2015 Area piece rumours??????

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Ianroberts

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Still awaiting the crock of *&^@ that the 3rd and 4th section will be forced to play, but the thread seems more concerned with the "Elite' Bands, as thinggy royal would say....... Elite my **** !
 
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Kilted-Cornet

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Is it harder?......Ive played PC on St Magnus and it was difficult. Have not played Spiriti, so will go with your judgement.
We played Spiriti and St Magnus at the Europeans a few years back and found St Magnus to be a little bit of light relief in comparison! Also, we ended up building our own mutes as we didn't have the budget to buy multiple for each section. Fun times! Would be interesting to re-visit it but I'm really hoping it hasn't been chosen.
 

stevetrom

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Still awaiting the crock of *&^@ that the 3rd and 4th section will be forced to play, but the thread seems more concerned with the "Elite' Bands, as thinggy royal would say....... Elite my **** !
I heard a rumour that it's new compositions for 3rd and 4th sections - still might be crock of *&^@ :)
 

tromguy3

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Torchbearer-champ
london overture-first

what a pity it's not a hard test piece this year. Really enjoyed going around some of the areas last year and seeing them and hearing so fab technique on show..and slow tunes too. I would imagine most bands will be able to play it and if not shuffle parts around like they couldn't really do in St Magnus...that's a pity....
 

Ianroberts

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And you know they will be, but people will still post about them being a good test, only the good ones will play it proper etc etc, de dah de dah de dah.
 

Rob

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Still awaiting the crock of *&^@ that the 3rd and 4th section will be forced to play, but the thread seems more concerned with the "Elite' Bands, as thinggy royal would say....... Elite my **** !
Why the vitriol towards top section bands, Ian?
 
Well well, it seems like it isn't going to be Spiriti - the rumours regarding Torchbearer are well and truly abound. Not sure how you could have got it so wrong Lee, what with your connections ;)
 

tromguy3

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Just thinking about pieces...correct me if I have this wrong..but..it does seem that the recent run of pieces selected are heavily in favour of the 1st euphonium player. Last years area pieces next years area piece, and I think, not sure positive, the championship section nationals piece too. Are the people on the panel conductors/members of bands? If so perhaps they it's have a fantastic euphonium player!!??
 

2nd tenor

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Just thinking about pieces...correct me if I have this wrong..but..it does seem that the recent run of pieces selected are heavily in favour of the 1st euphonium player. Last years area pieces next years area piece, and I think, not sure positive, the championship section nationals piece too. Are the people on the panel conductors/members of bands? If so perhaps they it's have a fantastic euphonium player!!??
I'm not a Euphonium player but think that they are fundimental to the quality of a band and therefore a good indicator. Doesn't everyone have a great Cornet section (so it might be hard to seperate bands) but what about the centre (pitch) of the band lead by the Solo Euphonium?
 

stevetrom

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I'm not a Euphonium player but think that they are fundimental to the quality of a band and therefore a good indicator. Doesn't everyone have a great Cornet section (so it might be hard to seperate bands) but what about the centre (pitch) of the band lead by the Solo Euphonium?
The principal Euphonium is one chair of 25 in a band, no more a good indicator than the solo baritone, 2nd horn, BBb bass or even (dare I say it) percussion.

A good test piece would challenge, and alolow to shine, every chair not just principals.

Personally, I tend to judge a test piece by my part (it's the only input I have), can I contribute/make a difference?

I know I'll always be heard ! :)
 

tromguy3

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I understand what you're saying..but. Let's say band A play fab all the way through but 1st Euph cadenza or solo is very poorly played..band B plays the same all the way through but cadenza etc is fab..then the soloist would be pivotal in winning the competition? And given last years area the 1st Euph had the biggest part to play, I've listened to the King Arthur piece and it's the same again, and the torchbearer it's the same again. My point is that it's not all about 1 soloist but the pieces that have been picked are all heavily put on the 1st euphonium player.
Yes the rest of the band do have an input I understand that. You could look at it a different way, I'm sure the top bands would be able to confirm this, let's say you had one if the best principal cornets in the country, and at your area simply was the best principal cornet there before the contest starts, the piece that's being performed has a huge cornet feature, how much more confident does a band feel knowing, "well, we have the best cornet here and he or she sounds amazing saying the solo" it must have an impact on the playing of the band?
Does anyone know who is on the picking panel for contest test pieces?
 

2nd tenor

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The principal Euphonium is one chair of 25 in a band, no more a good indicator than the solo baritone, 2nd horn, BBb bass or even (dare I say it) percussion.
In my limited experience the Principal Euphonium player has always been more able than any other player in the band outside of the Solo and Sop Cornets. Who is more able between the Cornets and Euphoniums is down to the particular band, in so far as I have been able to judge it is more likely to be the Cornets - but Cornets are easier to play and there are more of them to pick from too ;). So, the way I hear it, the Principal Euph is the best player in the lower band and hence his/her ability reflects, if imperfectly, on what the rest of the band is capable of.
 

MoominDave

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I think that as an odious generalisation it tends to be that the better the band, the better the players around the stands. It's not uncommon to find 4th section bands with quality players on the end seats who effectively carry the group musically, but the standard around the band in the championship section tends to be much more even, and the difference between say 3rd and front row cornet more a matter of range specialism than ability. This wasn't always the case, and older testpieces reflect that the corner players carried a substantially heavier burden than their section players up until the first growth of 'modern' testpieces in the 70s.
At risk of making Ian explode in rage at our elitist ways, we do seem to be specifically talking about the most recently mooted championship section piece -The Torchbearer is certainly not easy, but it's no St. Magnus, The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, or Harmony Music for most of the band. However it does have a ridiculous euphonium cadenza in the middle of it that overtops every other part in the band for difficulty by some way. It's a good way of testing which bands have a solo euph with nerves and lips of steel, but it won't allow bands whose ability is more evenly spread around the ensemble to shine so easily - I would argue that strength down the line is more important as an indicator of a band's quality than whether one can lay one's hands on a superstar solo player for a contest.
 
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