blackpool mineworkers contest

[baritone impresario]

Has anyone heard yet if it is taking place this year ?.I keep hearing rumours that ciswo are skint and it may not take place.



NICK HARRIS CARLTON MAIN

[Bones]

Harris........

Trust you to start on a controversial note.

There has been some concern as to whether the contest will go ahead, as my eloquent colleague from South Yorkshire's finest, has already elaborated.

My wife Jane (Solo Horn, Carlton Main) has tried to get in touch with CISWO to establish where they are with the contest and if it is going ahead. Largely so we know whether or not to book a hotel etc. We hope to have an answer to post here next week for your info. Rememebr though, you must check this for yourselves. I don't fancy a barrage of complaints if we get told one thing and you find out another.

As you may have gathered CMFC fancy going this year, so hopefully it will go ahead.

Cheers

Rich

[satchmo shaz]

it would be nice to see CMF there again after a long absence :wink:

[BoozyBTrom]

as my eloquent colleague from South Yorkshire's finest, has already elaborated.


Just to be picky. I didnt realise CMFC had moved rehersal rooms. South Yorkshire!!!!!!!!!!!!

Being Frickley Born and Bread I had always been lead to belive that South Elmsall was West Yorkshire.

Please dont move it any further the wrong way. Living in the North East as I do now I get enough hammer about being a southerner so please please please dont move my home further down the wrong end of the country
:wink: :wink:

[sparkling_quavers]

oh no!!! *cries* keep us in touch with what is going on!!!

[Bones]

as my eloquent colleague from South Yorkshire's finest, has already elaborated.


Just to be picky. I didnt realise CMFC had moved rehersal rooms. South Yorkshire!!!!!!!!!!!!

Being Frickley Born and Bread I had always been lead to belive that South Elmsall was West Yorkshire.

Please dont move it any further the wrong way. Living in the North East as I do now I get enough hammer about being a southerner so please please please dont move my home further down the wrong end of the country
:wink: :wink:


Apologies, being a softy Midlander in Yorky band I don't know whether we are south, north, east or west, I just know it's a dozen junctions up the M1

[geordiecolin]

definitely down south, i went to mansfield the other week, i thought that if we travelled south much further we'd be in the english channel!!
southerners! a divn't knaa aboot them like...

[BoozyBTrom]

Apologies, being a softy Midlander in Yorky band I don't know whether we are south, north, east or west, I just know it's a dozen junctions up the M1

Its OK Rich will let you off this time. I just have a complex now after living with these northern monkeys for too long.

[Brian]

i went to mansfield the other week, i thought that if we travelled south much further we'd be in the english channel!!
southerners!...

Typical Northerner...Mansfield is in the Midlands,try going as far south as Northants, and you will get wet..

Hope the CISWO Contest does keep going, without it in the Brass band Calendar,there would be a big gap...Used to be very good when it first started in 1960, in September, all the shows still on and reasonable weather.......

P.S. Nick Harris , don't tell me I actually taught an Impressario ? But still as subtle as ever

[Hornted]

So the news is out the contest is definately cancelled - really disappointing that in this day and age that the contest cannot be run successfully. All it needed in my view was a major overhall - closed adjudication - etc. Possibly moved to a cheaper venue etc.etc

It would be nice if another body could take over the rights to run the contest and the trophies etc.

I know sponsorship is a problem but with some determination and hard work it could be possible[/u]

[satchmo shaz]

So the news is out the contest is definately cancelled - really disappointing that in this day and age that the contest cannot be run successfully. All it needed in my view was a major overhall - closed adjudication - etc. Possibly moved to a cheaper venue etc.etc

It would be nice if another body could take over the rights to run the contest and the trophies etc.

I know sponsorship is a problem but with some determination and hard work it could be possible[/u] I totally agree! the senior trophy, cup and sheild are well run at the same venue!!

[sparkling_quavers]

So the news is out the contest is definately cancelled

isn't it still just a rumour?? it's not been confirmed has it?!!?!?!?! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[satchmo shaz]

yep see news on 4br :cry:

[sparkling_quavers]

yep see news on 4br :cry:

noooooooooooooooooooo :cry: :cry: :cry:

here's the link to 4bars http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=1037

[neiltwist]

nooooooooooo!

damn. this isn't fair, the first year I was going to go aswell. :(

[iancwilx]

Really dreadful news - a fabulous banding weekend is no more.
Surely, as others have suggested, the event could be moved to a cheaper venue, or other co-sponsors sought out.
Perhaps even the National Lottery could be approached to shell out a few bob to preserve a little bit of our historic industrial heritage. They're big on "Community" projects.
If we applied for funds for "Musical activities for displaced persons and socially disadvantaged communities," some libertine, left wing Government quango would probably "Rubber stamp" it without a second glance !!!
I know Stones Brewery have been involved in the past. Surely some other organisation would be interested in attaching their logo to the event.
Personally I think that rather than let the contest die, it should be moved to the City Hall in Sheffield, a central area of mining activity in the past. The lower sections could take place on the same day in other mining towns such as Barnsley or Doncaster etc. etc.
It is too good a contest to let die without a fight - the only advantage in its demise is that the National Birthrate would probably drop significantly.

[Hornted]

So it is worth trying to set up a body to represent all the bands contected with the Mineworkers to try to rescue the contest. If all bands were willing to may a small joining fee for the new association then we could get something started. Which the help and support of the membership we could run a contest, perhaps on a smaller scale to begin with.

I guess if we looked at a central venue and arranged a meeting to try and canvas the level of support it might be an idea.

Also as a fund raiser I guess we could look at the bands of the top end of the rankings with Mineworker connections to but on some sort of scratch band proms concert. Taking the proceeds for the 1st contest. I really think this could be possible

I would welcome comments from the rest of you as to see if you think this is worth the effort - or do we just lie down and let the contest die.

[baritone impresario]

sorry to say it but what did i tell you.i knew that the contest might not take place a couple of months ago. my mum had heard about it at her ex miners wives club!!!!!!!!!!!! ooh er .but anyway i agree with the idea of a massed colliery band concert as a fundraiser.i also agree with changing venue.the winter gardens must cost a packet.I would also like ciswo to open up abit more and maybe let outsiders help so that the resposobility does'nt rest on the minoritys shoulders.as one of the last few coal miners i would hate to see another part of our heritage die .lets hope that miracles do happen and i for one would like to help in any capacity i could.

NICK HARRIS

[michellegarbutt]

I agree we can't let this historic contest go without a fight

[Bones]

It is a real shame that one of the best and most enjoyable contests of the year is gone. But a few observations

The thorny issues of open vs. closed adjudicator may potentially be a contributory factor to the drop in attendance from some bands

I paid £3 for a program and entry last year. Mind bogglingly cheap, compared to the Nationals and the Masters. Upping that to a £5 wouldn't be beyond the wit of man.

I echo the sentiments of Nick Harris, CISWO appeared to have kept it a closed shop, it needs to engage the likes of Phil Biggs and Martin Mortimer who have vast experience in making these things work and obtaining sponsorship for them. I cite the Masters as an example.

Venue, I like the Winter Gardens, it has enough rooms to cater for all bands. I'll welcome alternative ideas, I just don't know of anywhere else that can accomodate the contest.

Welcome any comments. This contest can't just go away.

Cheers

Rich

[satchmo shaz]

I agree with rich, maybe CISWO should get in touch with Messrs Biggs and Mortimer and maybe even the organisers at Pontins before knocking the final nail in the coffin, why not make it the CISWO open contest and seek smaller sponsorship for each section rather than one big sponsor for the whole event and it would be nice if there was a brass related event on the Sunday morning again, like the solo contest

here's hoping...........

[Heather]

Go for it.
Its been going as long as I can remember (and that's a long time!!).
Its a shame they have just cancelled it without seemingly asking the bands normally involved for their views or help.
I think its an important enough contest to try to save.
Even though I've never been involved in the contest you have my full backing.

[baritone impresario]

just spoke to some one at ciswo hq.He said that they are willing to listen to any kind of help ie ways of sponsorship,volunteers at the contest etc.he gave me ball park figure of £25,000 which is needed to run the contest in its present format.they are also willing to meet any band reps if we want to arrange it .so if anybody wants to help u can email me and lets get the ball rolling or we will be at the masters on sunday.surely out of the sixty or so bandsthat go we can sort somthing out .

NICK HARRIS
CARLTON MAIN

[Hornted]

Ok so we are definately going to get some support for the contest to continue, what I suggest is that a number of us get together after the week end and come up with a professional fix for the contest and a definately plan. In the bar at the week end it probably not the best venue if you are to come up with a realistic profesional workable plan.

For the contest to go ahead this year speed has to be the key, so a meeting next week end at a central point to come up with a workable plan. I guess the winter gardens has probably already been booked.

It does need to be a number of people from several different bands or if one band only is represented then that would prevent them from taking part in the contest. So ok a date what about the afternoon of the 31st May. I guess we could invite someone from CISWO to attend. As most of the people who seem to be comenting seem to be from the Midlands I guess a venue in the Midlands for the meeting would be the best option.

[baritone impresario]

great to see all the support for this great contest.the ball is rolling and iagree a meeting does need to take place .hopefully we can gather more momentum after masters .
NICK HARRIS
CARLTON MAIN

[Hornted]

Ok then best of luck for the Masters and suggest that anyone who is willing an able to attend a meeting next week end somewhere in Nottingham post a message asap.

[baritone impresario]

sorry for any delay in news but have spoke to two people intrested and will let u know when i hear anything else should be sometime next week.

[satchmo shaz]

there is now an article in this weeks bandsman and also on 4bars rest :wink:

[jfenwick]

We were told by our MD last night at rehearsal that Stan Lippeatt is trying to sort something out so it may be back on!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

thats what we were told anyway

[Euph-Bari]

:idea: It says in this weeks bandsman that a Major Holiday firm has shown a strong intrest in rescuing the contest.

The name of the firm hasn't been released yet but it says there are meeting going ahead this week to try and complile an appropriate rescue package

havn't even heard of this contest before but thaught might aswell tell you what i've read! :)

[P. Sanderson]

:lol: Just been talking to Stan Lippeat.
It appears that a MAJOR SPONSOR hasbeen found for the contest and that they are looking at the weekennd of 28th, 29th,30th November for a Mineworkers Contest at Skegness.

This would be a weekend event similar to Pontins with a 5 section contest on the Saturday, and an Entertainment contest for Championship bands on the Sunday.

WHICH MINING BANDS ARE INTERESTED

If you are contact Stan AND LET HIM KNOW.

Watch out for more details.

The venue has Three large halls for the contests and WARM UP ROOMS.

[Keppler]

That's great news!

A hearty well done to all those involved in this Phoenix-style story. Let's hope it goes on to new and bright things

[satchmo shaz]

will it be open to non mining bands? if not how do you get to go as there are no welfares round our way!

[P. Sanderson]

:lol: I've now got an E Mail address direct to stan

If your band is interested (mining bands only at present) please reply direct to him.

stan@lippeatt.fsnet.co.uk

Please do not abuse this.

[Aidan]

at present..? does that mean if they dont get enough entries it will become open??

[greatcheese]

I've heard it's Butlins that have got involved :?:

Well done Stan!! I went to Blackpool for the first time last year and had a fantastic time. Would be gutted to lose such a great contest from the calendar.

Skeggy here we come!!!!![/b]