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imthemaddude
17.06.2004, 18:10
Could someone do a review of yamaha cornet moutpieces for me ... please :D im interested in other people's opinions of them.
CaharleyFarley
17.06.2004, 18:54
Play a Wick myself - but the Yam MPs are good...........
super_sop
17.06.2004, 19:12
i play on a yamaha MP. ive tried a ew others since having it but seem to feel a lot more comfortable on my yamaha
imthemaddude
17.06.2004, 22:19
whoo hoo super_sop thats great i use a 16E what do you use?
craigyboy1
18.06.2004, 00:30
I also play a Yamaha mouthpiece at the moment and find it quite comfortable.
I'm sure you will have heard this before but it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks or what they play on. Every player is completely individual and different...what works for one doesn't always work for another.
If you are comfortable with your mouthpiece and it gives you the sound you desire then stick with it. :D
super_sop
18.06.2004, 07:38
whoo hoo super_sop thats great i use a 16E what do you use?
i use a 16E too
Majoresteve
20.06.2004, 17:17
Could someone do a review of yamaha cornet mouthpieces pieces for me
I think some one did one a while back, i'll try and find it.
BRB!
Majoresteve
20.06.2004, 17:28
I think some one did one a while back, i'll try and find it.
BRB!
Nope, cant find it, sorry!
But im sure some one did one once.
I used to play on a Yamaha 16E, which came with my Maestro, which made a nice sound but I found it difficult to get a good sounding top register with any depth.
So I moved to a Denis Wick 4b, and found the width too much as I found it difficult to stop air loss from the side of my mouth.
I then bought a Xeno and used the mouthpiece that came with it (DK is it?), which again was a nice sound but too wide for me and I struggled. When I moved onto front row I changed (again!) to a Denis Wick 5b, which is great. Has taken me a few months to get used to it but now I've been using it consistently since the summer I'm starting to see a massive improvement in my playing and, the best thing for me, consistency in the higher register.
I found it’s not the depth, its the width that matters - when talking about mouthpieces, that is ;)
Flugelfrank
11.12.2007, 21:24
I`m playing flugel and all the time I used a DW 4F. I didn`t like the rim on the DW. 3 months ago I bougt an Yamaha 14f4 GP (gold plated rim) and for me its super. Nice and warm sound and easy playing!
BUT mouthpieces are always an personal choice!!
Try them!
wiemelen
14.12.2007, 11:26
Wick RW3B ... great MP ... is supposed to blow more freely than the 3B .... works just fine for me
vjarjadian
12.02.2008, 00:05
I used to use a couple of Yamaha mouthpieces,
but since i tried the wick ones i use now ive never gone back.
sudcornet
12.02.2008, 00:55
So I moved to a Denis Wick 4b, and found the width too much as I found it difficult to stop air loss from the side of my mouth.
I then bought a Xeno and used the mouthpiece that came with it (DK is it?), which again was a nice sound but too wide for me and I struggled. When I moved onto front row I changed (again!) to a Denis Wick 5b, which is great. Has taken me a few months to get used to it but now I've been using it consistently since the summer I'm starting to see a massive improvement in my playing and, the best thing for me, consistency in the higher register.
Not surprising you're comfortable in the upper register with that combination....I played a DW5 20 years ago....on sop!!!
Can't be good for your lower register tho'.......and consistency in quality of sound throughout the range of the instrument is what we're after, not just the high notes......Not entirely sure about the yamaha mouthpieces (personal opinion to follow)...generally a little bright sounding for me....as is the Maestro cornet......but, I still tend to go for the bigger the better.....the biggest mouthpiece you can play on...c/w the biggest bore instrument(ish)........and still maintain range.
I'm a big fan of the DW2....'spose slightly restricted my range a tad......forget the super C's ...but I could still do a big top C...it's in the mid and lower range where the difference is most noticeable. It allows a breadth and control of sound which is limited on a smaller mouthpiece and ....given a good breathing technique ......a power and sheer volume as and when needed (but still retaining quality) ...that a small mouthpiece will not allow you to do.
I'm not advocating any brand of mouthpiece here. I just firmly believe...that to give ourselves the best chance of being able to produce our most musical of sounds throughout the entire range of any of our chosen brass instruments....go for the biggest you can manage (not all our music calls for super C.....I could hit a good super F on sop with that DW5....them were the days lad!)
Anyway ....rant over....you'll try what you want anyway....u need to go to a good brass shop...or contest stand (if you're brave enough)....try a few...and ask advice...play mid range notes and have a go with one that feels/sounds good.....(and ...yeah.....the only way to get better is still (unfortunately)....practice (takes a bit to get settled with a new mouthpiece - especially a big 'un).....so.....at worst....you've wasted 30 quid and you might get a bit back on ebay...at best...you have a friend for life....seriously.
Sud (feeling a tad "rant req'd" in mood - after most of a very nice bottle of Cabernet)
Just another two pennorth.....
Mouthpiece diameter and register are not that closely related. Its the efficiency of the flow of air through the mouthpiece that makes some easier in the upper register. However, depth of mouthpiece does affect the tone in the lower register, shallower mouthpieces tend to sound rough in the lower register and I have never found them much help in the upper register either.
By the way, the 16E Yamaha is a popular choice, I know a few people who play on them and like them. I tried one and found it tough going in the uppoer register because of the throat size. You need to get a mouthpice that provides the right level of resistance. Resistance is a combination of the resistance of the instrument, the mouthpiece shape (especially the throat), the mouthpiece to leadpipe gap and the resistance of your own embouchre (the aperture size).
So if you have a big aperture and a free blowing cornet you probably don't want a mouthpiece with a backbore like a drainpipe.
Rim size is more about comfort and making sure that the weight is supported off the red and more onto where the muscle actually is. You also want something that doesnt clamp your lips down and reduce flexibility.
Its an entirely personal issue rather like getting shoes that are the right size.
GingerMaestro
12.02.2008, 16:59
Hi Lynda
I play on a Yamaha 16E. I find it very comfortable to play on. I have had no problems in the Upper or Lower register with it and IMHO I think it produces a lovely sound when used on a Yamaha Cornet.
1 thing to take in to consideration is the make of maouth piece in relation to the make of cornet. e.g. Besson - English made Instrument - best used with an english made MP, Yamaha - Japanese Made Instrument - Best used with a Japanese MP etc. DW mouthpieces do come in English Diameters and non English Diameters.
If that makes sense
iv just bought a sparx mouthpiece (4E for sop) and it plays like a dream! very comfortable in all registers!
The people who developed the Sparx mouthpieces have now launched a range of cornet mouthpieces! They've developed specific models for soloist, front row player, back row player, sop and I think flugel too... The company is GR mouthpieces (based in the States) and their new cornet range is called UK Sterling and has been developed with Pete Collins, who is now importing them for the market here... If you're interested, visit www.pcbrass.co.uk/cornetmouthpieces.htm (http://www.pcbrass.co.uk/cornetmouthpieces.htm)
I'm a trombonist (ish!) so can't really comment other than to say I know Pete has players from all over Europe asking him for mouthpieces from GR, so they must be doing something right!!
they are very very good,been in touch with ted sparx a couple of times and he really seems to know wot hes doing!
i ordered mine direct from ted and with postage from canada came to about £90.
give them a try u wont be dissapointed
Hi Lynda
I play on a Yamaha 16E. I find it very comfortable to play on. I have had no problems in the Upper or Lower register with it and IMHO I think it produces a lovely sound when used on a Yamaha Cornet.
1 thing to take in to consideration is the make of maouth piece in relation to the make of cornet. e.g. Besson - English made Instrument - best used with an english made MP, Yamaha - Japanese Made Instrument - Best used with a Japanese MP etc. DW mouthpieces do come in English Diameters and non English Diameters.
If that makes sense
Its not the diameter its the gap.
Different instruments are designed for a different gap and the DW mouthpieces were made to match the Besson gap specification.
Gap is actually adjustable anyway by resoldering the mouthpiece receiver in the correct position.
they are very very good,been in touch with ted sparx a couple of times and he really seems to know wot hes doing!
i ordered mine direct from ted and with postage from canada came to about £90.
give them a try u wont be dissapointed
Yes, all the feedback I've heard definitely agrees with you! I THINK (correct me if I'm wrong) the Sparx ones are designed for trumpets (including a specific range for screamers, which I assume are what work on sop?!!!), whereas GR have now developed a range specifically for cornets. Both GR and Sparx use the same technology, but I've no idea what that is! Seems to work though!!!
GingerMaestro
12.02.2008, 17:58
Its not the diameter its the gap.
Different instruments are designed for a different gap and the DW mouthpieces were made to match the Besson gap specification.
Gap is actually adjustable anyway by resoldering the mouthpiece receiver in the correct position.
Thanks for that. I knew it was something to do with that but was not 100% sure which part it was
Cheers Gordon
Yes, all the feedback I've heard definitely agrees with you! I THINK (correct me if I'm wrong) the Sparx ones are designed for trumpets (including a specific range for screamers, which I assume are what work on sop?!!!), whereas GR have now developed a range specifically for cornets. Both GR and Sparx use the same technology, but I've no idea what that is! Seems to work though!!!
no they are the ones designed for cornets! in fact the 4E is a little deeper than the warbuton i was playing on,GR and SPARX i think are in partnership check out the website www.sparxmusic.com (http://www.sparxmusic.com)
:biggrin:
SA-Corneter
18.05.2008, 00:14
I have a Yam 11E4 mp I used to play it , its easy on the lips so u can play for a while with it, its gd in upper middle and lower registers and i helps with your tone, only changed cos got similar size to my trumpet on so was better wen swapping between the two
Well, I currently play on a plastic mouthpiece which was actually a prototype for the new DK mouthpice range, an I have to say I wouldnt change it for the world!
Started off on a wick 4, then moved to a wick 3, then got given the plastic prototype for the DK range, and its awesome! Wouldnt even change it for a metal version...so although i look like a t*t...i feel comfertable playing it
Courtenay! :)
22.05.2008, 14:31
I started off playing on a Yamaha mouthpiece (I don't remember which model, whatever one comes with a beginner cornet, I suppose.)
But then my friend, the sop player from band, sold me a Vincent Bach Corp 6 mouthpiece, and it's brilliant.
I currently play on a Yamaha 5C trumpet mouthpiece, which is okay but I'm looking for a better one, if anyone could reccommend any good trumpet mouthpieces? I'm originally a cornet player so I'm thinking of getting one similar to my cornet mouthpiece for ease of switching between instruments, but someone told me that's not a good idea...could anyone shed any light?
Courtenay! :)
22.05.2008, 14:34
Well, I currently play on a plastic mouthpiece which was actually a prototype for the new DK mouthpice range, an I have to say I wouldnt change it for the world!
Started off on a wick 4, then moved to a wick 3, then got given the plastic prototype for the DK range, and its awesome! Wouldnt even change it for a metal version...so although i look like a t*t...i feel comfertable playing it
Really?! Everyone I've spoken to about plastic mouthpieces prefers metal ones lol :tongue:
I've got a plastic one but it makes me sound funny so I only use it on outside engagements when it's likely to be cold, like Remembrance Parades, as metal hurts when it's cold :-?
Cornet Nev.
25.05.2008, 21:45
Hum, well where do I start? Perhaps at the beginning. As I may have mentioned elsewhere I am an engineer by employment and career, it may come as no surprise that I have a complete workshop at home as well. For those with the interest a Boxford lathe and a few other machine tools, but the lathe is the important piece here.
I looked at mouthpieces way back in 1999 when I first started learning to play, and decided, "why pay for a fancy mouthpiece when I can make one?"
Oh no it ain't that easy is it? I wish it was, nine years on, several home made disasters, and a collection of manufactured mouthpieces later, I bought a Denis Wick RW4B, perhaps the best for me up to now.
I recently bought the latest Besson Sovereign which came with an alliance 3B, which I find difficult to get to grips with. Though dimensionally is not much different than the RW4B, I find some difficulty keeping all my notes as near to on tune as possible with it. All I can say after a lot of experiment to find the mouthpiece that works for me, I haven't got there yet. Very near though, and armed now with a lot more knowledge, I just might be able to make the one true piece, who knows till I try?
Just my explanation of the trial and error for my two penny worth.
steve butler
25.05.2008, 21:48
That confirms it Nev.
You are a true Band Geek! :wink:
Aussie Tuba
27.05.2008, 06:53
I was playing on a Perrantuci and have moved over to new technology in Mouthpiece design. a loud LM-7.
http://www.loudmouthpieces.com/index.php
Loud do cornet / trumpet Mouthpeices and from my experience their claims stack up well, I won't be going back to the perrantucci or the wick.
Just got a RW3 and I can't see me needing any other mouthpiece for my cornet!
Peace
Drummer_cornetgirl91
28.07.2008, 14:40
I am currently using a Dennis Wick 4B after returning to playing cornet regularly after playing Sop most of the time using an S mouth piece. I find that since coming off Sop. and using the 4B I still have problems with misspitching and my tuning slide seems like its half a mile out. However, before I began playing Sop I used to use the Yamaha 16E that I got with my Maestro, the 16E's produce a really nice sound, However the tuning was difficult when playing higher registers. I have also breifly tried a Dennis Wick 5B which are very good, I found that it produced a nice sound and i found it easier to play higher register notes.
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