Best Bass Trombone Player!!!!

JonP

Member
Maybe Jon P has a point to his thread.......!!!! ;)

Absofruitly, i think i definatly have!

For the record, John Ingman is a great player, no question. I really enjoy working with him.

Who are YOU to make coments like that basstromboneboy??

Where are the Mods when you actually need them to intervene!!
 

JonP

Member
Poor fella....I wouldnt mind, but one of the people who seem so keen to admonish you is forever banging on about people being over sensitive and being allowed to voice opinion...
If you prefer the Bass bone at grimethorpe then so be it!!! ;)


No need to be quite so rude though is there?? Opinion is great and should be incouraged but that was almost an insult. Infact it was!!
 

Mujician

Member
There may be cracking Bass bone players in Orchestras but brass band bass bonists in the top bands ultimately have the bigger role and are best recognized. Most of the bass trom players mentioned i'm sure have played in some of the best orchestras anyway
I have to disagree. I doubt that brass band bass trombones have played or could really hold their own in a top professional orchestra. The other way around yes, and maybe the pros started in brass bands, but if they were good enough - why aren't they playing int eh orchestras. Why is it the likes of adrian morris, paul millner that are in the orchestras. I honestly don't know any bass trombone names from brass bands. I think its a bit silly to try and think up the best bass trombone player excluding other areas of playing. The best by far (before he stopped) was Bob (LSO), Ben Van Dijk is silky! Camilla is a fox and a monster player. then right at the bottom of the list is me! (I had a **** teacher and I'm slowly getting better!) Just ny thoughts - please don't flame me! Ben
 

boneman0970

Member
This is quite a hard question to answer...
There's a few I would like to mention. Andy Snell, ex Grimethorpe and now is living in higher climates, this man was awesome in all registers!!
Paul Warder great all round player( even though he did buy my Edwards from me)
Benny Morris,Frosty,Garreth Beckwith,Adrian Hirst, Gerraint Griffiths..the list is endless!!
The North East used to have a class Bass Trombone player who used to play for Ever Ready many moons ago, Ian Gray( not sure surname is correct) you knew when this man was in the hall!!
Now we have ayounger generation out there doing a grand job you've got Simon Minshall who's talent is emense, and that young lad from YBS Garreth Sykes still lives in the North East and can face melt with the best of them!!
 

Bass Trumpet

Active Member
There may be cracking Bass bone players in Orchestras but brass band bass bonists in the top bands ultimately have the bigger role and are best recognized. Most of the bass trom players mentioned i'm sure have played in some of the best orchestras anyway

Reality check required, I think ;)

Best recognised, I assume, means best recognised in the small world of brass bands! I agree that some band players would be able to play in orchestras, but it is a different dicipline entirely. A lot of bands require the bass trom to act as a sort-of 5th tuba, where it works very well. Players who specialise in this would not necessarily be very proficient in the finer detail of orchestral playing. Most of the standard orchestral rep doesn't even require a Bb/F trombone, so the bass trom has to blend more with the tenors, horns and trumpets rather than the tuba (which didn't exist until relatively recently).

I'm not for one second belittling many fine band players, but I think very few could master the very different demands of orchestral playing, and those who can, have already made the move into the profession.

Sorry if the above sounds a little obtuse. It's a discussion after all, but I really do think that to discuss fine bass trombonists, we must look further than the ends of our noses!

Some of the finest players on the scene at the moment have all at some point played in bands, but have studied music and moved on. For my money, Dave Stewart is probably about the best out there, with Dave Vines, Pat Jackman, Darren Smith, Paul Lambert also among the best. I haven't heard Mark Frost, so can't comment. I have heard on good authority he's a great player, but I suppose he doesn't do much band playing anymore either as he's doing the West End shows.
 

Bones

Member
I agree with some respect to what Ben (Mujician) has said. SOmetimes it is difficult to pigeon hole players when saying who is the best. All top players have a quirk of their playing which stands out the most. For my money I have sat next to some great players and my comments are my opinion.

In Banding.

Geraint Griffiths is my personal fave. He has a purring sound, and can turn on the power when he needs to. Good tour room mate as well.

John Ingman. For me has a lighter approach to his playing, and an excellent technique.

Adrian Hirst. Solid and dependable player. Look how long he has been at Dyke

SImon Minshall (FOdens). Watch this space, he'll be there.

Gaz Sykes (YBS). Sheer power of the man.

Kev Wilson (Leyland). Stamina and rock solid on stage.

Others.

Frosty. The daddy for me. Nothing he cant do on it.

Lyndon Meredith. PLays with Desford when rochestral commitments allow. Blistering technique

Darren Smith. Ex forces now pro and with Syd Lawrence. I've known Darren since we were 12 and in the music centr band in Derbyshire. He had an amazing technique then. His dad was no slouch on trom as well, he taught me how to play. (No comments please on my **** technique :))

David Pearce. Can make the transition from Tenor to Bass easily, not many players do that successfully. PLays with the Nick Ross Orchestra and gigs all over Europe

Christian Jones. Bass Trom at the BBC NOW before he finished college, superb.....

Just my observations, but there are also some unsung heroes in my opinion who spend their life in not so famous bands, and still amaze me with their talent. Players like Phil Spencer (CMFC), Richard Bond (Hatfield), Bob Craddock (Thoresby) and RIchard Dixon (ex Rhodian) are all worthy of a listen.

I am biased cos a lot of the guys above I count as friends. But you tell me where you can get more pleasure than spending time with friends, playing wellas a section and having a few pints after a job well done. Life doesn't get much better :)

Rich
 

leisa

Active Member
No need to be quite so rude though is there?? Opinion is great and should be incouraged but that was almost an insult. Infact it was!!


I am beginning to see your point too...

I am guessing Towes12345 or whatever, you were referring to me on your over sensitive comment. In this situation I don't believe I was being over sensitive. I wasn't the first person to state it and i certainly wasn't having a whinge about it, or throwing my dummy out of my pram like some people on this site do...but as many people have now pointed out the first 3 (?) words bass trombone boy used were unnecessary I think even he understands that :rolleyes: ! Anyway I think he gets it now.
 

sibeck

New Member
Just my observations, but there are also some unsung heroes in my opinion who spend their life in not so famous bands, and still amaze me with their talent. Players like Phil Spencer (CMFC), Richard Bond (Hatfield), Bob Craddock (Thoresby) and RIchard Dixon (ex Rhodian) are all worthy of a listen.

Have to agree about unsung heroes, Richard Bond, fantastic sound!

What about Andrew Snell?
 

leisa

Active Member
Geraint Griffiths is my personal fave. He has a purring sound, and can turn on the power when he needs to. Good tour room mate as well.

John Ingman. For me has a lighter approach to his playing, and an excellent technique.

Rich

Gerraint vs John drinking is quite amusing Gerraint can drink and drink and never get drunk its amazing! Whereas John...well...:guiness....:metal:
 

Bones

Member
Just my observations, but there are also some unsung heroes in my opinion who spend their life in not so famous bands, and still amaze me with their talent. Players like Phil Spencer (CMFC), Richard Bond (Hatfield), Bob Craddock (Thoresby) and RIchard Dixon (ex Rhodian) are all worthy of a listen.

Have to agree about unsung heroes, Richard Bond, fantastic sound!

What about Andrew Snell?

I agree, Andy is a class player and has been there and done it with Grimethorpe. Another one to consider is Toby Bannan. Shame he doesn't play regularly now....
 

Bass Trumpet

Active Member
Christian Jones. Bass Trom at the BBC NOW before he finished college, superb.....

Totally forgot about Christian, oops! I shouldn't considering I've been sat next to him on more than a few occasions over the past few months! If it's possible, I'd say Christian is a better player now than when he started at the BBCNOW. Sitting in a section with Byron Fulcher always brings everybody's playing up! Christian is such a great laugh on tour, too!
 
On Whit Friday there must be at least 6 or 7 best Soprano prizes to be won , nearly every contest has a best cornet prize , quite a few have best Euphonium prize but no-one out of about 20 odd contests has a best Bass Trombone prize ?

The Bass Trombone adds a massive amount to a contest march ( and test pieces as well ) but non of these guys ( or girls ) ever come home with a trophy to their name !

Speaking as a Sop player who (without being bigheaded has won the odd individual award ) cant understand why no contests whatsoever dont have a best Bass Trombone player ?

Maybe we might see one soon ?
It might be cos they never hear one !:wink:
 

towse1972

Active Member
I am beginning to see your point too...

I am guessing Towes12345 or whatever, you were referring to me on your over sensitive comment. In this situation I don't believe I was being over sensitive. I wasn't the first person to state it and i certainly wasn't having a whinge about it, or throwing my dummy out of my pram like some people on this site do...but as many people have now pointed out the first 3 (?) words bass trombone boy used were unnecessary I think even he understands that :rolleyes: ! Anyway I think he gets it now.
Ooooohhh....Aren't we sensitive! ;)
 

ROBTHEDOG

Member
I agree with some respect to what Ben (Mujician) has said. SOmetimes it is difficult to pigeon hole players when saying who is the best. All top players have a quirk of their playing which stands out the most. For my money I have sat next to some great players and my comments are my opinion.

In Banding.

Geraint Griffiths is my personal fave. He has a purring sound, and can turn on the power when he needs to. Good tour room mate as well.

John Ingman. For me has a lighter approach to his playing, and an excellent technique.

Adrian Hirst. Solid and dependable player. Look how long he has been at Dyke

SImon Minshall (FOdens). Watch this space, he'll be there.

Gaz Sykes (YBS). Sheer power of the man.

Kev Wilson (Leyland). Stamina and rock solid on stage.

Others.

Frosty. The daddy for me. Nothing he cant do on it.

Lyndon Meredith. PLays with Desford when rochestral commitments allow. Blistering technique

Darren Smith. Ex forces now pro and with Syd Lawrence. I've known Darren since we were 12 and in the music centr band in Derbyshire. He had an amazing technique then. His dad was no slouch on trom as well, he taught me how to play. (No comments please on my **** technique :))

David Pearce. Can make the transition from Tenor to Bass easily, not many players do that successfully. PLays with the Nick Ross Orchestra and gigs all over Europe

Christian Jones. Bass Trom at the BBC NOW before he finished college, superb.....

Just my observations, but there are also some unsung heroes in my opinion who spend their life in not so famous bands, and still amaze me with their talent. Players like Phil Spencer (CMFC), Richard Bond (Hatfield), Bob Craddock (Thoresby) and RIchard Dixon (ex Rhodian) are all worthy of a listen.

I am biased cos a lot of the guys above I count as friends. But you tell me where you can get more pleasure than spending time with friends, playing wellas a section and having a few pints after a job well done. Life doesn't get much better :)

Rich

Mr Walker ... Covered all bases there (or is that (BASSES) ---- someone mentioned earlier in the tread "Adrian Morris being Orchestral" YES now, but started at Telford (Abdabs) played at Kidderminster and occasionally J&C and Leyland as we know..

Agree with Lyndon M great..
Still holding his place in CBSO:- Alywyn Green
http://www.cbso.co.uk/?page=performers/players/alwynGreen.html

What about these for consideration.

Andy Fawbert ( Not bad on Euphonium also although I hear just hanging it up !!)
Paul Applegarth ??
Terry Tricker ??

BUT GOD has to be:-

George Roberts


TTFN
 
Considering he now conducts the band that i play with, i must say JIM CANT. He has definitely taught me a thing or two.

Other than Jim, i would have to say FROSTY!!!!!
 

Product tMP members are discussing

Top