff come out of it ?
With best regards,
Jack
 
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