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Paddy Flower
22.03.2010, 00:45
The dust hasn't had time to settle on a the usual thrill-and-spill-fest we call 'the areas', but as you can imagine, Honest Paddy your friendly tMP bookmaker is already looking in the direction of Harrogate and the RAH.

Congrats to all those who qualified :clap::clap::clap:, here's your first look at these markets...

Championship Section
Black Dyke - 11/4 jt fav
Cory - 11/4 jt fav
Fodens - 100/30
Brighouse & Rastrick - 15/2
Leyland - 16/1
Reg Vardy - 25/1
Rothwell Temperance - 33/1
Co-op Funeralcare - 33/1
Faireys - 33/1
Desford Colliery - 40/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 40/1
Virtuosi GUS - 40/1
Tredegar - 50/1
Flowers - 50/1
Camborne Town - 100/1
Redbridge Brass - 100/1
Tongwynlais Temperance - 100/1
Aveley & Newham - 150/1
Whitburn - 150/1
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1

Paddy Flower
22.03.2010, 00:47
First Section
Freckleton - 9/2 fav
Barton Town - 11/2
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 8/1
Hebden Bridge - 9/1
Derwent - 9/1
Bournemouth Concert Brass - 10/1
Portishead Town - 10/1
Friary Guildford Brass - 12/1
Bo'ness & Carriden - 16/1
Wrexham Brass - 18/1
Pontardulais Town - 18/1
Oddfellows Brass - 20/1
Silk Brass (Macclesfield) - 33/1
Lochgelly Brass - 33/1
Langley - 40/1
Regent Brass - 40/1
Wansbeck's Ashington Colliery - 66/1
Egham - 150/1

Paddy Flower
22.03.2010, 00:49
Second Section
East London Brass - 100/30 fav
Rainford Silver - 6/1
Knottingley Silver - 9/1
Shrewton Silver - 9/1
South Yorkshire Police - 10/1
Coalburn Silver - 11/1
Filton Concert Brass - 11/1
Diggle - 12/1
Tylorstown - 14/1
Tintwistle - 16/1
Dalkeith & Monktonhall Colliery - 18/1
Becontree Brass - 18/1
Deiniolen Silver - 28/1
Alder Valley Brass - 33/1
Blidworth Welfare - 50/1
Cockerton Prize Silver - 50/1
Catterick Brass - 66/1

Paddy Flower
22.03.2010, 00:50
Third Section
Delph - 11/4 fav
Hoover (Bolton) - 5/1
Shirebrook MW Unison - 6/1
Cheshire Constabulary - 9/1
Porthywaen Silver - 14/1
Sidmouth Town - 14/1
Fulham Brass - 16/1
Goodwick Brass - 16/1
Bream Silver - 20/1
York Railway Institute - 22/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 25/1
Ferryhill Town - 25/1
Betteshanger Welfare - 33/1
Irvine & Dreghorn Brass - 33/1
Chapeltown Silver - 33/1
Llwydcoed Silver - 40/1
Kilmarnock Concert - 40/1

Paddy Flower
22.03.2010, 00:51
Fourth Section
Hazel Grove Brass - 7/2 fav
Farnworth & Walkden - 4/1
Besses' Boys - 11/2
Shipston Town - 12/1
Test Valley Brass - 14/1
Stape Silver - 14/1
Rushden Town - 16/1
Battle Town - 18/1
Downton - 22/1
Hatherleigh Silver - 22/1
Dinnington Colliery - 28/1
Market Rasen RPC - 33/1
Trentham Brass - 33/1
LGB Brass - 40/1
Upper Rhondda Brass - 40/1
Worsborough Brass - 40/1
Amersham - 40/1
Crwbin Silver - 40/1
Langholm Town - 50/1
NASUWT Riverside Concert - 50/1
Dumfries Town - 66/1

euphalogy
23.03.2010, 01:17
Fourth Section
Hazel Grove Brass - 7/2 fav
Farnworth & Walkden - 4/1
Besses' Boys - 11/2
Shipston Town - 12/1
Test Valley Brass - 14/1
Stape Silver - 14/1
Rushden Town - 16/1
Battle Town - 18/1
Downton - 22/1
Hatherleigh Silver - 22/1
Dinnington Colliery - 28/1
Market Rasen RPC - 33/1
Trentham Brass - 33/1
LGB Brass - 40/1
Upper Rhondda Brass - 40/1
Worsborough Brass - 40/1
Amersham - 40/1
Crwbin Silver - 40/1
Langholm Town - 50/1
NASUWT Riverside Concert - 50/1
Dumfries Town - 66/1



Virtual 50 ew on Market Rasen @33/1 please. I took your 100/1 last year about my old band Dronfield

Paddy Flower
23.03.2010, 12:55
Virtual 50 ew on Market Rasen @33/1 please. I took your 100/1 last year about my old band Dronfield

You took Dronfield @ 100/1 to win so unless St Breward have since been secretly disqualified, you owe me a tenner. :tongue:

In all seriousness thou, any reason for your 50 worth of confidence in Market Rasen? (no disrespect to them)

_si
23.03.2010, 14:27
fodens , diggle and hazel grove treble please!
and i'll have coop funeralcare each way too please!

Thirteen Ball
23.03.2010, 14:45
20 Tri-cast on Dyke, Cory and Fodens to fill the top 3 at the RAH, in any order please Paddy.

What odds do I land there?

Gorgie boy
23.03.2010, 15:59
First Section
Freckleton - 9/2 fav
Barton Town - 11/2
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 8/1
Hebden Bridge - 9/1
Derwent - 9/1
Bournemouth Concert Brass - 10/1
Portishead Town - 10/1
Friary Guildford Brass - 12/1
Bo'ness & Carriden - 16/1
Wrexham Brass - 18/1
Pontardulais Town - 18/1
Oddfellows Brass - 20/1
Silk Brass (Macclesfield) - 33/1
Lochgelly Brass - 33/1
Langley - 40/1
Regent Brass - 40/1
Wansbeck's Ashington Colliery - 66/1
Egham - 150/1

We're just plain old Lochgelly, not Lochgelly Brass, and I'll take 50 cyber pounds each way please!!

euphalogy
23.03.2010, 21:06
You took Dronfield @ 100/1 to win so unless St Breward have since been secretly disqualified, you owe me a tenner. :tongue:

In all seriousness thou, any reason for your 50 worth of confidence in Market Rasen? (no disrespect to them)

Nice 0ne!! many reasons for my 100 worth of confidence, players, attitude, and hard work......... as you know, bands change so so quickly at this level. :wink:

Red Elvis
24.03.2010, 11:29
I'll have another tenner on an accumulator please Paddy ( trebles if you would )
Fodens, Friary Guildford , Becontree and Fulham.

In a separate bet , and in a spirit of London - based solidarity I'll have another tenner on East London and Regent in their respective sections :)

satchmo101
25.03.2010, 15:55
First Section
Freckleton - 9/2 fav
Barton Town - 11/2
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 8/1
Hebden Bridge - 9/1
Derwent - 9/1
Bournemouth Concert Brass - 10/1
Portishead Town - 10/1
Friary Guildford Brass - 12/1
Bo'ness & Carriden - 16/1
Wrexham Brass - 18/1
Pontardulais Town - 18/1
Oddfellows Brass - 20/1
Silk Brass (Macclesfield) - 33/1
Lochgelly Brass - 33/1
Langley - 40/1
Regent Brass - 40/1
Wansbeck's Ashington Colliery - 66/1
Egham - 150/1

Hope this is as reliable as the Area betting spread !!!

First Section
Vernon Building Society Poynton - 11/2 jt fav
Timperley - 11/2 jt fav
Freckleton - 6/1
Oldham (Lees) - 13/2
Wardle Anderson Brass - 15/2
Bollington Brass - 12/1
Manx Concert Brass - 16/1
Poulton-le-Fylde - 18/1
Longridge - 25/1
Silk Brass (Macclesfield) - 28/1
Mossley - 66/1
Haydock - 66/1
Tyldesley - 66/1

pags
25.03.2010, 16:57
The dust hasn't had time to settle on a the usual thrill-and-spill-fest we call 'the areas', but as you can imagine, Honest Paddy your friendly tMP bookmaker is already looking in the direction of Harrogate and the RAH.

Congrats to all those who qualified :clap::clap::clap:, here's your first look at these markets...

Championship Section
Black Dyke - 11/4 jt fav
Cory - 11/4 jt fav
Fodens - 100/30
Brighouse & Rastrick - 15/2
Leyland - 16/1
Reg Vardy - 25/1
Rothwell Temperance - 33/1
Co-op Funeralcare - 33/1
Faireys - 33/1
Desford Colliery - 40/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 40/1
Virtuosi GUS - 40/1
Tredegar - 50/1
Flowers - 50/1
Camborne Town - 100/1
Redbridge Brass - 100/1
Tongwynlais Temperance - 100/1
Aveley & Newham - 150/1
Whitburn - 150/1
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1

Right, here's the spinny - I reckon I have the bare bones of a plan to make a virtual million. Put me down for 2000 nuggets on the fine chaps and chappesses of NASUWT Riverside. 2000 little ones at 500-1 makes me One Million exactly. Now all I have to do is hatch a plan to nobble all of the other contenders attending the big cake tin in the city.

Assuming the odds are correct, it would take a musical miracle not yet known to man for Riverside to beat the likes of Frodens, White Ditch and those chappies from Carey so here's my plan.............

The only way to grab the title and my millions is to stop all the other bands from getting there. I envisage getting support from the NASUWT union to call a strike on the weekend of 8th October. A simultaneous protest crawl to London (as opposed to a march) will then take on every major motorway link to London with the pace of crawl set to delay the arrival of every other competing band until late Saturday evening. I reckon I can cover most of the northern motorways but need some help for those around the M4, M3,M40 and especially the roads in London. Just a tad worried that Blacktunnel, Savely & Oldpork could sneak in around the back roads - happy to share the virtual winnings if anyone has any ideas - what do you think? ;)

Red Elvis
25.03.2010, 17:00
Right, here's the spinny - I reckon I have the bare bones of a plan to make a virtual million. Put me down for 2000 nuggets on the fine chaps and chappesses of NASUWT Riverside. 2000 little ones at 500-1 makes me One Million exactly. Now all I have to do is hatch a plan to nobble all of the other contenders attending the big cake tin in the city.

Assuming the odds are correct, it would take a musical miracle not yet known to man for Riverside to beat the likes of Frodens, White Ditch and those chappies from Carey so here's my plan.............

The only way to grab the title and my millions is to stop all the other bands from getting there. I envisage getting support from the NASUWT union to call a strike on the weekend of 8th October. A simultaneous protest crawl to London (as opposed to a march) will then take on every major motorway link to London with the pace of crawl set to delay the arrival of every other competing band until late Saturday evening. I reckon I can cover most of the northern motorways but need some help for those around the M4, M3,M40 and especially the roads in London. Just a tad worried that Blacktunnel, Savely & Oldpork could sneak in around the back roads - happy to share the virtual winnings if anyone has any ideas - what do you think? ;)


You are on Pags ! I'll bring London Region Unison out in solidarity with the NASUWT which should nicely paralyse local government for the day !!

pags
25.03.2010, 17:08
You are on Pags ! I'll bring London Region Unison out in solidarity with the NASUWT which should nicely paralyse local government for the day !!

Excellent, lets up the stake to 4000 and we'll share the winnings. My formerative years were spent playing for Soham Comrades and I reckon I can call in a few favours from the farmers union as well - That's got the M11 covered now - millionaires by christmas!!! :clap:

Red Elvis
25.03.2010, 17:16
Excellent, lets up the stake to 4000 and we'll share the winnings. My formerative years were spent playing for Soham Comrades and I reckon I can call in a few favours from the farmers union as well - That's got the M11 covered now - millionaires by christmas!!! :clap:


Right on Brother !! A Million notes and socialist utopia in one easy step !!!. There is a historical precedent - the Contest Secretary of Vladivostok Tractor Factory Number 17 Welfare Silver Band ( one VI Lenin ) utilised a similar tactic for the Petrograd Own-Choice + Hymn Tune Contest of November 1917. Worked out quite well I believe !

Paddy Flower
25.03.2010, 18:00
Hmm..

I love the creative thinking behind your plan and much as i'd hate to burst your bubble, but, in such an eventuality 'Rule 4' would (of course) apply :biggrin:

Back to the drawing board gents

(thanks for the virtual 4,000 by the way chaps, should cover the maintenance payments for a few months) :tup

pags
25.03.2010, 18:14
Hmm..

I love the creative thinking behind your plan and much as i'd hate to burst your bubble, but, in such an eventuality 'Rule 4' would (of course) apply :biggrin:

Back to the drawing board gents

(thanks for the virtual 4,000 by the way chaps, should cover the maintenance payments for a few months) :tup

boo hiss! ya boo sucks! :mad: I ain't finished with this one yet - off to find a board to draw on..................... super glue and dressing room doors might be a starter...........

Pav
25.03.2010, 19:35
No Rule 4 on ante post bets is there? Goes into typical bookie rant. ;)

Mrs Fruity
25.03.2010, 19:43
boo hiss! ya boo sucks! :mad: I ain't finished with this one yet - off to find a board to draw on..................... super glue and dressing room doors might be a starter...........

Tsk tsk Marky Marky!!! How unsporting! Congratulations, good luck and see you in Blackpool!:clap:

Paddy Flower
25.03.2010, 21:19
No Rule 4 on ante post bets is there? Goes into typical bookie rant. ;)

I'm known to be wrong (a lot) but I would question that this is an ante-post market?
We know the full line-ups afterall :rolleyes:

Pav
25.03.2010, 21:26
I'm known to be wrong (a lot) but I would question that this is an ante-post market?
We know the full line-ups afterall :rolleyes:

Depends on whether Pags' plan works!

Jethro
25.03.2010, 21:44
virtual 100 quid on Dinnington to finish in top 3 of the fourth What odds mate?;)

tojo
25.03.2010, 22:28
Hmm..

I love the creative thinking behind your plan and much as i'd hate to burst your bubble, but, in such an eventuality 'Rule 4' would (of course) apply :biggrin:

Back to the drawing board gents

(thanks for the virtual 4,000 by the way chaps, should cover the maintenance payments for a few months) :tup


your ex takes virtual cash , you jammy sod

geordiecolin
26.03.2010, 11:35
You are on Pags ! I'll bring London Region Unison out in solidarity with the NASUWT which should nicely paralyse local government for the day !!

Local Government paralysed? On the weekend? Whatever happened POETS?!!

Laserbeam bass
26.03.2010, 21:29
millionaires by christmas!!! :clap:

Have you checked the small print on the max payout for Band contests.

One rule of punting, always check the small print, otherwise you may end up lumping on something quite unnecessarily that will only payout a fraction of what you were expecting



Right on Brother !! A Million notes and socialist utopia in one easy step !!!. There is a historical precedent - the Contest Secretary of Vladivostok Tractor Factory Number 17 Welfare Silver Band ( one VI Lenin ) utilised a similar tactic for the Petrograd Own-Choice + Hymn Tune Contest of November 1917. Worked out quite well I believe !

Surely the point of socialism is to share. If you are bringing a whole union out, then the share would be somewhat less, or am I getting confused with Communism :confused:

basebonetone
27.03.2010, 09:20
Virtual 50 on Kingy doing his magic again with brighouse-bargain!

euphymike
30.03.2010, 12:54
brass bands asides. i see you suffer from the same affliction as me? LEEDS United!

lynchie
30.03.2010, 13:01
Surely the point of socialism is to share. If you are bringing a whole union out, then the share would be somewhat less, or am I getting confused with Communism :confused:

He's a champagne socialist, that one.

Red Elvis
30.03.2010, 13:04
He's a champagne socialist, that one.

No I'm not !!
I'm a beer bolshevik !!

Thirteen Ball
30.03.2010, 17:53
No I'm not !!
I'm a beer bolshevik !!

And I always had you down as more of a menshavik....

euphymike
20.04.2010, 13:22
What are the odds on it all being called off due to Volcanic dust jamming up the instrument valves.

Or even worse having to wear a smog mask when queuing to get into Betty tea rooms in Harrogate?

Kjata
21.04.2010, 19:07
20 on Dyke, Brighouse, Cory and Foden's in that order if you please Mr Flower?!
What are the odds?

Laserbeam bass
22.04.2010, 19:46
What are the odds on it all being called off due to Volcanic dust jamming up the instrument valves.

Or even worse having to wear a smog mask when queuing to get into Betty tea rooms in Harrogate?

Now there's an idea a set of novelty bets

Draw numbers:
The total of the draw numbers of the first three in the results.

Most winners from regions:

Hiighest draw number to win
Lowest draw number to win
Ranges

Laserbeam bass
12.05.2010, 19:14
As all of the pieces are relatively new, how about a spread on the number of errata that will be found per section?

Alternatively a straight unders/overs market.

JesTperfect!
13.05.2010, 13:09
20 on Dyke, Brighouse, Cory and Foden's in that order

In that order? Are you mad?

Have a word with yourself, Shafi! :p

Kjata
13.05.2010, 13:53
In that order? Are you mad?

Have a word with yourself, Shafi! :p

You're right jess, but that was written when I didn't know what the pieces were.... Briggy, Dyke, Cory, Fodens!!
Better Jess??
Ps. God I hate chemistry...:(
Heaven forbid that Dyke don't win, I'd cry!! ;)

astreet83
13.05.2010, 14:47
10 on both Midlands 2nd section bands each way please.

Paddy Flower
20.05.2010, 15:45
For a myriad of different reasons (mostly contest results) there's been a fair few swings in these markets, here's the latest...

Championship Section
Cory - 9/4 fav (from 11/4)
Foden's - 100/30
Black Dyke - 4/1 (11/4)
Brighouse & Rastrick - 7/1 (15/2)
Leyland - 16/1
Tredegar - 20/1 (50/1)
Rothwell Temperance - 33/1
Co-op Funeralcare - 33/1
Faireys - 33/1
Tongwynlais Temperance - 40/1 (100/1)
Desford Colliery - 40/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 40/1
Virtuosi GUS - 40/1
Redbridge Brass - 50/1 (100/1)
Flowers - 50/1
Reg Vardy - 66/1 (25/1)
Camborne Town - 150/1 (100/1)
Whitburn - 150/1
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1
Aveley & Newham - 500/1 (150/1)

Paddy Flower
20.05.2010, 15:46
First Section
Freckleton - 9/2 fav
Friary Guildford Brass - 5/1 (from 12/1)
Barton Town - 6/1 (11/2)
Wrexham Brass - 7/1 (18/1)
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 8/1
Portishead Town - 11/1 (10/1)
Bournemouth Concert Brass - 11/1 (10/1)
Derwent - 16/1 (9/1)
Pontardulais Town - 18/1
Oddfellows Brass - 20/1
Bo'ness & Carriden - 25/1 (16/1)
Hebden Bridge - 28/1 (9/1)
Regent Brass - 33/1 (40/1)
Silk Brass (Macclesfield) - 33/1
Lochgelly - 33/1
Langley - 40/1
Wansbeck's Ashington Colliery - 66/1
Egham - 150/1

Paddy Flower
20.05.2010, 15:47
Second Section
Rainford Silver - 11/2 fav (from 6/1)
East London Brass - 6/1 (100/30)
Shrewton Silver - 15/2 (9/1)
South Yorkshire Police - 8/1 (10/1)
Diggle - 10/1 (12/1)
Tylorstown - 11/1 (14/1)
Coalburn Silver - 12/1 (11/1)
Filton Concert Brass - 14/1 (11/1)
Tintwistle - 14/1 (16/1)
Dalkeith & Monktonhall Colliery - 14/1 (18/1)
Becontree Brass - 14/1 (18/1)
Knottingley Silver - 16/1 (9/1)
Deiniolen Silver - 22/1 (28/1)
Alder Valley Brass - 25/1 (33/1)
Blidworth Welfare - 33/1 (50/1)
Cockerton Prize Silver - 40/1 (50/1)
Catterick Brass - 50/1 (66/1)

Paddy Flower
20.05.2010, 15:47
Third Section
Delph - 11/4 fav
Hoover (Bolton) - 9/2 (from 5/1)
Shirebrook MW Unison - 11/2 (6/1)
Cheshire Constabulary - 9/1
Porthywaen Silver - 14/1
Sidmouth Town - 14/1
Fulham Brass - 16/1
Goodwick Brass - 16/1
York Railway Institute - 20/1 (22/1)
Bream Silver - 20/1
Ferryhill Town - 25/1
Betteshanger Welfare - 33/1
Chapeltown Silver - 33/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 33/1 (25/1)
Irvine & Dreghorn Brass - 40/1 (33/1)
Llwydcoed Silver - 40/1
Kilmarnock Concert - 40/1

Paddy Flower
20.05.2010, 15:48
Fourth Section
Hazel Grove Brass - 11/4 fav (from 7/2)
Farnworth & Walkden - 9/2 (4/1)
Besses' Boys - 7/1 (11/2)
Shipston Town - 11/1 (12/1)
Test Valley Brass - 14/1
Stape Silver - 14/1
Rushden Town - 16/1
Battle Town - 18/1
Downton - 20/1 (22/1)
Hatherleigh Silver - 22/1
Dinnington Colliery - 28/1
Market Rasen RPC - 28/1 (33/1)
Upper Rhondda Brass - 40/1
Worsborough Brass - 40/1
Amersham - 40/1
Crwbin Silver - 40/1
Langholm Town - 50/1
NASUWT Riverside Concert - 50/1
Dumfries Town - 50/1 (66/1)
LGB Brass - 66/1 (40/1)
Trentham Brass - 66/1 (33/1)

Paddy Flower
01.06.2010, 14:12
Albert Hall latest, The Masters have had a big effect...

Championship Section
Cory - 9/4 fav
Fodens - 100/30
Black Dyke - 4/1
Brighouse & Rastrick - 7/1
Tredegar - 14/1 (from 20/1) continuing to threaten
Leyland - 16/1
Co-op Funeralcare - 18/1 (33/1) following excellent Kettering win
Virtuosi GUS - 28/1 (40/1) any one who had a good day
Rothwell Temperance - 33/1
Faireys - 33/1
Tongwynlais Temperance - 40/1
Desford Colliery - 40/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 40/1
Flowers - 50/1
Camborne Town - 150/1
Whitburn - 150/1
Redbridge Brass - 200/1 (50/1) bad day
Reg Vardy - 350/1 (66/1) very bad day
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1
Aveley & Newham - 500/1

Laserbeam bass
01.06.2010, 16:45
What are you quoting on Redbridge top 6 finish?

Paddy Flower
28.06.2010, 14:30
Preston aftermath...

Championship Section
Cory - 11/5 fav (from 9/4)
Black Dyke - 7/2 (4/1)
Fodens - 6/1 (100/30)
Brighouse & Rastrick - 13/2 (7/1)
Tredegar - 14/1
Faireys - 16/1 (33/1)
Leyland - 18/1 (16/1)
Co-op Funeralcare - 20/1 (18/1)
Rothwell Temperance - 22/1 (33/1)
Virtuosi GUS - 28/1
Tongwynlais Temperance - 33/1 (40/1)
Desford Colliery - 40/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 40/1
Flowers - 50/1
Camborne Town - 100/1 (150/1)
Reg Vardy - 150/1 (350/1)
Whitburn - 150/1
Redbridge Brass - 200/1
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1
Aveley & Newham - 500/1

Neillyboy
19.08.2010, 01:13
100 virtual coins on kilmarnock to beat irvine and dreghorn and betteshanger in the 3rd section. 100 each way.

Paddy Flower
21.08.2010, 18:41
Now that the predictors are having their say, time for a quick update...

Championship Section
Cory - 2/1 fav (from 11/5)
Black Dyke - 100/30 (7/2)
Brighouse & Rastrick - 11/2 (13/2)
Fodens - 6/1
Tredegar - 16/1 (14/1)
Faireys - 18/1 (16/1)
Leyland - 22/1 (18/1)
Rothwell Temperance - 22/1
Co-op Funeralcare - 25/1 (20/1)
Virtuosi GUS - 33/1 (28/1)
Tongwynlais Temperance - 40/1 (33/1)
Desford Colliery - 40/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 50/1 (40/1)
Flowers - 50/1
Camborne Town - 150/1 (100/1)
Reg Vardy - 150/1
Whitburn - 200/1 (150/1)
Redbridge Brass - 350/1 (200/1)
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1
Aveley & Newham - 500/1

Paddy Flower
21.08.2010, 18:42
First Section
Freckleton - 100/30 fav (from 9/2) it's all about them at the moment
Barton Town - 6/1
Friary Guildford Brass - 6/1 (5/1)
Wrexham Brass - 8/1 (7/1)
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 9/1 (8/1)
Bournemouth Concert Brass - 11/1
Portishead Town - 11/1
Derwent - 14/1 (16/1)
Pontardulais Town - 20/1 (18/1)
Hebden Bridge - 22/1 (28/1)
Oddfellows Brass - 25/1 (20/1)
Bo'ness & Carriden - 33/1 (25/1)
Silk Brass (Macclesfield) - 33/1
Regent Brass - 40/1 (33/1)
Lochgelly - 40/1 (33/1)
Wansbeck's Ashington Colliery - 50/1 (66/1)
Langley - 50/1 (40/1)
Egham - 150/1

Paddy Flower
21.08.2010, 18:42
Second Section
Rainford Silver - 11/2 fav
East London Brass - 6/1
Diggle - 15/2 (from 10/1)
South Yorkshire Police - 15/2 (8/1)
Shrewton Silver - 9/1 (15/2)
Deiniolen Silver - 11/1 (22/1) could they be my Dronfield for this year, popular early on
Tylorstown - 12/1 (11/1)
Coalburn Silver - 14/1 (12/1)
Becontree Brass - 14/1
Filton Concert Brass - 16/1 (14/1)
Tintwistle - 16/1 (14/1)
Dalkeith & Monktonhall Colliery - 18/1 (14/1)
Knottingley Silver - 18/1 (16/1)
Alder Valley Brass - 28/1 (25/1)
Blidworth Welfare - 40/1 (33/1)
Cockerton Prize Silver - 40/1
Catterick Brass - 50/1

Paddy Flower
21.08.2010, 18:43
Third Section
Delph - 3/1 fav (from 11/4)
Hoover (Bolton) - 9/2
Shirebrook MW Unison - 6/1 (11/2)
Cheshire Constabulary - 13/2 (9/1)
Fulham Brass - 10/1 (16/1)
Goodwick Brass - 16/1
Porthywaen Silver - 16/1 (14/1)
Sidmouth Town - 18/1 (14/1)
York Railway Institute - 22/1 (20/1)
Bream Silver - 25/1 (20/1)
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 25/1 (33/1)
Ferryhill Town - 33/1 (25/1)
Chapeltown Silver - 33/1
Kilmarnock Concert - 33/1 (40/1)
Betteshanger Welfare - 33/1
Llwydcoed Silver - 50/1 (40/1)
Irvine & Dreghorn Brass - 50/1 (40/1)

Paddy Flower
21.08.2010, 18:44
Fourth Section
Hazel Grove Brass - 11/4 fav
Farnworth & Walkden - 5/1 (from 9/2)
Besses' Boys - 6/1 (7/1)
Test Valley Brass - 10/1 (14/1)
Shipston Town - 14/1 (11/1)
Battle Town - 14/1 (18/1)
Stape Silver - 16/1 (14/1)
Dinnington Colliery - 18/1 (28/1)
Rushden Town - 18/1 (16/1)
Upper Rhondda Brass - 25/1 (40/1)
Downton - 28/1 (20/1)
Hatherleigh Silver - 28/1 (22/1)
NASUWT Riverside Concert - 33/1 (50/1)
Market Rasen RPC - 40/1 (28/1) can't take a virtual 50 into account
Crwbin Silver - 40/1
Worsborough Brass - 40/1
Amersham - 50/1 (40/1)
Langholm Town - 66/1 (50/1)
Dumfries Town - 66/1 (50/1)
LGB Brass - 66/1
Trentham Brass - 100/1 (66/1)

euphalogy
21.08.2010, 19:14
Fourth Section
Hazel Grove Brass - 11/4 fav
Farnworth & Walkden - 5/1 (from 9/2)
Besses' Boys - 6/1 (7/1)
Test Valley Brass - 10/1 (14/1)
Shipston Town - 14/1 (11/1)
Battle Town - 14/1 (18/1)
Stape Silver - 16/1 (14/1)
Dinnington Colliery - 18/1 (28/1)
Rushden Town - 18/1 (16/1)
Upper Rhondda Brass - 25/1 (40/1)
Downton - 28/1 (20/1)
Hatherleigh Silver - 28/1 (22/1)
NASUWT Riverside Concert - 33/1 (50/1)
Market Rasen RPC - 40/1 (28/1) can't take a virtual 50 into account
Crwbin Silver - 40/1
Worsborough Brass - 40/1
Amersham - 50/1 (40/1)
Langholm Town - 66/1 (50/1)
Dumfries Town - 66/1 (50/1)
LGB Brass - 66/1
Trentham Brass - 100/1 (66/1)


Virtual 50 each way Market Rasen for top 6!(My Band) i had Dronfield last year at 100/1 (My old Band)

Neillyboy
24.08.2010, 02:07
20 each way on all the scottish bands

Paddy Flower
06.09.2010, 15:30
A post-Birmingham update

Championship Section
Cory - 9/4 fav (from 2/1)
Black Dyke - 11/4 (100/30) for a first hat-trick since Desford '89
Fodens - 5/1 (6/1)
Brighouse & Rastrick - 6/1 (11/2)
Faireys - 10/1 (18/1)
Tredegar - 10/1 (16/1) expect this price to come in once the tipsters get going - 6/1 on the day wouldn't surprise me
Rothwell Temperance - 18/1 (22/1)
Leyland - 33/1 (22/1)
Desford Colliery - 40/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 50/1
Co-op Funeralcare - 50/1 (25/1)
Virtuosi GUS - 66/1 (33/1)
Flowers - 66/1 (50/1)
Tongwynlais Temperance - 100/1 (40/1)
Redbridge Brass - 200/1 (350/1)
Camborne Town - 200/1 (150/1)
Reg Vardy - 200/1 (150/1)
Aveley & Newham - 250/1 (500/1)
Whitburn - 350/1 (200/1)
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1

GJG
06.09.2010, 17:07
Black Dyke - 11/4 (100/30) for a first hat-trick since Desford '89


I'm confused; I openly admit to knowing absolutely about bookmaking, and having no understanding of "odds", however the mathematician in me wants to know: Why wouldn't 100/30 be more properly expressed as 10/3?

Paddy Flower
06.09.2010, 17:31
I'm confused; I openly admit to knowing absolutely about bookmaking, and having no understanding of "odds", however the mathematician in me wants to know: Why wouldn't 100/30 be more properly expressed as 10/3?

I can't remember which thread it's on but Laserbeam Bass answered this one a few months ago. I remember it had something to do with days gone by when nearly all odds were quoted as 100/something, the idea being you had to put 'x' down to 100 (i.e. 100/7, meant bet 7 win 100).

Pav
06.09.2010, 17:36
I think it's just convention, the only other price that I can think of where it occurs is 6/4 (3/2). I suppose someone would also have to come up with new rhyming slang (Berlington Bertie = 100/30).

Don't know how much truth there is it but I have been told that fractional odds were easier to work out pre decimalisation.

Wouldn't 30d be 2s6d? So maybe some truth in it.

wittig
14.09.2010, 17:45
I think it could be a good year for LSC bands, I'll stick a cheeky 10 on Friary Guildford, East London and Betteshanger all to get placed.

Laserbeam bass
14.09.2010, 20:39
I think it could be a good year for LSC bands, I'll stick a cheeky 10 on Friary Guildford, East London and Betteshanger all to get placed.

Ye of little faith, at least go each way :eek:

Euphjam
15.09.2010, 00:17
A sneaky tenner on Langholm in the fourth please. (composer at the helm).:clap:

Straightmute
15.09.2010, 00:37
With those odds I'll put a tenner each way on Catterick Brass in the second. A new band but they were awesome in the Areas and stormed to a win at Buxton.

All bets off for the third and first sections though!

D

Simon_Horn
16.09.2010, 00:59
I think it could be a good year for LSC bands, I'll stick a cheeky 10 on Friary Guildford, East London and Betteshanger all to get placed.

I agree with the first part of the statement! ...but i'm thinking more Friary (1st), East London (2nd), Fulham (3rd) :)

wittig
16.09.2010, 10:50
I agree with the first part of the statement! ...but i'm thinking more Friary (1st), East London (2nd), Fulham (3rd) :)

Lets wait and see. :tup

Laserbeam bass
16.09.2010, 15:11
I agree with the first part of the statement! ...but i'm thinking more Friary (1st), East London (2nd), Fulham (3rd) :)


Lets wait and see. :tup

There's enough places on the podium for both your bands.

Paddy,

Can I have a 2.00 swinger* on Fulham and Betteshanger please.

*For those of you who aren't really gamblers but like a virtual flutter, a swinger is a tote bet where your selections need to place anywhere in the first three

AndyCat
16.09.2010, 15:19
I think my money is on Barton in the 1st section. No idea why we (Freckleton) are favourites, perhaps when we get a full band next week sometime I might agree, but shots in the dark springs to mind!

Paddy Flower
16.09.2010, 18:46
There's enough places on the podium for both your bands.

Paddy,

Can I have a 2.00 swinger* on Fulham and Betteshanger please.


I'm sure I caught a dose off of a 2.00 swinger once... :oops:


I think my money is on Barton in the 1st section. No idea why we (Freckleton) are favourites, perhaps when we get a full band next week sometime I might agree, but shots in the dark springs to mind!

Hmmm, really :rolleyes:

Laserbeam bass
16.09.2010, 21:19
I'm sure I caught a dose off of a 2.00 swinger once... :oops:



Hmmm, really :rolleyes:

No, only joking. I'm still waiting for the quote for Redbridge Top 6 at the RAH next month.

I'll quote myself a price and see if we are anywhere near each other.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport//furniture/in_depth/other_sports/2001/derby_epsom/tic_tac/33-1.jpg

Paddy Flower
17.09.2010, 11:27
No, only joking. I'm still waiting for the quote for Redbridge Top 6 at the RAH next month.

I'll quote myself a price and see if we are anywhere near each other.



I didn't know Borat was a bookmaker.

OK Redbridge top 6:

10/1

waynefiler
17.09.2010, 17:38
With those odds I'll put a tenner each way on Catterick Brass in the second. A new band but they were awesome in the Areas and stormed to a win at Buxton.

All bets off for the third and first sections though!

D

I agree with you David, bands need to watch out for Catterick.

Oh, and come on David, 10 on Friary?

Anyroad, Cumulator for me, 50p on Friary and Catterick to win

Paddy Flower
17.09.2010, 18:19
A little over a week to go to Harrogate and then London a few weeks after that. The Lower Sections in particular are proving quite volatile markets with wildly differing views. Time for an update me thinks...

Championship Section
Black Dyke - 9/4 jt fav (from 11/4)
Cory - 9/4 jt fav
Fodens - 11/2 (5/1)
Brighouse & Rastrick - 6/1
Faireys - 10/1
Tredegar - 12/1 (10/1) obviously people haven't revisited their predictions since the Open
Rothwell Temperance - 18/1
Leyland - 40/1 (33/1)
Tongwynlais Temperance - 50/1 (100/1)
Desford Colliery - 66/1 (40/1)
Co-op Funeralcare - 66/1 (50/1)
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 100/1 (50/1)
Virtuosi GUS - 100/1 (66/1)
Flowers - 100/1 (66/1)
Camborne Town - 200/1
Redbridge Brass - 200/1
Reg Vardy - 250/1 (200/1)
Whitburn - 350/1
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1
Aveley & Newham - 500/1 (250/1)

Winning Region
Yorkshire - Evens
Wales - 6/4
North-West - 11/4
Midlands - 33/1
Scotland - 50/1
West - 66/1
L&SC - 150/1
North - 200/1

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Paddy Flower
17.09.2010, 18:20
First Section
Freckleton - 2/1 fav (from 100/30) they don't believe you andycat!!!
Barton Town - 5/1 (6/1)
Friary Guildford Brass - 15/2 (6/1)
Bournemouth Concert Brass - 12/1 (11/1)
Hebden Bridge - 14/1 (22/1) there's quite a gamble on these guys now
Derwent - 14/1
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 14/1 (9/1)
Wrexham Brass - 16/1 (8/1)
Silk Brass (Macclesfield) - 18/1 (33/1)
Portishead Town - 20/1 (11/1)
Pontardulais Town - 20/1
Bo'ness & Carriden - 20/1 (33/1)
Langley - 40/1 (50/1)
Oddfellows Brass - 40/1 (25/1)
Regent Brass - 40/1
Lochgelly - 66/1 (40/1)
Wansbeck's Ashington Colliery - 100/1 (50/1)
Egham - 250/1 (150/1)

Winning Region
North-West - 13/8
North - 9/2
L&SC - 6/1
Yorkshire - 13/2
West - 7/1
Midlands - 15/2
Wales - 8/1
Scotland - 16/1

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Paddy Flower
17.09.2010, 18:21
Second Section
Rainford Silver - 4/1 jt fav (from 11/2)
East London Brass - 4/1 jt fav (6/1)
South Yorkshire Police - 6/1 (15/2)
Diggle - 6/1 (15/2)
Deiniolen Silver - 11/1
Knottingley Silver - 16/1 (18/1)
Shrewton Silver - 16/1 (9/1) a puzzling lack of interest in the Wiltshiremen, I think they've got an excellent chance
Becontree Brass - 18/1 (14/1)
Tylorstown - 18/1 (12/1)
Filton Concert Brass - 18/1 (16/1)
Catterick Brass - 25/1 (50/1) attracting a few bets now
Tintwistle - 28/1 (16/1)
Coalburn Silver - 28/1 (14/1)
Dalkeith & Monktonhall Colliery - 33/1 (18/1)
Blidworth Welfare - 40/1
Alder Valley Brass - 40/1 (28/1)
Cockerton Prize Silver - 66/1 (40/1)

Winning Region
North-West - 15/8
L&SC - 5/2
Yorkshire - 4/1
Wales - 13/2
West - 8/1
Scotland - 14/1
Midlands - 16/1
North - 18/1

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Paddy Flower
17.09.2010, 18:22
Third Section
Delph - 5/2 fav (from 3/1)
Hoover (Bolton) - 4/1 (9/2)
Cheshire Constabulary - 6/1 (13/2)
Fulham Brass - 8/1 (10/1)
Shirebrook MW Unison - 8/1 (6/1)
York Railway Institute - 14/1 (22/1)
Goodwick Brass - 18/1 (16/1)
Porthywaen Silver - 20/1 (16/1)
Bream Silver - 28/1 (25/1)
Sidmouth Town - 28/1 (18/1)
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 28/1 (25/1)
Chapeltown Silver - 33/1
Kilmarnock Concert - 33/1
Betteshanger Welfare - 40/1 (33/1)
Llwydcoed Silver - 50/1
Ferryhill Town - 50/1 (33/1)
Irvine & Dreghorn Brass - 66/1 (50/1)

Winning Region
North-West - 8/13
Midlands - 11/2
L&SC - 13/2
North - 11/1
West - 12/1
Wales - 14/1
Yorkshire - 14/1
Scotland - 22/1

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Paddy Flower
17.09.2010, 18:23
Fourth Section
Hazel Grove Brass - 11/4 fav
Besses' Boys - 13/2 (6/1)
Dinnington Colliery - 13/2 (18/1) a HUGE gamble on Sue Perkin's new best mates
Farnworth & Walkden - 9/1 (5/1)
NASUWT Riverside Concert - 12/1 (33/1) another one being backed like it's going out of fashion
Test Valley Brass - 12/1 (10/1)
Battle Town - 14/1
Stape Silver - 18/1 (16/1)
Upper Rhondda Brass - 22/1 (25/1)
Shipston Town - 22/1 (14/1)
Market Rasen RPC - 28/1 (40/1)
Rushden Town - 28/1 (18/1)
Downton - 33/1 (28/1)
Hatherleigh Silver - 40/1 (28/1)
LGB Brass - 40/1 (66/1)
Worsborough Brass - 40/1
Amersham - 40/1 (50/1)
Dumfries Town - 50/1 (66/1)
Trentham Brass - 66/1 (100/1)
Crwbin Silver - 66/1 (40/1)
Langholm Town - 100/1 (66/1)

Winning Region
North-West - Evens
Yorkshire - 11/2
North - 13/2
Midlands - 7/1
West - 7/1
L&SC - 15/2
Wales - 22/1
Scotland - 33/1

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Paddy Flower
17.09.2010, 18:28
You don't need too keen an eye to spot that we have 4 North-West favourites out of 4 for Harrogate. Is a clean-sweep on ?

NW 4 out of 4...

22/1

Laserbeam bass
18.09.2010, 18:36
I didn't know Borat was a bookmaker.

OK Redbridge top 6:

10/1

Split the difference at 20/1 and I'll have a tenner :confused:

Mujician
19.09.2010, 17:36
What do you base your odds on?

Laserbeam bass
19.09.2010, 19:11
What do you base your odds on?

Me or Paddy?

Paddy's is generally well thought out, and coincides with a full knowledge of running books for numerous events. Mine is based purely on winding up said bookmaker, and trying to squeeze the virtual profit out of the virtual bookmaker. If I was seriollsy considering a punt on the bet, I would have asked for top 10, and get quoted about 3/1, although probably closer to 2/1. Again I would ask for at least 4/1, and get knocked back. This would be based on the fact that no L&SC band has finished top 6 since 1989.

;)

Tim Pritchard
19.09.2010, 20:05
I have Freck and Friary for a good battle for the top honours in the first section. With Andy Cat on bass for that piece i'd just give Freck the edge. Give my regards to Paul and the band.

Simon_Horn
20.09.2010, 00:19
This would be based on the fact that no L&SC band has finished top 6 since 1989.

;)

That's not true! Enfield and Potters Bar (EMMPB) won the 4th section nationals in 2005!

Simon_Horn
20.09.2010, 00:21
I have Freck and Friary for a good battle for the top honours in the first section. With Andy Cat on bass for that piece i'd just give Freck the edge. Give my regards to Paul and the band.

I really do think that Friary Guilford have a great chance to win the 1st seciton. My money is with them.

Simon

Tim Pritchard
20.09.2010, 09:03
Me or Paddy?

This would be based on the fact that no L&SC band has finished top 6 since 1989.

;)

And Jersey won the Third Section National Title in 2005.

Paddy Flower
20.09.2010, 11:45
Split the difference at 20/1 and I'll have a tenner :confused:


Me or Paddy?

Paddy's is generally well thought out, and coincides with a full knowledge of running books for numerous events. Mine is based purely on winding up said bookmaker, and trying to squeeze the virtual profit out of the virtual bookmaker. If I was seriollsy considering a punt on the bet, I would have asked for top 10, and get quoted about 3/1, although probably closer to 2/1. Again I would ask for at least 4/1, and get knocked back. This would be based on the fact that no L&SC band has finished top 6 since 1989.

;)

Even though you've given away your whole negotiation strategy in public :tongue: i'll give you 12/1 on top 6 and 5/2 on top 10


That's not true! Enfield and Potters Bar (EMMPB) won the 4th section nationals in 2005!


And Jersey won the Third Section National Title in 2005.

I think Laserbeam meant L&SC's record in the Championship Section

Laserbeam bass
20.09.2010, 16:05
That's not true! Enfield and Potters Bar (EMMPB) won the 4th section nationals in 2005!

It is for the Championship section, which my bet was based on.

Laserbeam bass
20.09.2010, 16:05
And Jersey won the Third Section National Title in 2005.

See above

Laserbeam bass
20.09.2010, 16:07
Even though you've given away your whole negotiation strategy in public :tongue: i'll give you 12/1 on top 6 and 5/2 on top 10





I think Laserbeam meant L&SC's record in the Championship Section

I did, and I thank you.

I have openly given away part of my negotiation strategy. Still I got the prices I was looking for so I'll have a tenner on each please.

Actually I'll go dutch

4.24 on Top 6
15.76 on Top 10
Top 10 = 35.15 profit
Top 6 = 70.30 profit

This bet is sponsored by Oddschecker Dutching Calculator

Paddy Flower
20.09.2010, 16:25
I did, and I thank you.

I have openly given away part of my negotiation strategy. Still I got the prices I was looking for so I'll have a tenner on each please.

Actually I'll go dutch

4.24 on Top 6
15.76 on Top 10
Top 10 = 35.15 profit
Top 6 = 70.30 profit

This bet is sponsored by Oddschecker Dutching Calculator

I'll have to check your virtual account, i'm sure you owe me a few quid (and you're gonna owe me a few more after RAH me thinks)

p.s. Good Luck at Harrogate this weekend :)
p.p.s. You're still not in my fantasy league yet, WHY NOT?? :mad:

This rant is sponsored by Valium - 'cos why should rest-home patients have all the fun

Simon_Horn
21.09.2010, 02:54
And Jersey won the Third Section National Title in 2005.

Sorry, I wasn't including any French bands! .... hehe... only joking mate :)

euphymike
21.09.2010, 14:04
we were 5th last year, 2nd section and there saturday for another shot at it!

3rdcornetsolo
21.09.2010, 16:53
What odds would i get for my tenner against picking the top 3 in all 4 sections as...

Derwent, Freck, Silk

Rainford, Diggle, Catterick

Delph, Fulham, Hoover

Hazel Grove, Market Rasen, Besses

Cheers

Laserbeam bass
21.09.2010, 22:39
I'll have to check your virtual account, i'm sure you owe me a few quid (and you're gonna owe me a few more after RAH me thinks)
Yeah, your probably right, I will self exclude for 6 days. Void bet :cool:
What are your options for re-inclusion? Do I get a 24 minute cooling off period :biggrin:


p.s. Good Luck at Harrogate this weekend :)
Ta very. Would you care to quote odds on an unspecified member of my band making a ritual sacrifice of the religious work on stage, once we have played, and setting the fire alarm off causing an evacuation of the hall.


p.p.s. You're still not in my fantasy league yet, WHY NOT?? :mad:
:dunno Maybe because you would mark me up and monitor me, and then find out I bet by numbers and silks colours (uniforms) not form.[/QUOTE]

Paddy Flower
22.09.2010, 11:37
Yeah, your probably right, I will self exclude for 6 days. Void bet :cool:
What are your options for re-inclusion? Do I get a 24 minute cooling off period :biggrin:

For you man, anything

Ta very. Would you care to quote odds on an unspecified member of my band making a ritual sacrifice of the religious work on stage, once we have played, and setting the fire alarm off causing an evacuation of the hall.

I'll just pay him a straight 100 if you draw number 1 and it brings about a speedy end to the section

:dunno Maybe because you would mark me up and monitor me, and then find out I bet by numbers and silks colours (uniforms) not form.

Who says i'm not monitoring you now?

[/quote] ..

Laserbeam bass
22.09.2010, 12:57
Yeah, your probably right, I will self exclude for 6 days. Void bet
What are your options for re-inclusion? Do I get a 24 minute cooling off period

For you man, anything

:oops:

Ta very. Would you care to quote odds on an unspecified member of my band making a ritual sacrifice of the religious work on stage, once we have played, and setting the fire alarm off causing an evacuation of the hall.

I'll just pay him a straight 100 if you draw number 1 and it brings about a speedy end to the section


Just to point out that if we do draw no 1 and the fire alarm goes off, it will be a coincidence, although I would still take the winnings ;)

Maybe because you would mark me up and monitor me, and then find out I bet by numbers and silks colours (uniforms) not form.

Who says i'm not monitoring you now?....

Yeah, for all the wrong reasons though :mad:

:confused:

Pav
24.09.2010, 14:33
Can I have a cheeky 50p Yankee on Bo'ness, S Yorks Police, Chapeltown and Worsborough.

It's only fair to warn you that this is the result of a vision from Gypsy Stuart Haigh so I'd lay it off if I was you. Wouldn't want to see Paddy go broke.

Paddy Flower
24.09.2010, 20:55
The horses are in the stalls for Harrogate so here's Paddy's final SPs...

First Section
Freckleton - 9/4 fav (from 2/1)
Friary Guildford Brass - 5/1 (15/2) late money coming in here
Barton Town - 11/2 (5/1)
Bournemouth Concert Brass - 14/1 (12/1) Could be good each-way value
Hebden Bridge - 14/1
Derwent - 14/1
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 16/1 (14/1)
Wrexham Brass - 18/1 (16/1)
Silk Brass (Macclesfield) - 18/1
Pontardulais Town - 18/1 (20/1)
Portishead Town - 22/1 (20/1)
Bo'ness & Carriden - 22/1 (20/1)
Regent Brass - 33/1 (40/1)
Oddfellows Brass - 40/1
Langley - 40/1
Lochgelly - 66/1
Wansbeck's Ashington Colliery - 100/1
Egham - 250/1

Winning Region
North-West - 7/4
L&SC - 4/1
North - 5/1
Yorkshire - 13/2
Midlands - 15/2
West - 15/2
Wales - 9/1
Scotland - 16/1

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Paddy Flower
24.09.2010, 20:56
Second Section
East London Brass - 100/30 fav (from 4/1) late money from the league
Rainford Silver - 4/1
South Yorkshire Police - 5/1 (6/1)
Diggle - 7/1 (6/1)
Knottingley Silver - 14/1 (16/1)
Deiniolen Silver - 14/1 (11/1)
Tylorstown - 16/1 (18/1)
Catterick Brass - 18/1 (25/1) THE gamble of the section
Becontree Brass - 18/1
Shrewton Silver - 22/1 (16/1) I think you're all wrong, this band has a great chance
Filton Concert Brass - 22/1 (18/1)
Coalburn Silver - 28/1
Alder Valley Brass - 33/1 (40/1)
Tintwistle - 33/1 (28/1)
Dalkeith & Monktonhall Colliery - 40/1 (33/1)
Blidworth Welfare - 50/1 (40/1)
Cockerton Prize Silver - 100/1 (66/1)

Winning Region
North-West - 11/5
L&SC - 11/5
Yorkshire - 100/30
Wales - 15/2
West - 10/1
North - 14/1
Scotland - 16/1
Midlands - 18/1

I'm ready to take your Paddy Pound bets on this contest.
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"Paddy's Fantasy Brass Band League"

Paddy Flower
24.09.2010, 20:57
Third Section
Delph - 9/4 fav (from 5/2)
Hoover (Bolton) - 4/1
Fulham Brass - 13/2 (8/1)
Cheshire Constabulary - 7/1 (6/1)
Shirebrook MW Unison - 9/1 (8/1)
York Railway Institute - 14/1
Bream Silver - 20/1 (28/1)
Goodwick Brass - 20/1 (18/1)
Kilmarnock Concert - 25/1 (33/1)
Chapeltown Silver - 28/1 (33/1)
Betteshanger Welfare - 28/1 (40/1)
Porthywaen Silver - 28/1 (20/1)
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 33/1 (28/1)
Sidmouth Town - 33/1 (28/1)
Llwydcoed Silver - 50/1
Ferryhill Town - 66/1 (50/1)
Irvine & Dreghorn Brass - 100/1 (66/1)

Winning Region
North-West - 8/13
L&SC - 5/1
Midlands - 13/2
West - 12/1
North - 12/1
Wales - 14/1
Yorkshire - 16/1
Scotland - 18/1

I'm ready to take your Paddy Pound bets on this contest.
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Paddy Flower
24.09.2010, 20:58
Fourth Section
Hazel Grove Brass - 11/4 fav
Dinnington Colliery - 5/1 (13/2) the gamble continues
Besses' Boys - 13/2
Farnworth & Walkden - 10/1 (9/1)
Battle Town - 11/1 (14/1)
NASUWT Riverside Concert - 12/1
Test Valley Brass - 14/1 (12/1)
Stape Silver - 22/1 (18/1) good value each-way here
Upper Rhondda Brass - 22/1
Shipston Town - 28/1 (22/1) highly underestimated
Market Rasen RPC - 28/1
Rushden Town - 28/1 another one who could run a big race
LGB Brass - 40/1
Amersham - 40/1
Downton - 40/1 (33/1)
Hatherleigh Silver - 40/1
Worsborough Brass - 40/1
Dumfries Town - 50/1
Crwbin Silver - 50/1 (66/1)
Trentham Brass - 66/1
Langholm Town - 66/1 (100/1) a possible Foinavon? I think so

Winning Region
North-West - Evens
Yorkshire - 9/2
L&SC - 13/2
West - 15/2
North - 15/2
Midlands - 15/2
Wales - 16/1
Scotland - 28/1

I'm ready to take your Paddy Pound bets on this contest.
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Mrs Horn
25.09.2010, 21:02
2nd Section Results from 4BR:-

1. Tylorstown, Gary Davies, (Wales)
2. Filton Concert Brass, Bryn James, (West of England)
3. South Yorkshire Police, Leigh Baker, (Yorkshire)
4. Knottingley Silver, Dr Owen Wedgwood, (Yorkshire)
5. East London Brass, Jayne Murrill, (London & Southern Counties)
6. Rainford, Neil Samuel, (North West)
7. Becontree, Adam Cooke, (London & Southern Counties)
8. Blidworth Welfare, Martin Heartfield, (Midlands)
9. Diggle, James Shepherd, (North West)
10. Alder Valley, Roger Burke, (London & Southern Counties)
11. Catterick Brass, Stewart Halliday, (North of England)
12. Coalburn Silver, Gareth Bowman, (Scotland)
13. Dalkeith & Monktonhall Brass, James Chamberlain, (Scotland)
14. Tintwistle, Simon Wood, (Midlands)
15. Cockerton Prize Silver, George Nicklin, (North of England)
16= Deinolen, Gavin Saynor, (Wales)
16= Shrewton Silver, Mike Dunford, (West of England)

Best Instrumentalist:Side drum player with Knottingley Silver

ploughboy
25.09.2010, 21:59
Go on paddy, I'll have a tenner on York Railway to win 3rd section.

Tim Pritchard
25.09.2010, 22:43
Congrats to Friary. Good to see a quality band getting the result they have been capable of for some time.

GinGinnie
25.09.2010, 23:07
Well done Friary....Doin' it for LSc

WoodenFlugel
26.09.2010, 00:31
Result, courtesy of 4BarsRest:

1. Friary Guildford, Chris King, (London and Southern Counties)
2. Freckleton, Paul Dalton, (North West)
3. Wrexham Brass, Wayne Rushton, (Wales)
4. Bo'ness and Carriden, Steve Sykes, (Scotland)
5. Derwent Brass, Keith Leonard, (Midlands)
6. Bournemouth Concert Brass, Captain Dave Barringer, (West of England)
7. Barton Town, Richard Evans, (North of England)
8. Portishead Town, Ian Dickinson, (West of England)
9. Wansbeck Ashington Colliey, Stephen Malcolm, (North of England)
10. Lochgelly, Paul Drury, (Scotland)
11. Oddfellows Brass, Robert Boulter, (Midlands)
12. Langley, Cliff Parker, (Midlands)
13. Regent Brass, Alan Duguid, (London and Southern Counties)
14. Silk Brass, David Holling, (North West)
15. Egham, Gareth Green, (London and Southern Counties)
16. Pontardulais Town (Burns Pet Nutrition), Paul Jenkins, (Wales)
17. Hebden Bridge, Roy Curran, (Yorkshire)
18. Meltham & Meltham Mills, Robin Morgan, (Yorkshire)

Best Instrumentalist: Soprano cornet of Bo'ness & Carriden

barrytone
26.09.2010, 12:59
Congratulations to South Yorkshire Police and Knottingley, great to see two Yorkshire bands in the top four, heard both bands over the summer and both impressed me. Commiserations to Hebden and Meltham, don't think being in the early part of the draw helped either band, always hard to win off a number one draw as I found out at Butlins this year. Ah well, it's only contesting, but well done again to Knottingley and South Yorkshire Police, you did Yorkshire proud!

Baritonedeaf
26.09.2010, 18:06
Well done to all the bands in the 1st Section - my first trip to the Nationals (what a hideous stage to play on sound wise!), special well done to the winners and prize winners.

Had a fantastic weekend, albeit a little bit messy. Looking forward to a return visit in the future. :-D

grausue
26.09.2010, 18:52
Well done to all the bands in the 1st Section - my first trip to the Nationals (what a hideous stage to play on sound wise!), special well done to the winners and prize winners.

Had a fantastic weekend, albeit a little bit messy. Looking forward to a return visit in the future. :-D

Hope you do! And I hope we are there with you :clap:

euphalogy
26.09.2010, 22:24
Many congratulations to all prizewinners in todays marathon 4th section.
Sincere commiserations to Besses Boys who to the well meaning amateur ear (mine) were a class above anything else on display.

Well done, and congratulations to all.

Alan Needham
MD Market Rasen (RPC) Band

Frontman
26.09.2010, 23:15
10.15pm and still four 3rd Section Bands to play?

Memories of Torquay again. Absolutely rediculous.

WORK IN THE MORNING AND STILL IN HARROGATE.
What time the results?

When will they learn.

QubaMan
26.09.2010, 23:22
And people wonder why brass banding is in decline?
The organisers have a lot to answer for.

Columbo
26.09.2010, 23:31
Shocking!! Will be worth ot for one band though!

barrytone
26.09.2010, 23:47
I remember National Finals in Torquay, we played early on, thankfully, but I can remember being so tired waiting for the results that we got a taxi back to the hotel and went straight to bed. The organisers didn't seem to realise how long the test piece took to perform, surely they've picked the piece, they must know how long it takes to perform? Can't believe it's happened again, just not good enough!

Eddy1234567
27.09.2010, 00:09
Sincere commiserations to Besses Boys who to the well meaning amateur ear (mine) were a class above anything else on display.
I think the eventual winners were worthy, certainly didnt find besses "a class above" Hazel Grove

MRSH
27.09.2010, 00:22
3rd Section Results

1. Delph, Philip Goodwin, North West,
2. Goodwick Brass, Matthew Jenkins, Wales,
3. Sidmorth Town, Adrian Harvey, West of England,
4. Llwydcoed, Gary Davies, Wales,
5. York Railway Institute, Gordon Eddison, North of England,
6. Bolton (Hoover), Trevor Halliwell, North West
7. Betteshanger Welfare Brass, David Cutting, London and Southern Counties,
8. Fulham Brass, Simon Jones, London and Southern Counties,
9. Porthywaen Silver, Mark Parry, Midlands,
10. Cheshire Constabulary, David Woolam, North West,
11. Shirebrook Miners Welfare, Mark Wilcockson, Midlands,
12. Chapeltown, Andrew Dennis, Yorkshire,
13. Clifton and Lightcliffe, John Clay, Yorkshire,
14. Bream Silver, Huw Cole, West of England,
15. Ferryhill Town, Susan Norris, North of England,
16. Kilmarnock Concert Brass, Craig Anderson, Scotland,
17. Irvine and Dreghorn Brass, John Boax, Scotland,

Best Instrumentalist: Flugel - Goodwick Brass

Courtesy of 4barsrest (http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=12261)

wittig
27.09.2010, 01:17
We got to harrogate conference centre for the draw not long before the draw for the third section at half one. The section started one hour and 45 mins later than stated and we drew last out of the hat. We didn't play until after half past ten. We finished seventh and are quite happy but I have never ever been so exhausted after playing at a contest, its impossible to play your best after having had to hang around for that length of time. We are now on our bus back to Kent as a few of us (mainly teachers) have to work in the morning. We will get back at about five

Pav
27.09.2010, 01:37
Ouch, and to think I was slightly grumpy getting back just after midnight on Sat night.

Needs to be a rule - No singing after Watford Gap, I reckon.

jansion
27.09.2010, 07:15
it was a 5am return for Kilmarnock too... I think it was quietest our bus has ever been

fartycat
27.09.2010, 08:00
I listened to all 21 bands in the 4th section. Have to say that Besses were robbed blind. Hazel Grove played very well and I had them in the top six but there were a fair few slips in their performance and Besses were a totally different class to every other band.

In the draw Jim Davies did say that he didn't care about the draw order and that if you were drawn first but gave a good performance you would win which I thought was quite a strange thing to say at the time.

Also, at a lot of contests the organisers estimate how many bands they can get through an hour. They wouldn't do that yesterday, perhaps that's the reason for such a late start for the 3rd section.

Andy_Euph
27.09.2010, 08:46
In the draw Jim Davies did say that he didn't care about the draw order and that if you were drawn first but gave a good performance you would win which I thought was quite a strange thing to say at the time.


Did he say would or could?...if its the former, then it looks like he had the winner picked before the contest :eek::biggrin:

Well done to the winners, special congrats to Besses Boy's :tup

P.S. Can Yorkshire still claim to have the best bands in the country? (Ooo controversial :p) Only 3 wins across the lower sections in the last 5 years and only the 2nd section bands getting good results this year?

Gladis
27.09.2010, 11:11
Ooo very controverstial Andy!! What I find strange/interesting though is that all the Yorkshire bands apart from in the 4th section were placed next to each other. 3rd and 4th in second section, last 2 in 1st section and 12th and 13th in 3rd section. Good to see we're consistent!

Andy_Euph
27.09.2010, 11:15
Ooo very controverstial Andy!! What I find strange/interesting though is that all the Yorkshire bands apart from in the 4th section were placed next to each other. 3rd and 4th in second section, last 2 in 1st section and 12th and 13th in 3rd section. Good to see we're consistent!

I hadn't noticed that, and yeah thats a bit weird. Well done on your result though Lizzie :biggrin:

Gladis
27.09.2010, 11:22
Cheers Andy,
We worked really hard so I was really pleased with the result :-)

worzel
27.09.2010, 12:01
We got to harrogate conference centre for the draw not long before the draw for the third section at half one. The section started one hour and 45 mins later than stated and we drew last out of the hat. We didn't play until after half past ten. We finished seventh and are quite happy but I have never ever been so exhausted after playing at a contest, its impossible to play your best after having had to hang around for that length of time. We are now on our bus back to Kent as a few of us (mainly teachers) have to work in the morning. We will get back at about five
That sucks. We were so relieved to draw 6th, and those of us who left straight after playing got home by midnight. Despite your difficulties you still beat us this time round so well done on that at least :) Will we see you in the second section next year?

JR
27.09.2010, 12:33
10.15pm and still four 3rd Section Bands to play?

Memories of Torquay again. Absolutely rediculous.

WORK IN THE MORNING AND STILL IN HARROGATE.
What time the results?

When will they learn.

We left after the 4th section results - the 3rd didnt get underway until well after 5pm

For the life of me I cannot understand why a pre-draw (in 3 sectors?) akin to the English Nationals/Masters/Pontins system etc is not used - can someone please enlighten me?

It is patently unfair for very young people with School in the morning to have to play so late (and the Lower sections are likely to have more of them)

Some other observations: (my daughter and I were there from half way through the 4th section)

Have the curtains returned to the stage? - I thought these had been removed in recenty years to help the stage acoustic

Refreshments havent reduced in price...

The half time break seemed v long. The test wasn't that long - surely 21 bands could have been pushed through in 5.5 hours?

All the principal cornets we heard got the the top C - that was fantastic, really encouraging

2nd and 3rd Movts were a big ask for this level (no-one mastered the Lento ending to the 2nd or the long accel in the 3rd)

Ian Brownbill was right about the 1st movt - most bands lacked Maestoso feel - was this because they adhered a bit too rigidly to the tempo marking of around 96 and couldn't stop the semis rushing on stage?

I just feel the whoe 4th section setup needs a revamp as advocated by Iwan Fox and others

John R

astreet83
27.09.2010, 12:55
great weekend had by all at Blidworth. All really happy with how we performed and place (8th).

Looking forward to next time.... hopefully next year!!

My experience from Saturday was that the contest was well organised and staffed. Perhaps they all had too much pop Saturday night like myself :)

hornplaya89
27.09.2010, 13:13
Congratulations to Market Rasen RPC. I'm extremely proud that people were speaking so highly of your performance - I hope everyone who went had a wonderful experience and enjoyed playing on that stage.
Particularly well done to your star player, Smain Mokrane - nice one matey!

Well done for getting there!

Splitzer
27.09.2010, 13:43
Terrible venue, poor to play and listen in from what I can remember -to be expected of a conference centre rather than concert hall. Still think a lot of atmosphere and sense of occasion was lost when the lower sections finals moved from London.

astreet83
27.09.2010, 14:10
I think the venue is fine and not that bad to play on. You play to the rooms strengths, its sounds dry on stage so you have to make sure all the detail can be heard by all.

The cost for all sections to be held at London would be massive not only for the organiser's but also the bands attending.

If not Harrogate or London where?

Goldie Horn
27.09.2010, 14:11
Great weekend everyone! Well done LSC bands!

Somewhere where 2 sections can perform at the same time might be a good idea (!).

I would like to nominate the Gordon Craig theatre at Stevenage. We could have one band on the stage and the other in the sports hall. One of the greatest venues in the country ;)

Goldie Horn
27.09.2010, 14:12
Great weekend everyone! Well done LSC bands!

Somewhere where 2 sections can perform at the same time might be a good idea (!).

I would like to nominate the Gordon Craig theatre at Stevenage. We could have one band on the stage and the other in the sports hall. One of the greatest venues in the country ;)

That was a joke by the way :wink:

Will the Sec
27.09.2010, 14:13
Well, I think Langholm were robbed. They were the ONLY band to play the piece as directed by the composer.

HornPlayerMK
27.09.2010, 14:19
10.15pm and still four 3rd Section Bands to play?

Memories of Torquay again. Absolutely rediculous.

WORK IN THE MORNING AND STILL IN HARROGATE.
What time the results?

When will they learn.

Maybe in the future Paddy should run a sweepstake on the finishing time for the Sunday!

Shame as the Saturday seemed to run to schedule.

astreet83
27.09.2010, 14:20
Well, I think Langholm were robbed. They were the ONLY band to play the piece as directed by the composer.

The same could be said in the 2nd section but I've got no sour grapes; myself and my band played well.

Will the Sec
27.09.2010, 14:30
Where's LBB's fishing smiley when you need it? :biggrin:

wittig
27.09.2010, 14:41
That sucks. We were so relieved to draw 6th, and those of us who left straight after playing got home by midnight. Despite your difficulties you still beat us this time round so well done on that at least :) Will we see you in the second section next year?

You will indeed! A few of our band listened to you guys and said it was really good. Overall the L&SC bands put in a good showing this year. Certainly not the weak region that some people think it is in my opinion.

Laserbeam bass
27.09.2010, 14:43
Where's LBB's fishing smiley when you need it? :biggrin:

Oi, copyright and intellectual property rights etc.

Owen S
27.09.2010, 14:54
Great weekend everyone! Well done LSC bands!

Somewhere where 2 sections can perform at the same time might be a good idea (!).

I would like to nominate the Gordon Craig theatre at Stevenage. We could have one band on the stage and the other in the sports hall. One of the greatest venues in the country ;)

Well, it would at least stop people whinging about the Harrogate acoustic anyway. :D

I don't think I remember what playing in the theatre is like, it's so long that we played there rather than the sports barn.

worzel
27.09.2010, 15:25
The cost for all sections to be held at London would be massive not only for the organiser's but also the bands attending.
Not quite all bands :) If we had our contest in the Albert Hall I could walk there in 15 minutes.

astreet83
27.09.2010, 15:29
Not quite all bands :) If we had our contest in the Albert Hall I could walk there in 15 minutes.

Any chance we can crash on your living room floor then? oh me and 40 others lol :biggrin:

worzel
27.09.2010, 15:32
A few of our band listened to you guys and said it was really good.
Thanks :) We felt we played really well and maybe deserved better, but doesn't every one. I'm just pleased that we put in a good performance as far as we were concerned rather than letting ourselves down a bit on stage like we used to.

worzel
27.09.2010, 15:35
Any chance we can crash on your living room floor then? oh me and 40 others lol :biggrin:
Yeah, sure. Look me up in the phone book.

Accidental
27.09.2010, 16:23
Where's LBB's fishing smiley when you need it? :biggrin:
nah, you need to invent a new one.... of the joke whizzing over the top of most people's heads, ;)

Laserbeam bass
27.09.2010, 16:30
Where's LBB's fishing smiley when you need it? :biggrin:

http://www.youngwizards.com/forums/images/smilies/tumbleweed2.gif

I'll let you use this one instead :biggrin:

Charley Horse
27.09.2010, 16:39
Congratulations to Friary in the First section, some of our supporters who listened to all the bands said you were a class apart. unfortunately we didn't get a great result and this seems to have opened a sore wound in the Yorkshire area thread. Again congrats to Friary, worthy First section Champions.

Bevsee
27.09.2010, 16:56
Congratulations to Hazel Grove 4th Section Champions

Will the Sec
27.09.2010, 23:14
Yeah, sure. Look me up in the phone book.

I reckon you could sleep about 60 in the Main Bar/Ballroom at the RBL on the Kings' Road....

Martin
28.09.2010, 11:24
Thanks :) We felt we played really well and maybe deserved better, but doesn't every one. I'm just pleased that we put in a good performance as far as we were concerned rather than letting ourselves down a bit on stage like we used to.

No worries there. It was a very good performance!!!:clap:

fatcontroler
28.09.2010, 12:53
Congrats to North West bands getting a clean sweep in the 4th section!

not the first time ive heard that Besses Boys were on the wrong side of a result. they had a great sound, noticeably from the young back row cornets which is impressive in the 3rd section for back row cornets, nevermind the 4th!:clap:

Lucky Beaver
28.09.2010, 13:58
P.S. Can Yorkshire still claim to have the best bands in the country? (Ooo controversial :p) Only 3 wins across the lower sections in the last 5 years and only the 2nd section bands getting good results this year?

Yes, we certainly can! We are just robbed every year that's all ;) :D

DMBabe
28.09.2010, 14:54
Well, I think Langholm were robbed. They were the ONLY band to play the piece as directed by the composer.

And I'm amazed it didn't say anything about "not how the composer intended" in the remarks.... or maybe it did? ;)


The same could be said in the 2nd section but I've got no sour grapes; myself and my band played well.

You had Philip Wilby at the helm? Crazy!!! :lol:

astreet83
28.09.2010, 15:09
And I'm amazed it didn't say anything about "not how the composer intended" in the remarks.... or maybe it did? ;)



You had Philip Wilby at the helm? Crazy!!! :lol:

Did we??? Think not babe.

One of the bands there had tho

towse1972
28.09.2010, 15:24
I dont think Andrew gets your humour DMbabe!

DMBabe
28.09.2010, 17:46
Did we??? Think not babe.

One of the bands there had tho

One of our section had Philip Wilby conducting? Really??? ...... Nope...;)

Robhibberd29
28.09.2010, 21:48
Which band was that then hmm???

Andy_Euph
28.09.2010, 23:17
Yes, we certainly can! We are just robbed every year that's all ;) :D

:biggrin: Thought that's what it might have been.

On the flip side Welsh banding seems to be very much on the up!

Robhibberd29
28.09.2010, 23:44
I thought it was right up there already Andy? ;-)

MoominDave
29.09.2010, 17:44
2nd section

1. Tylorstown, Gary Davies, (Wales)
2. Filton Concert Brass, Bryn James, (West of England)
3. South Yorkshire Police, Leigh Baker, (Yorkshire)
4. Knottingley Silver, Dr Owen Wedgwood, (Yorkshire)
5. East London Brass, Jayne Murrill, (London & Southern Counties)
6. Rainford, Neil Samuel, (North West)
7. Becontree, Adam Cooke, (London & Southern Counties)
8. Blidworth Welfare, Martin Heartfield, (Midlands)
9. Diggle, James Shepherd, (North West)
10. Alder Valley, Roger Burke, (London & Southern Counties)
11. Catterick Brass, Stewart Halliday, (North of England)
12. Coalburn Silver, Gareth Bowman, (Scotland)
13. Dalkeith & Monktonhall Brass, James Chamberlain, (Scotland)
14. Tintwistle, Simon Wood, (Midlands)
15. Cockerton Prize Silver, George Nicklin, (North of England)
16= Deinolen, Gavin Saynor, (Wales)
16= Shrewton Silver, Mike Dunford, (West of England)

No Wilbyage there? Methinks Mr A. Street has made a tenuous identification...

tubafran
29.09.2010, 18:47
2nd section


No Wilbyage there? Methinks Mr A. Street has made a tenuous identification...

What about before the event - not unknown for bands to get a "specialist" in to take them through a rehearsal before hand - gives a nice insight.

GJG
29.09.2010, 19:46
What about before the event - not unknown for bands to get a "specialist" in to take them through a rehearsal before hand - gives a nice insight.

Given the numerous anecdotes in circulation concerning adjudicators telling composer/conductors that they don't know how their music should be played, I'd be surprised if anybody would want to risk that ...

DMBabe
29.09.2010, 22:44
Given the numerous anecdotes in circulation concerning adjudicators telling composer/conductors that they don't know how their music should be played, I'd be surprised if anybody would want to risk that ...

But yet they do..... every time. You think adjudicators would learn? :rolleyes:

Robhibberd29
30.09.2010, 01:57
Aye...I'm sure I heard Mr Wilby was at one band pre contest rehearsal...can't recall which one but it wasn't mine.

DMBabe
30.09.2010, 08:25
But that's different from having them in front of you on the day, cos another md will always put their own slant on it. Unless they are a robot/stepford conductor.;)

Robhibberd29
30.09.2010, 10:34
Completely agree :-)

trombonebabe
30.09.2010, 10:54
Aye...I'm sure I heard Mr Wilby was at one band pre contest rehearsal...can't recall which one but it wasn't mine.

Filton (runners-up)

Owen S
30.09.2010, 11:25
There's an interesting article up on 4br talking about the finish of the contest on Sunday being ridiculously late yet again. I'm not sure I agree with all of the suggested solutions, but it's something that really should change.
Link here (http://www.4barsrest.com/articles/2010/1172p.asp)

lynchie
30.09.2010, 15:08
There's an interesting article up on 4br talking about the finish of the contest on Sunday being ridiculously late yet again. I'm not sure I agree with all of the suggested solutions, but it's something that really should change.
Link here (http://www.4barsrest.com/articles/2010/1172p.asp)

There's some interesting ideas there, but I'm not sure how many good ideas.

I'd be in favour of pre-drawing the contests. It goes along with most of my feelings about closed adjudication. The only reason for the box should be so that the adjudicator isn't influenced by any visual aspects of the performance. Whether he remembers who's playing number 16 or not doesn't really matter, unless we think adjudicators are corrupt, in which case we shouldn't use them. Pre-draw, start earlier, everyone knows vaguely when they'll be playing well in advance, jobs a good un.

I'd also be all in favour of fringe events - I remember when I played at Music for Youth at the Festival Hall (many years ago...) there were mini concerts going on in the foyer as well as the contest in the main hall. To be honest, unless you really like looking at the same old gadgets, shop-soiled instruments and random boxes of music all afternoon, the conference centre is a pretty dull place to wait to play.

I wouldn't want to see test pieces cut artificially short though. If one wants to significantly cut the length of the contest, perhaps cutting the number of bands would be more effective? Maybe if your area only has 6 bands competing, for example, they only send one band and have no area send more than two.

jackocorn
01.10.2010, 11:40
"Filton (runners-up)"

"English Champions" we like to say!

darcy21
04.10.2010, 16:47
Yo Paddy. What's your odds on last years 1st Section National Champions becoming this years Championship Section National Champions?

tenortuba
04.10.2010, 16:50
Yo Paddy. What's your odds on last years 1st Section National Champions becoming this years Championship Section National Champions?

Oh dear.

darcy21
04.10.2010, 17:24
Right. Just re-read my hastily-put-together post and realise I come across as a poor deluded fool:oops:.
What I meant to ask was, "Has a 1st Section title holder ever gone on to win Championship at the RAH?"
Of course, I would agree that it is highly unlikely that it could happen this year:D

Thirteen Ball
06.10.2010, 17:09
Since the 1st section's only been in existence since 1992 I very much doubt it....

Brenda
07.10.2010, 14:24
What I meant to ask was, "Has a 1st Section title holder ever gone on to win Championship at the RAH?"
Of course, I would agree that it is highly unlikely that it could happen this year:D

According to 4BR:

Sovereign, 12th in 1992 (2nd Sect Champs., 1991)
Northop, 18th in 1995
Thoresby, 17th in 2001

Good Luck - history says you're gonna need it ;)

Splitzer
08.10.2010, 02:32
Right. Just re-read my hastily-put-together post and realise I come across as a poor deluded fool:oops:.
What I meant to ask was, "Has a 1st Section title holder ever gone on to win Championship at the RAH?"
Of course, I would agree that it is highly unlikely that it could happen this year:D

Don't worry mate - even if you boys don't play to your best there should still be a couple of scotchish bands propping up the bottom placings. Have a good one.

Brassbones
08.10.2010, 10:03
What are your odds for tomorrow Paddy?

Paddy Flower
08.10.2010, 11:07
What are your odds for tomorrow Paddy?

will post before the day is out, just waiting on a few last bets in the league. If you haven't predicted in the tMP predictions comp, get it done (that'll have an effect)

Anyone can influence these odds, JOIN THE LEAGUE TODAY, see my signature for details (but basically e-mail me 10.00 worth of Paddy Pound bets along with a playing name and region BEFORE 7am tomorrow)

Paddy Flower
08.10.2010, 16:19
As promised here's Paddy's final assessment for tomorrow's showdown at the cake tin

Championship Section
Black Dyke - 11/5 fav (from 9/4) to be the first band since Desford '89 to do an Albert Hall hat-trick
Cory - 11/4 (9/4)
Fodens - 5/1 (11/2)
Brighouse & Rastrick - 7/1 (6/1)
Tredegar - 8/1 (12/1) too good to ignore at the moment
Faireys - 8/1 (10/1)
Rothwell Temperance - 20/1 (18/1)
Leyland - 50/1 (40/1)
Desford Colliery - 66/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 66/1 (100/1)
Redbridge Brass - 100/1 (200/1)
Co-op Funeralcare - 100/1 (66/1)
Tongwynlais Temperance - 100/1 (50/1) in answer to your question David
Flowers - 100/1
Virtuosi GUS - 150/1 (100/1)
Reg Vardy - 200/1 (250/1)
Camborne Town - 250/1 (200/1)
Whitburn - 500/1 (350/1)
NASUWT Riverside - 500/1
Aveley & Newham - 500/1

Paddy's League. Dyke - Cory - Fodens
tMP predictors. Dyke - Cory - Brighouse
4barsrest. Fodens - Dyke - Cory


Winning Region
Yorkshire - Evens
Wales - 6/4
North-West - 5/2
Midlands - 40/1
West - 66/1
Scotland - 66/1
L&SC - 100/1
North - 150/1

New name on the old pot - 7/2
One of the 11 previously un-decorated contenders to lift the trophy
Last time it happened - Leyland (2005)
Best chance of it happening this time - Tredegar @ 8/1

New member of the winning conductors club - 6/4
A win for someone other than: Childs Bros, Withington, Gray or Renton ('Rank' Renton as described on 4br)
Last time it happened - Russell Gray with Leyland (2005)
Best chance of it happening this time - David King with Brighouse @ 7/1

Paddy Flower
10.10.2010, 14:58
So here we go with the results of our second major contest since the league started up.

Actual Result...
1st. Brighouse & Rastrick - 5.80 (per Paddy Pound)
2nd. Cory - 1.23
3rd. Fairey (Geneva) - 1.00
4th. Rothwell Temperance - 0.86
5th. Leyland - 1.90
6th. Virtuosi GUS - 1.27

Which when added to the other four sections played a fortnight ago gave the result of the FIRST EVER Fantasy Brass Band League National Final as...

2nd - BrassMonkeys - 86.89 well done Di B
3rd - Dalton's Quality Tuna - 80.17 and Ex-Pat BBb
4th - London Scottish Brass - 73.15
5th - Splittingthepack - 65.92
6th - Pub Appreciation Society - 64.25 congrats groovy

but the winner and FIRST EVER Fantasy Brass Band League National Champions

with 98.02 points...

Paddy Flower
10.10.2010, 15:00
Cornets for 99's

:clap::clap::clap:

A great win for Cornets for 99's, here's how it was done...
Champ
2.00 on Cory @ 1.23 (2.46)
First
2.00 on Friary @ 3.38 (6.76)
2.00 on Freckleton @ 0.81 (1.62)
2.00 on Wrexham @ 3.60 (7.20)
Second
2.00 on Tylorstown @ 18.60 (37.20) the winning bet
2.00 on Filton @ 5.54 (11.08 )
2.00 on Sth Yks Police @ 0.61 (1.22)
Third
2.00 on Delph @ 2.98 (5.96)
2.00 on Llwydcoed @ 3.00 (6.00)
2.00 on York RI @ 0.45 (0.90)
Fourth
2.00 on Hazel Grove @ 2.89 (5.78 )
2.00 on Besses' Boys @ 2.32 (4.64)
2.00 on Rushden Town @ 3.00 (6.00)
2.00 on Upper Rhondda @ 0.60 (1.20)
which all add's up to the winning total of 98.02 points, well done to your sir!!

Paddy Flower
10.10.2010, 15:10
ALL non-qualified league members were eligible to take part in the First Section Final and our winner here scored higher than the winner from the Championship Section...

1st - davethehorny - 104.04
2nd - Rainbow Brass - 87.40 a second excellent result in a fortnight for Di
3rd - TTime Brass - 68.44
4th - 4 Bras & Vest Temperance Band - 68.07
5th - Guinness Users Temperance Social Band - 59.40
6th - 2barsrest - 54.83 and a solid result from wilky

An impressive start to fantasy banding for davethehorny, here's how it was won...
Champ
3.00 on Cory @ 1.23 (3.69)
1.00 on Faireys @ 1.00
First
3.00 on Freckleton @ 0.81 (2.43)
2.00 on Bournemouth @ 0.23 (0.46)
Second
2.00 on Tylorstown @ 18.60 (37.20) the winning bet (again)
3.00 on Filton @ 5.54 (16.62)
2.00 on Knottingley @ 0.62 (1.24)
Third
2.00 on Delph @ 2.98 (5.96)
2.00 on Sidmouth @ 7.20 (14.40)
1.00 on Llwydcoed @ 3.00
Fourth
4.00 on Hazel Grove @ 2.89 (11.56)
3.00 on Downton @ 2.16 (6.48 )
which all added up to a winning score of 104.04 points

MightyForester
10.10.2010, 15:54
5th - Guinness Users Temperance Social Band - 59.40


Woohoo! Not bad seeing as I was bottom of the pile before yesterday!!