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29.07.2010, 11:41
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The piccallo part of Stars & Stripes
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29.07.2010, 11:53
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The trilling bit in ORB. If not played with the correct amount of Finesse it sounds awful, or you cant hear it.
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29.07.2010, 12:17
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sop solo in paganini!
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29.07.2010, 17:38
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There's a nice sop part toward the end of Peter Graham's Sinfonietta - The Dawning that I think meets the obligato criteria. Also, while not obligato's, from Eric Ball there's a movement in The Old Wells - very quiet and launching up to (if I'm not mistaken) four high A's within the movement; beautiful writing and there's always the run up to a high Bb in the final movement of Songs of the Morning that presents a challenge as well as several sections of Song of Courage. Finally, for today at least, there are two versions of Edvard Grieg's The Last Spring (arr. Pat Ryan and Ray Steadman-Allen) that come to mind as being difficult because they are both quiet and high.
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29.07.2010, 18:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Preshom
Not an obligato though is it........ 
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Dunno; nobody in this thread has actually defined what is meant by "obligato".
Here's one I found on t'interweb to be going on with:
"An obligato is a section of music which is viewed as very important by the composer. When the note “obligato” or “obbligato” appears in a musical composition, it means that the marked section should not be left out or altered, because it is crucial to the piece. The opposite of obligato or “obligatory” would be ad libitum, a marking used to indicate that the relevant section can be altered or left out to suit the needs of the performer or conductor.
The term is derived from the Latin obligare, which means “to oblige.” In Italian, it is written out as obbligato, and this spelling is preferred by many musicians, but “obligato” is also acceptable, especially among English-speaking musicians and composers. As the meaning of this word implies, an obligato section of a composition is not negotiable.
Historically, musicians often adapted, changed, or left out chunks of music, making the obligato notation necessary for composers who wanted to keep certain parts of their works intact. While this might seem strange to modern music fans, since classical music today is often performed as written, this practice was once quite common. Depending on the piece, the term may also be a firm reminder that not only is the music necessary, but that the music should be performed exactly as written, with the instrument it was written for.
Especially in Baroque compositions, it is common to see markings which differentiate between obligato and basso continuo. Typically, a basso continuo is supposed to be an unobtrusive accompaniment to the main melody of the piece, and it is often improvised by the musician in performance. When an obligato notation is used, it means that the musician had a specific vision for the harmonic accompaniment, and he or she would like musicians to stick to it. Because the tendency to alter classical music as desired has faded, the meaning of the term “obligato” has also shifted in some circles. In some instances, the term is used in a sense opposite of the original meaning, to mark a section of a composition which is superfluous or less important. For example, a composer might offer an obligato alternative to a complicated section in a piece of music for musicians who do not feel up to the original composition. Needless to say, this can be a bit confusing, and it is also irritating to some classical performers and composers."
Based on the above, I don't see why "Triumph of Peace" can't be considered an "obligato".
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29.07.2010, 21:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GJG
Dunno; nobody in this thread has actually defined what is meant by "obligato".
Extract (out of context....) ".....the music should be performed exactly as written, with the instrument it was written for".
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So, with that in mind (and tongue firmly in cheek, will future test pieces all be labelled "Obligato"? 
Last edited by John Brooks; 29.07.2010 at 21:55.
Reason: Corrected two typo's
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30.07.2010, 00:59
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The 'Impromptu' from "Festival Music" by Eric Ball is quite a task for any Eb Soprano player, in fact the whole piece is quite a task for any band.
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30.07.2010, 10:30
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The few bars in 'Haven't Met You Yet' Michael Buble! Although it's not exactly the most difficult, it is if you play it on solo cornet if you're not very comfortable above the stave!
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30.07.2010, 17:09
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As an old traditional I used to quite enjoy the sop part in the Florentiner March
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30.07.2010, 17:23
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Eagle Squadron
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02.08.2010, 13:10
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Anyone mentioned "Aces High" by Ron Goodwin yet?
Belter of a soprano part in that....
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02.08.2010, 13:19
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Montage...3rd mvt?
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02.08.2010, 14:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scotchgirl
Montage...3rd mvt?
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Just as hard for the Eb bass as I recall....
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02.08.2010, 15:15
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Some of my faves.....
One Moment in Time and Aces High were my favourite 'face-melters'!
Ps, depending on what everyone is deeming to be an 'obligato', you could say Paganini is littered with them! Best sop part on the planet! Fact! 
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04.08.2010, 17:11
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Flowerdale and Escapade 
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