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    Rudy Muck Mouthpiece ...any information.

    I have just bought a Rudy Muck 13c Mouthpiece off ebay yesterday. Not heard of them until the day I bid on it. I've done some research and know if its a genuine one its worth 40 - 50 quid in new condition ...so fairly decent. I got it for Much Much less!


    I know its a Sop Mouthpiece but any extra info on this or thoughts on how they feel and crucially have I a bought a dud? I've just taken up Sop as an experiment with my SA Corps Band and would welcome any tips on or suggestions on mouthpiece selections.

    I current play front row on a DW 5b and can play the Sop with it but the top register is a really flakely with not real substance to it. I'd like to have the confidence to know when I come in on a top A that it going to sound the same 4 beats after I've come in. Rather than distorting or fizziling out.

    Any other pointers, hints or tops would be really appriciated on getting to grips with the sop would be good too.

    Cheers

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    as iv said on many a thread (LOL) get a warburton screw rim as u can try different rims with different backbores,theres alway loads on ebay too as they are quite expensive new!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrshimmon View Post
    I have just bought a Rudy Muck 13c Mouthpiece off ebay yesterday. Not heard of them until the day I bid on it. I've done some research and know if its a genuine one its worth 40 - 50 quid in new condition ...so fairly decent. I got it for Much Much less!


    I know its a Sop Mouthpiece but any extra info on this or thoughts on how they feel and crucially have I a bought a dud? I've just taken up Sop as an experiment with my SA Corps Band and would welcome any tips on or suggestions on mouthpiece selections.

    I current play front row on a DW 5b and can play the Sop with it but the top register is a really flakely with not real substance to it. I'd like to have the confidence to know when I come in on a top A that it going to sound the same 4 beats after I've come in. Rather than distorting or fizziling out.

    Any other pointers, hints or tops would be really appriciated on getting to grips with the sop would be good too.

    Cheers
    Bit of a co-incidence this, as I've just ordered a Rudy Muck mouthpiece recently, I'm waiting to get it.
    I play on a Vincent Bach 17c at the moment, which is the best I've had so far, but if you put pressure on (which does happen at times), it can be restrictive. The Rudy Muck is the same as my Bach mouthpiece, bit with a cushioned rim to allow better blood flow in the lips when playing with a bit of pressure.
    I'll let you know how I get on with it.
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    I've got one in my hand right here - Rudy Muck, 13C, cushion rim. Bit of a specialist screamer trumpet mouthpiece, really - it's basically a little indentation in the middle of a vast flat rim. It'll give you a very thin sound.
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    Thanks for the responses so far.

    I looked at the Warburton Website and being new picking my own mouthpiece I wasn't sure where to start. But if I get serious about this Sop playing I'll deffinitely consider shellin' out for one.

    I should get the RM 13c in a couple of days so I'll post my opinion once I've had it a few days to test it out. I've also got a VB 7E from Ebay again late last night, so I'll give that a try in the next few days too.

    Cheers for all you help so far.

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    RM Mouthpiece

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    I used a RM mouthpiece when I first started playing sop some 20 years ago. It was an old trumpet mouthpiece given to me by Eric James who was conducting the Band I was playing for at the time. I used it then for about 10 years or so before buying warburton mouthpiece.

    The cushined rim help a lot when i started especially as I did squeeze quite hard to get higher register notes then. But I changed to warburton in the end, in order to play with a bigger rim.

    I don't agree with previous post about thin sound with RM. I never had any problems with that infact i had the opposite experience and it did help me with tunning problems and balance problems.

    Just as important as buying a mouthpiece that suites is making sure you've got Charles Colins lip slurs book to work from. Using that book will extend your range and more importantly improve the sound in the higher register. The other important thing is just to enjoy it. Its certainly the best seat in a brass band! Good luck and have fun!

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    Cheers for the Info Jayne I'll look for one of those Charle Collins books. I'm looking forward to giving this RM a try.

    Thanks Again

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrshimmon View Post
    Cheers for the Info Jayne I'll look for one of those Charle Collins books. I'm looking forward to giving this RM a try.

    Thanks Again
    I've got that book too, it was recommended to me by Grimethorpes sop player when I had a lesson with him.... and it is really fantastic!!!! It's helped my playing on no end.

    Sop mouthpieces are such a common discussion. It's what works for the individual, everybody has a different embouchure and a different technique. I've gone through a few mouthpieces trying to get settled. I've never had a mouthpiece that I couldn't play on, but there are some important points to consider when choosing a mouthpiece. A lot of sop players (especially those just starting to play sop) go for a 'bird pool', really shallow mouthpiece. This may be a quick fix in getting used to playing high notes, but in the long run, probably won't be good. If you're producing a thin sound, you need a deeper mouthpiece.
    If you find it hard to strike notes, you need a mouthpiece with a flat dip below the rim, before it rounds into the cup (hope that makes sense).
    If when you apply pressure you feel your lip tiring quickly and leaving a sort of dent on your lip, you need a cushioned rim.
    If you struggle with the Rudy Muck 13c with a weak sound, maybe try and get the 17c, as this will be the same rim etc, but will be a deeper cup.

    I hadn't even heard of Rudy Muck until recently. They seem pretty good having looked at the specs on the website. Similar to Bach and Warburtons but with the cushioned rim.
    Liv the dreem, play sop!

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    any idea wot the 6D warburton equivalent would be? might try one as they sound very interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoominDave View Post
    I've got one in my hand right here - Rudy Muck, 13C, cushion rim. Bit of a specialist screamer trumpet mouthpiece, really - it's basically a little indentation in the middle of a vast flat rim. It'll give you a very thin sound.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayneSop View Post
    Hi
    I used a RM mouthpiece when I first started playing sop some 20 years ago. It was an old trumpet mouthpiece given to me by Eric James who was conducting the Band I was playing for at the time. I used it then for about 10 years or so before buying warburton mouthpiece.
    I don't agree with previous post about thin sound with RM. I never had any problems with that infact i had the opposite experience and it did help me with tunning problems and balance problems.
    Hi, Jayne!
    I've still got my Dad's RM 13C mouthpiece...when he wasn't blowing through it he used it as a paper weight and toffee breaker upper - once I saw him knock a small nail in with it.
    I could never quite understand how he made such a huge fat sound through such a tiny cup...and he could play right up top ALL day....I don't remember him ever playing low stuff though - an all-round mouthpiece it aint!
    Thanks for steering Mog onto Warburtons the other year - defo the way to go for him.
    Cheers

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    iv just bought a Rudy Muck 19C this morning,just to try it.if i dont like it i'll sell it on so watch this thread lol
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    Its a little deep but Ive stumbled across a Rudy Muck cushion rim mouthpiece, a bit battered, but it says 419 on the rim

    Looks like it may have got stuck in a cornet and someone took a pair of pliars to it... but it looks very old but the rim and shank itself look OK!

    Can anyone shed any info on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sop 1 View Post
    iv just bought a Rudy Muck 19C this morning,just to try it.if i dont like it i'll sell it on so watch this thread lol
    If you don't like it, keep it for cracking nuts at Xmas...my old man used his for that too....
    Got another memory of the old man's RM....
    Aged about 15 I came home from school with the story that Louis Armstrong could hit 200 Top Cs then hit the F above that. The old man, still in his colliery overalls and covered in black stuff, said he could do that but to save time he'd double-tongue them. He went to the nut bowl, got his RM, and stuck it in his trumpet. Then, without a warm-up ("that's for sissies") he d-t'd 176 Cs and slid up to the F with vib..
    As he chucked the RM back in with the nuts he said, "Bu***r! Should've taken a bigger breath!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyn James View Post
    If you don't like it, keep it for cracking nuts at Xmas...my old man used his for that too....
    Got another memory of the old man's RM....
    Aged about 15 I came home from school with the story that Louis Armstrong could hit 200 Top Cs then hit the F above that. The old man, still in his colliery overalls and covered in black stuff, said he could do that but to save time he'd double-tongue them. He went to the nut bowl, got his RM, and stuck it in his trumpet. Then, without a warm-up ("that's for sissies") he d-t'd 176 Cs and slid up to the F with vib..
    As he chucked the RM back in with the nuts he said, "Bu***r! Should've taken a bigger breath!"
    lol i remember that! need a new nut cracker!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyn James View Post
    If you don't like it, keep it for cracking nuts at Xmas...my old man used his for that too....
    Got another memory of the old man's RM....
    Aged about 15 I came home from school with the story that Louis Armstrong could hit 200 Top Cs then hit the F above that. The old man, still in his colliery overalls and covered in black stuff, said he could do that but to save time he'd double-tongue them. He went to the nut bowl, got his RM, and stuck it in his trumpet. Then, without a warm-up ("that's for sissies") he d-t'd 176 Cs and slid up to the F with vib..
    As he chucked the RM back in with the nuts he said, "Bu***r! Should've taken a bigger breath!"
    Hi Alyn

    Your Dad was certainly one of a kind!! Such a character... I learnt so much from him!

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