Paddy's Welsh Area - 2011

[Paddy Flower]

A look ahead to Swansea...

Championship Section
Cory - 4/7 fav
Tredegar - 6/4 defending champions of course
Tongwynlais Temperance - 12/1
BTM - 14/1
Beaumaris - 33/1
Northop Silver - 150/1
Wrexham Brass - 150/1
Point of Ayr - 150/1
Burry Port Town - 500/1
Cwmaman Institute Silver - 500/1
Markham & District - 500/1

 

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Parc & Dare - 11/4 fav
City of Cardiff (Melingriffith) - 4/1
Newbridge (Celynen) - 4/1
Tylorstown - 9/2
Pontardulais Town - 5/1
Abergavenny Borough - 13/2
Penclawdd - 11/1
Deiniolen - 40/1

 

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Rogerstone - 15/8 fav
RAF St Athan Voluntary - 11/2
Mid Rhondda - 7/1
Llwydcoed - 7/1
Blaenavon Town - 15/2
Lewis Merthyr - 11/1
Royal Buckley Town - 11/1
Newtown Silver - 18/1
Gwaun-Cae-Gurwen - 20/1
Llanrug - 22/1
Crosskeys Silver - 40/1
Ynyshir - 40/1
Corus (Port Talbot) - 40/1

 

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Goodwick - 1/4 fav
Briton Ferry Silver - 5/1
Upper Rhondda - 7/1
Royal Oakley - 12/1
Ammanford Town - 25/1
Ebbw Vale - 40/1
Crwbin - 66/1

 

[Paddy Flower]

Fourth Section
Pontypool Brass - 15/8 fav
Ogmore Valley - 9/4
Severn Tunnel - 6/1
Porthaethwy Menai Bridge - 11/1
Mellingriffith 2 - 12/1
Abertillery Youth - 14/1
Newport Borough - 14/1
Rhyl - 18/1
Ystradgynlais Public - 22/1
Ruthin Town - 28/1
Oakdale Silver - 33/1

Blaenafon Concert (not entered since '08 )
Knighton Town Silver (not entered since '08 )

I have nothing to base these gradings on other than my own records and precident of how the Welsh do it so I expect there may be an error or two. If someone could direct me to a site with the tables or even an explaination of how it is done here I'd be grateful

 

[Pastit]

A look ahead to Swansea...

Championship Section
Cory - 4/7 fav
Tredegar - 6/4 defending champions of course
Tongwynlais Temperance - 12/1
BTM - 14/1
Beaumaris - 33/1
Northop Silver - 150/1
Wrexham Brass - 150/1
Point of Ayr - 150/1
Burry Port Town - 500/1
Cwmaman Institute Silver - 500/1
Markham & District - 500/1

As far as we know, Wrexham are still in the first section in 2011

 

[Deano]

Welsh grading tables can be found here: http://welshbrass.org.uk/id3.html

I think that Mellingriffith (M2) are still in the 4th section though following appeal.

 

[Paddy Flower]

Welsh grading tables can be found here: http://welshbrass.org.uk/id3.html

I think that Mellingriffith (M2) are still in the 4th section though following appeal.

Deano you are a legend, thank you. Let start again shall we...

Championship Section
Cory - 8/15 fav
Tredegar - 11/8
Tongwynlais Temperance - 11/1
BTM - 14/1
Beaumaris - 33/1
Northop Silver - 150/1
Point of Ayr - 350/1
Markham & District - 500/1

 

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Wrexham Brass - 6/5 fav it would seem to me to make more sense to promote them, but it's not up to me is it
Burry Port Town - 13/2
Parc & Dare - 15/2
Cwmaman Institute Silver - 8/1
City of Cardiff (Melingriffith) - 11/1
Newbridge (Celynen) - 12/1
Tylorstown - 14/1
Pontardulais Town - 14/1
Rogerstone - 18/1
Abergavenny Borough - 18/1
Penclawdd - 33/1
Deiniolen - 150/1

 

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
RAF St Athan Voluntary - 4/1 fav
Mid Rhondda - 9/2
Llwydcoed - 5/1
Blaenavon Town - 5/1
Lewis Merthyr - 15/2
Royal Buckley Town - 15/2
Newtown Silver - 12/1
Gwaun-Cae-Gurwen - 14/1
Llanrug - 14/1
Cross Keys Silver - 22/1
Ynyshir - 25/1

 

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Goodwick - 8/15 fav
Briton Ferry Silver - 6/1
Upper Rhondda - 9/1
Corus (Port Talbot) - 11/1
Royal Oakley - 14/1
Pontypool Brass - 16/1
Ogmore Valley - 20/1
Ammanford Town - 28/1
Ebbw Vale - 50/1
Severn Tunnel - 50/1
Crwbin - 100/1
Newport Borough - 150/1

Holywell Town (not entered since '08 )

 

[Paddy Flower]

Fourth Section
Porthaethwy Menai Bridge - 3/1 fav
Mellingriffith 2 - 100/30
Abertillery Youth - 7/2
Rhyl - 9/2
Ystradgynlais Public - 6/1
Ruthin Town - 7/1
Oakdale Silver - 9/1

Blaenafon Concert (not entered since '08 )

 

[MoominDave]

Some unexpected-looking numbers of promoted and relegated bands in the tables at the posted link. What's the logic behind promoting 5 out of a 4th section of 11, and only relegating one band into that section? Or for that matter relegating 4 out of the top section (including good bands - Burry Port, Cwmaman, Newbridge, and Penclawdd being the four), and replacing them with only one promoted from the 1st.

It's not as if it evens up the numbers in the sections - it was previously 11-8-13-9-11, but according to that it would now be 8-12-11-14-7 - no improvement from that perspective.

 

[Paddy Flower]

Some unexpected-looking numbers of promoted and relegated bands in the tables at the posted link. What's the logic behind promoting 5 out of a 4th section of 11, and only relegating one band into that section? Or for that matter relegating 4 out of the top section (including good bands - Burry Port, Cwmaman, Newbridge, and Penclawdd being the four), and replacing them with only one promoted from the 1st.

It's not as if it evens up the numbers in the sections - it was previously 11-8-13-9-11, but according to that it would now be 8-12-11-14-7 - no improvement from that perspective.

I suppose the 4th section proms is to do with FOUR bands being tied on 13 grading points but surely a tie-breaker should be used (i.e. go to places of the most recent contest).

As I alluded to earlier, Wrexham NOT being promoted when FOUR were relegated out of the Champ is the biggest mystery...

 

[Pav]

Oh that's a strange one.

It's a combination of the 2nd ties (as above) and then the small sections. Is it less than 10 competing then only one promoted/relegated?

 

[Accidental]

It's a combination of the 2nd ties (as above) and then the small sections. Is it less than 10 competing then only one promoted/relegated?

Yes.
Only 7 played in the 1st section this year, which is why Wrexham have stayed put.

 

[Pav]

On the bright side it'll reverse next year (2 up/1 dn) between the top and first sections.

Every chance of a Welsh Nationals victory with that line up as well. If the maths works out could be 3 up.

 

[Paddy Flower]

On the bright side it'll reverse next year (2 up/1 dn) between the top and first sections.

Every chance of a Welsh Nationals victory with that line up as well. If the maths works out could be 3 up.

Wrexham would be your main chance of success at Harrogate next year. Ante-post I would fancy Hammonds, Freckleton & Hatfield ahead of them. Ratby, Bournemouth, Johnstone, will all be strong contenders too if they can navigate their respective minefields next March.

 

[Splitzer]

Some unexpected-looking numbers of promoted and relegated bands in the tables at the posted link. What's the logic behind promoting 5 out of a 4th section of 11, and only relegating one band into that section? Or for that matter relegating 4 out of the top section (including good bands - Burry Port, Cwmaman, Newbridge, and Penclawdd being the four), and replacing them with only one promoted from the 1st.

It's not as if it evens up the numbers in the sections - it was previously 11-8-13-9-11, but according to that it would now be 8-12-11-14-7 - no improvement from that perspective.

Our regional committee is working hard to stop the overgrading of bands and maintain the quality and credibility of our sections. Should work out in the medium term, and maybe some of the weaker areas should take note?

 

[katieeuph]

Some unexpected-looking numbers of promoted and relegated bands in the tables at the posted link. What's the logic behind promoting 5 out of a 4th section of 11, and only relegating one band into that section? Or for that matter relegating 4 out of the top section (including good bands - Burry Port, Cwmaman, Newbridge, and Penclawdd being the four), and replacing them with only one promoted from the 1st.

Newbridge (Celynen) haven't competed for a while now. Haven't heard if they'll be competing again in the regionals.