Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser
Show me a good loser and I'll show you an idiot
Show me a good loser and I'll show you a man who's playing golf with his boss
jackyboy said::evil: Why are bandspeople such bad losers ?? Todays Crich contest provided some good band entertainment, but why do we get the old hat of "we were robbed.". Fair results were awarded i felt. Stop the moaners!
Baldeagle said:I get the feeling that some of the previous comments might have been aimed at my band . So here are the remarks from Roy Roe for Carlton Brass at this years Brass n Trams Open event.
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Not your band.... but maybe a player that has been associated with your band in the past, yes. (hey, I'm honest!) Then again, I could probably reel off a load of names that the above also applies to and none of them would be in relation to Carlton!
Just wanted to inform it was a general gripe about general banding and not an attack of any kind. I have even been in bands/seen bands where coming second was seen as a disappointment not an achievement as they were so confident and I think it is a shame. I have also seen and heard people calling their own players and blaming them for their bad result and people saying that another band rigged it/got ringers in/had a fluke. It just gets nasty and I think as a community as a whole we should support each other more... there are less bands around as it is nowadays.
Banding should be enjoyed first and foremost in my own opinion. Winning is the icing on the cake and should be enjoyed thoroughly when acheived!
Congrats for winning (dare I say again under the circumstances of this post? *grins*) and best of luck next weekend! If you could post the results on here it would be appreciated!
Di B said:Baldeagle said:I get the feeling that some of the previous comments might have been aimed at my band . So here are the remarks from Roy Roe for Carlton Brass at this years Brass n Trams Open event.
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Not your band.... but maybe a player that has been associated with your band in the past, yes. (hey, I'm honest!) Then again, I could probably reel off a load of names that the above also applies to and none of them would be in relation to Carlton!
Can't guess who you are on about di !!!!!!!
Certainly at leamington the quote" winning is getting boring" seems to have an air of arrogance about it. Fortunately the culprit has left the said band, but it did upset a fair few folk at the contest. Be good losers........ we have had plenty of practice! :twisted:
That reminded me of a letter I read recently on another well known Brass Band web site:Brian said:If you cannot accept the adjudicators decision "DON'T GO TO THE CONTEST"
The joys of Banding, eh!I write whilst my blood is still boiling about another naff result: Grand Shield 2002 - last place (the judges got it badly wrong). Area 2003 - last place (the judge got it badly wrong - this is a fact as the adjudication did not match our performance - it highlighted clear mistakes in the performance that weren't made by us. This is black and white and shouldn't happen so I can only presume that we were erroneously awarded last - but we have no right of appeal here)
Senior Cup 2003 - 8th place - condemned to at least one further year scatting around the lower reaches of top level banding...(oh yes - and the judges got it badly wrong) I can accept that a duff performance only deserves a duff result - our performance at Tameside a few weeks ago was very patchy - superbly and accurately summed up by Kevin Bolton in his remarks - and he gave us third place. No complaints... in fact can we clone him? It would certainly help to solve the problem.
Today Wingates played a superb performance from number 12 and I am extremely disappointed not to have won. There were a couple of clips - and so the door was left open, but to not even have gained promotion back to the Grand Shield when the performance easily deserved it is nothing less than sick. Have we upset someone? Is it a Masonic thing?
Congratulations to those bands who have qualified several of whom did give fine performances, but in placing us 8th the judges got it wrong - it's that simple.
Now are the judges entirely to blame? Possibly not... in the hall used for the Senior cup the box was off the the left of the band so the cornets were pointing straight at the box, the troms straight away... and the box itself looked sturdy enough to sail across the Atlantic in, 3 quarter inch ply wood - it must have excellent acoustic qualities (NOT!) What other form of music making competition imposes has such a crassly stupid system of judging?
Why do we travel thousands of miles every year to rehearsals to subject ourselves to this nonsense? Brass Band Contests are dying - and this is why. The question is do those who control decisions about things like this have the balls to do something about it? I think not - so nothing will change and the carcass of banding will continue to rot.
The future is open adjudication - if a judge cannot be truly impartial then he should not judge at all. Where there are multiple judges they should NOT be allowed to confer and should allocate rankings independently (as at Cambridge)
All I want to know, when I am slogging up and down the motorway to rehearsals, is to know that when we come to perform for real on the contest platform we will be dealt with fairly and evenly.
Frankly I don't care who I upset now - it's time to make waves to improve things for everyone. Is this sour grapes? Absolutely - and I make no apology for them because as I have said if we deserved the run of results we've had I would have no problem in accepting them. Get it sorted banding - time is running out!
My youth band have won at the Youth Nationals 5years (maybe more, dont quite know...) on the row, from 1997 - 2002 the A band won their section they entered, came top in 3different sections (4 if you include the name change). Then we had a year off, and the B Band entered and won this year.Di B said:One of my gripes are bands who are so full of themselves that they are bragging about winning even before they started to play! Have to admit, that if a band like this wins I cannot help but be a bad loser. I guess that cockniess and over confidence is not an attractive trait! I do think its a shame though.