Are young peoples opinions valid?

Sorry Jayne, that was a typo!!! (have changed it for you).

Didn't think we needed to be able to spell, wasn't part of the course requirements was it!?!

Hold on a sec, just realised that I'm listening to your opinion. Oh well guess you are older than me! :wink:
 
Oh thank you so much, I'll sleep much better tonight knowing you can spell my name.

Have we got full band on Thursday or is it being split for Atlantic? Go and look at the board for me!!!

Jayne
 

PeterBale

Moderator
Staff member
Dave Payn said:
Nope, I'm all for hearing younger persons' opinions. I'd love to meet the dork who told Trigger that he can't possibly know what he's talking about because of his age. In any case, for every alleged 'young know-it-all' there's an old fogey who can't see the wood for the trees and can't accept change because 'it's always been done like that'. The validity of an opinion isn't age related at all.

There are even some "old fogeys" who don't notice that the person they're talkig about is female
:!: :oops: :lol:
Trigger said:
I don't know if this has already been a topic, being only a Newbie, but I was once told by someone, whilst discussing various subjects to do with brass bands, that I should not give my opinion, because I am only twenty years old and therefore have not experienced enough to know what I'm talking about. In my defence, I said that although I was aware I had a lot to learn, I had been brought up in the brass band world literally since birth and had been playing for many years. And I felt that this experience had qualified me to give my opinion.

Do others feel that young peoples opinions aren't valid? (Just curious) :?

(Signature: Natasha, Dan's lil' sis)
 

akwarose

Active Member
speaking as a 16 year old, if i thought my opinion didnt count in my band becoz of my age i would leave. sometimes young people have refreshing and innovative ideas, that maybe an older person wouldnt have thought of. and seeings as the younger people are the next generation of banding, it is unwise to say young peoples opinions dont count.
I agree with respect your elders and all that, but at the end of the day, its a two way thing, and they should respect us as well.
 

Dave Payn

Active Member
PeterBale said:
Dave Payn said:
Nope, I'm all for hearing younger persons' opinions. I'd love to meet the dork who told Trigger that he can't possibly know what he's talking about because of his age. In any case, for every alleged 'young know-it-all' there's an old fogey who can't see the wood for the trees and can't accept change because 'it's always been done like that'. The validity of an opinion isn't age related at all.

There are even some "old fogeys" who don't notice that the person they're talkig about is female
:!: :oops: :lol:

Makes no odds to me whether they're male/female or neutered (!) ;-) It's what they have to say that counts.

Anyway, I'm getting towards old fogey (or 'old fart') stage... well, 'middle aged fogey, anwyay! ;-)
 

Dave Payn

Active Member
Dave Payn said:
PeterBale said:
Dave Payn said:
Nope, I'm all for hearing younger persons' opinions. I'd love to meet the dork who told Trigger that he can't possibly know what he's talking about because of his age. In any case, for every alleged 'young know-it-all' there's an old fogey who can't see the wood for the trees and can't accept change because 'it's always been done like that'. The validity of an opinion isn't age related at all.

There are even some "old fogeys" who don't notice that the person they're talkig about is female
:!: :oops: :lol:

Makes no odds to me whether they're male/female or neutered (!) ;-) It's what they have to say that counts.

Anyway, I'm getting towards old fogey (or 'old fart') stage... well, 'middle aged fogey, anwyay! ;-)


Though it was a very silly mistake to make all the same! Sorry, Trigger! :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
 

Trigger

Member
PeterBale said:
Dave Payn said:
Nope, I'm all for hearing younger persons' opinions. I'd love to meet the dork who told Trigger that he can't possibly know what he's talking about because of his age. In any case, for every alleged 'young know-it-all' there's an old fogey who can't see the wood for the trees and can't accept change because 'it's always been done like that'. The validity of an opinion isn't age related at all.

There are even some "old fogeys" who don't notice that the person they're talkig about is female
:!: :oops: :lol:
Trigger said:
I don't know if this has already been a topic, being only a Newbie, but I was once told by someone, whilst discussing various subjects to do with brass bands, that I should not give my opinion, because I am only twenty years old and therefore have not experienced enough to know what I'm talking about. In my defence, I said that although I was aware I had a lot to learn, I had been brought up in the brass band world literally since birth and had been playing for many years. And I felt that this experience had qualified me to give my opinion.

Do others feel that young peoples opinions aren't valid? (Just curious) :?

(Signature: Natasha, Dan's lil' sis)


Thanks for noticing that I am female. :oops: I thought the picture and the name at the bottom were a dead give away!! :lol: No mush-bird posts please!! As for meeting the dork that told me that, your not missing much. :lol:
 

Seedhouse

Active Member
I'm 16, and have been playing for just over 3 years.
However I find this irrelevant. As i'm very enthusiastic about my playing, i've come along way in a short amount of time.
I've spent a lot of time browsing the Internet, and reading books about techniques/ history of instruments and brass bands etc, and can give valued help and opinions when need be.
Yet i'm only 16, and I have come across many people who have disregarded my advice, although anyone could have told that I knew far more than they did about the topic.
I know that sounds incredibly arrogant and I apologise, but it's so b***y annoying when an older person who thinks they know more than you, just shrugs off your advice, and gives their own back to you!

(obviously that doesn't apply to the people who do know more than me!)

Groan over!
 

Vickitorious

Active Member
I agree!!!!

This is similar to a point made earlier this year about the possibility of a player being dropped because of their age. I don't think AGE should account for anything in a bandroom, it should be musical ability and experience that count.
 
Me being only 15, I think all opinions are valid. It's not like everybody has to listen to them, tho, cuz a lot of kids are pretty stoooopud :? . Meh. Freedom of Speech over here= say whatever ya want to, nobody can stop ya or tell you what to think :wink: .
 

deave

Member
NAS said:
Good to see you a few weeks ago in scuba mate! Think I will be spending a night in there on the 28th of Feb for my birthday! Make sure your free :D . Will tell Tim to let you know when things are more concrete.

Yeh mate, tell Timothy Micheal..i'll do mi best!
*click*good lad
 

Accidental

Supporting Member
Hi Tash! If "the dork" is who I think it is, I can't believe you listened to him anyway?!!!

I think one of the best things about tMP is that you usually don't know how old a person is, so you have to take their opinions at face value, and I think some of the "youngsters" talk a lot more sense than some older peeps who think they should know better! :wink:

I've never discounted someone's opinion because of their age, I'm much more likely to be influenced by their attitude. :)
 

BigHorn

Active Member
It would be very rude not to listen to anybody's opinion, no matter what their age, but let's not run away with ourselves here. Would you all be happy going to see a 16 year old doctor or vote for an 18 year old Prime Minister.
No matter how you look at it age does bring experience. What older people say is not necessarily right, but they are likely to have met similar experiences before hand and can lean on knowledge gained from the past.

Teenagers like to think they know it all - its an important part of growing up and essential to becoming an independent adult. This is why its usually 17 - 25 year olds on demonstrations. It doesn't matter about the subject its just the rebellion and the voicing of your opinion that matters.

I think it was Winston Churchill who said 'If you are not a socialist when you are young you have no heart. If you're still a socialist when you are old you have no brain.'

Of course young people can be just as intelligent (sometimes more intelligent) than their older peers. Their problem lies in admitting when they are wrong - they can't, its programmed into them.

I am not trying to insult you young un's. I was exactly the same when I was late teens/early twenties. Just a final thought - if you think you are so clever now, don't you think in 20 -30 years time you will have learned a bit more and be more clever? How will you then treat an opinionated teenager who is convinced he is right and who thinks anybody over 40 is senile.
 
i know that my opinions aren't always what everyone else think but i feel that they should still be considered coz after all, we ''young uns' are the ones who are goin to have to continue playing in these bands when everyone else goes (yea i know that wont be for a while)
 

Dave Payn

Active Member
Trigger said:
Sorry just read the last post- thanks, all is forgiven :D

I didn't take the trouble to look at the picture and I'm thoroughly ashamed of myself, Trig! Very embarrassing! :oops: :oops:
 

sparkling_quavers

Active Member
BigHorn said:
No matter how you look at it age does bring experience. What older people say is not necessarily right, but they are likely to have met similar experiences before hand and can lean on knowledge gained from the past.

I think age brings the chance for experience. Look at the scenario of young person leaving home late teens, maybe having children, having to set up a home, working their way through a career or someone that is very involved in alot of activities outside work versus someone still living with their parents aged 38 who doesn't really do much bah the same job they were doing at 17- who has had the more experience there? and if we convert the same scenario into banding one person involved with banding from a pre-school, brought up around it, involved in the committee, lots experience of playing (maybe at top level) and still only 19 versus an adult player who has more recently come into banding.

Teenagers like to think they know it all - its an important part of growing up and essential to becoming an independent adult. This is why its usually 17 - 25 year olds on demonstrations. It doesn't matter about the subject its just the rebellion and the voicing of your opinion that matters.

Yeah totally agree with this but the fact that they are passionate about band banding is surely a positive thing in itself!

I am not saying that some 18 year old bander can know everything (like can anybody). I know I am very different from being in my teens and there was certainly a change when I left uni and settled down a bit.
Infact to quote Geordiecolin (who I hadn't seen for a while since leaving Uni and saw at a band thing 'you're a proper person now...i mean...not like a student anymore' :roll: )

Since working in schools I have learnt that young people are alot more tactful when they feel their views and opinions are respected. The fact they are often dismissed without thought means that they get on their high-horse about things straight from the start.
 

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