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    There's a massive skewing effect from society's...

    There's a massive skewing effect from society's expectations of gender roles that makes deducing the existence of 'natural' differences between men and women all but impossible. Male and female...
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    Sad news. As with Jim Y., parallels with Arthur...

    Sad news. As with Jim Y., parallels with Arthur Butterworth spring to mind. Both were a similar age, and both wrote intriguing music for band that didn't tend to pander to the tonal blandness desired...
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    Hi Phil, I did think of Wantage (funnily...

    Hi Phil, I did think of Wantage (funnily enough!), but they did it in two spurts - 4th to 2nd sections 1983-6 and 2nd to Championship 2003-2007.
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    Re Glossop - always the kind of story to send me...

    Re Glossop - always the kind of story to send me scurrying back to the database!

    Here's Glossop Old's record at the areas as we have it (NB you'll need to have a BBR account to view this...
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    I used the phrase (as I suspect did Mark) to...

    I used the phrase (as I suspect did Mark) to emphasise the particular strength in the role that the MD in questions have - in particular the ability to get the most out of their charges through sheer...
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    Sweat must have been the operative word! Wouldn't...

    Sweat must have been the operative word! Wouldn't fancy that... Even warmer than band jackets... At least you can radiate heat from the belly in one of those. Which is of course why some of us...
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    Oddly enough it's a phrase that arrives in my ear...

    Oddly enough it's a phrase that arrives in my ear with rather an old-fashioned ring to it. Of a vintage with bands calling themselves "xxxx Brass Ensemble" despite being clearly a brass band.
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    And of course posting immediately produces in my...

    And of course posting immediately produces in my mind another obvious example, and one that makes Kelty not unique in 4 successive promotions - Todmorden Old promoted 4 successive years in Yorkshire...
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    Mark, what year was that 7th? BBR...

    Mark, what year was that 7th? BBR is missing Amington's placings for the three, possibly four, years that they competed in the South Midlands championship section (1988-90, possibly 1991?). Let me...
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    Yes, for sure there are those that play the...

    Yes, for sure there are those that play the system cynically. You just hope that when they come along that they aren't such good players that you are tempted to put up with their dramas!
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    A lot of people in banding would gasp in horror...

    A lot of people in banding would gasp in horror at being asked to pay 20 a month to play. In my observation, there tend to be two broad camps of thought amongst band players on this - there are...
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    If we are stuck on this little hump, allow me the...

    If we are stuck on this little hump, allow me the luxury of rewriting my thoughts in order to make them clearer:

    "In reality MDing a band properly is hard work requiring a well-disciplined musical...
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    I know it's not really in the spirit of his...

    I know it's not really in the spirit of his thoughts to note this - but Besses won it that year, off the number 15 draw. Lucky timing from the young Arthur!
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    I was hoping to make the point with subsequent...

    I was hoping to make the point with subsequent posts that I hadn't come nearly as close to saying that as other subsequent posts seemed to assume that I had... It would be an obviously daft thing to...
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    Just checking

    Just checking
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    I don't think anyone here actually has said that...

    I don't think anyone here actually has said that "unless you have a few letters after your name, you are in no fit position to be the MD of an amateur organisation"...
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    I think you are to some extent at least playing...

    I think you are to some extent at least playing Devil's Advocate now?

    Perhaps an illustration can make this clearer. I am a scientist by trade, and when performing scientific work for my...
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    There is the odd band around that pays the odd...

    There is the odd band around that pays the odd principal seat some kind of stipend. They seem to have no trouble at all filling the other seats. No need for it to be a divisive situation at all, so...
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    Decent sponsorship can certainly leave bands...

    Decent sponsorship can certainly leave bands overexposed quite easily. They get used to paying out 150 per rehearsal for a star conductor, only to find the money drying up later. In the nightmare...
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    Amateur orchestras often pay both MD and violin...

    Amateur orchestras often pay both MD and violin leader. But then the leader has historically had something of a management role anyhow, acting as conduit from conductor to their section and sometimes...
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    I was deliberately general in my previous post in...

    I was deliberately general in my previous post in order to avoid the suggestion that it was specifically music college type skills that make a good MD - yes, indeed the armed forces provide fertile...
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    But one doesn't see this... In reality MDing a...

    But one doesn't see this... In reality MDing a band properly is hard work requiring a well-disciplined musical brain, and few people are able to do a good job of it without the kind of training you...
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    If I might put the opposing view... Because they...

    If I might put the opposing view... Because they are getting paid, and because they are named with the band on publicity material and at contests, the standard of the band becomes a matter of...
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    So far as I've seen, it's something that only...

    So far as I've seen, it's something that only becomes necessary for bands that get used to having it. Bands that don't have sponsorship don't tend to need it. Plenty of bands have folded at the end...
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    Is sponsorship a good thing?

    Is sponsorship a good thing?
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