Welsh Regional Championships - 2010

[Di]

Welsh Regional Championships
Championship Section
Sunday 21st March 2010
Draw 12:00, commence following 4th Section
Brangwyn Hall, Swansea
English Heritage, George Lloyd
Adjudicator: Malcolm Brownbill

Beaumaris, G. Evans
BTM, T. Davoren
Burry Port Town, C. Roberts
Cory, Dr. R. Childs
Cwmaman Institute, G. O’Connor
Northop, T. Wyss
Penclawdd Brass, D.A. Small
Point of Ayr Colliery, J. Hinckley
Tongwynlais Temperance, P. Harper
Tredegar, I. Porthouse

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Welsh Regional Championships
First Section
Saturday 20th March 2010
Draw 4:15, commence following 2nd section
Brangwyn Hall, Swansea
A Moorside Suite, Gustav Holst
Adjudicator: Colin Hardy

Abergavenny Borough, S. Sykes
City of Cardiff,Mellingriffith, G. Ritter
Markham and District, N. Seaman
Parc and Dare, D. Griffith
Pontadulais Town, P. Jenkins
Rogerstone, J. Jones
Wrexham Brass, W. Ruston

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Welsh Regional Championships
Second Section
Saturday 20th March 2010
Draw: 12: 15, commence following 3rd section
Brangwyn Hall, Swansea
Kingdom of Dragons, Philip Harper
Adjudicator: Malcolm Brownbill

Blaenavon Town, A. Protherough-Jones
Briton Ferry, Dr. C. Jenkins
Crosskeys Silver, K. Bowden
Deiniolen, G. Saynor
Gwaun Cae Gurwen, G.R. Davies
Lewis Merthyr, G. Pritchard
Llanrug, P. Hughes
Newtown Silver, S. Edwards
RAF St. Athan Voluntary, A.R. Bourne
Royal Buckley Town, Paul Lovatt- Cooper
Tylorstown, G. Davies
Yynshir, D. Evans

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Welsh Regional Championships
Third Section
Saturday 20th March 2010
Draw: 10:30, commence 11:30
Brangwyn Hall, Swansea
Labour & Love, Percy Fletcher
Adjudicator: Colin Hardy

Corus, Port Talbot , C. Hogg
Ebbw Vale, C. Thomas
Goodwick, M. Jenkins
Llwydcoed, G. Davies
Oakeley Silver, J. Davies
Ogmore Valley, A. Jones

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Welsh Regional Championships
Fourth Section
Sunday 21st March 2010
Draw: 10:00, commence 11:00
Brangwyn Hall, Swansea
Saint-Saens Variations, Philip Sparke
Adjudicator: Colin Hardy

Abertillery Youth, D. Evans
Crwbin, M. Thorne
Mellingriffith 2, D. Griffiths
Newport Borough, A. Hathaway
Oakdale, R. Probyn
Pontypool, P. O’Leary
Rhyl Silver, M. Robinson
Ruthin Town, J. Powell
Upper Rhondda Brass, N. Seaman

[the shed builder]

looking forward to playing English Heritage, and of course this marks Point of Ayr's return to the championship section, quite an achievment in just over 2 years :)

[dyl]

Adjudicator for 2nd Section is Malcolm Brownbill

[Di]

Adjudicator for 2nd Section is Malcolm Brownbill
Cheers Dyl. :):tup

[daitom]

looking forward to playing English Heritage, and of course this marks Point of Ayr's return to the championship section, quite an achievment in just over 2 years :)


Yes, great progress! .. It is a superb piece of music to be playing at the top level again!
:D

[Euph1888]

Any news of runners and riders yet, rumours are a low turnout in the fourth section - Anybody know the Adjudicators in each section

[Deano]

Any news of runners and riders yet, rumours are a low turnout in the fourth section - Anybody know the Adjudicators in each section

Malcolm Brownbill is adjudicating Championship & 2nd.
Colin Hardy is adjudicating 1st, 3rd & 4th.

Heard there are 45 bands in total.

[Di]

Malcolm Brownbill is adjudicating Championship & 2nd.
Colin Hardy is adjudicating 1st, 3rd & 4th.

Heard there are 45 bands in total.
Thank you.
Details added.

Any "official" list of bands would be appreciated, just waiting for confirmation on three regions then we can start the prediction ball rolling. :)

[Al]

So the Welsh, being titled Welsh Regional Championships presumably aren't as cagey as the Scots who are titled Scottish Area Contest.

:)



ps I was born in Wales, have played in Scotland for a few years and now play in England, and used to play for an Isle of Man band (which is a country in its own right but are pleased to join the North West Regional Championships!)

[PeterBale]

Fourth Section:
Sunday 21st March

Brangwyn Hall, Swansea
Draw: 10.00am
Commences: 11.00am
Adjudicator: Colin Hardy

Result:
1. Crwbin (M. Thorne), 3*
2. Upper Rhondda Brass (N. Seaman), 7*
3. Newport Borough (A. Hathaway), 6
4. Pontypool (P. O'Leary), 9
5. Mellingriffith 2 (D. Griffiths), 4
6. Rhyl Silver (M. Robinson), 5
7. Abertillery Youth (D. Evans), 8
8. Oakdale (R. Probyn), 1
9. Ruthin Town (J. Powell), 2

Best Instrumentalist: Bleddyn Roberts (soprano) Crwbin

*Top 2 bands qualify for Harrogate

Courtesy of 4br

[brassneck]

Championship Section:
Sunday 21st March

Brangwyn Hall, Swansea
Draw: 12.00pm
Commences: starts at end of Section 4
Adjudicator: Malcolm Brownbill

Result:
1. Tredegar (I. Porthouse), 8
2. Cory (Dr. R. Childs), 7
3. Tongwynlais Temperance (P. Harper), 4
4. BTM (T. Davoren), 10
5. Northop (T. Wyss), 1
6. Beaumaris (G. Evans), 2
7. Cwmaman Institute (C. Roberts), 9
8. Point of Ayr Colliery (J. Hinckley), 3
9. Burry Port Town (C. Roberts), 6
10. Penclawdd Brass (D.A. Small), 5

Best Instrumentalist: Dewi Griffiths (cornet) Tredegar

*Top 2 placed bands plus Cory qualify for Finals

http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=11328

[dyl]

What a day yesterday!!!! Set off from Deiniolen at 5am, bus broke down twice on the way down, we ended up having to get a replacement bus on the way. Cue frantic phone calss to contest control to inform them of our problems! In the end though, we managed to get to the draw just as the adjudicator was introducing himself!

Eventually, I thought the band played a blinder, and Gav our MD was extremely happy coming off stage (to say the least!). Very pleased to be going to Harrogate again, and well done Daniel for the best instrumentalist.

Shattered now though, having just arrived back, but what a weekend!!!

[eusebio]

Congrats to Tredegar - Cory not winning doesn't happen very often does it!

[jpbray]

Well done Newport Borough Brass band a satisfying 3rd. Many thanks to Alun for all his hard work with the Band.

[Alyn James]

:terrierYIPPEE!!!:terrier Albert Hall for Ton!
Didn't hear Cory but Tred were something else!:clap:

[OneTonBass]

Well done Ton. Fantastic result!

[OneTonBass]

The results today have thrown up some interesting ups and downs today especially in championship and 4th section(if my calculations are correct)
Champ: Penclawdd (25 points) + Newbridge,Burry Port & Cwmamman (all 22points) all go down
1st: Markham (10 points) go up; Treherbert (26 points) go down
2nd: Tylorstown (7 points) + Deiniolen (8.5 points ) go up; Ammanford (27.5 points) + Briton Ferry (25 points) go down.
3rd: Llwydcoed (10.5 points) go up ; Porthaethwy Menai Bridge (23 points) go down
4th: Upper Rhondda (12 points) + Melingriffith2, Pontypool,Newport,Crwbin (all 13 points) all go up


Again I suggest you rely on the official notification and subject to appeal etc..not on my say.

[Pastit]

Congrats to Wrexham Brass on a great performance, especially in the 2nd movement. HERE'S TO THE FINALS. Well done to the winners, Pontardulais.

:clap::clap:

[critic]

What a day yesterday!!!! Set off from Deiniolen at 5am, bus broke down twice on the way down, we ended up having to get a replacement bus on the way. Cue frantic phone calss to contest control to inform them of our problems! In the end though, we managed to get to the draw just as the adjudicator was introducing himself!

Eventually, I thought the band played a blinder, and Gav our MD was extremely happy coming off stage (to say the least!). Very pleased to be going to Harrogate again, and well done Daniel for the best instrumentalist.

Shattered now though, having just arrived back, but what a weekend!!!

Well done a great effort

[ne30001]

Is it really likely that 4 bands will be relegated from the championship section? If not how is it likely to be calculated, obviously Penclawdd will go down but how will the fate of Cwmaman Institute, Burry Port and Newbridge be decided? Cheers

[johnmartin]

Usually bands tied on points are separated on placings at the most recent contest.

[ne30001]

Thanks. Though does anyone know how many bands actually likely to relegated from the championship?? If its only 2 or 3 get relegated Cwmaman should be safe then :)

[Tongwynlais Band]

Thanks Rich, realty good result and Performance. Can wait for the bands first appearance in the Champ Section in RAH. Up the Ton!!!!!

[Al]

The results today have thrown up some interesting ups and downs today especially in championship and 4th section(if my calculations are correct)
Champ: Penclawdd (25 points) + Newbridge,Burry Port & Cwmamman (all 22points) all go down
1st: Markham (10 points) go up; Treherbert (26 points) go down
2nd: Tylorstown (7 points) + Deiniolen (8.5 points ) go up; Ammanford (27.5 points) + Briton Ferry (25 points) go down.
3rd: Llwydcoed (10.5 points) go up ; Porthaethwy Menai Bridge (23 points) go down
4th: Upper Rhondda (12 points) + Melingriffith2, Pontypool,Newport,Crwbin (all 13 points) all go up


Again I suggest you rely on the official notification and subject to appeal etc..not on my say.

Interesting! 4 down in the Championship Section and 4 Up in the Fourth. Unless the committee are able to use some sort of discretion, which I doubt they will, then the promotions/relegations will be according to the rules. Hopefully there are non-competing bands who can be encouraged to have a go next year. the 3rd Section could do with a boost.

There were 4 new entries in the fourth section this year so I hope they will return too. There are not too many in the section as it is.


Incidentally, in the 1st section should it be Thomas Coaches Mid-Rhondda with 21 pts who are relegated. I think Trehebert last contested in 2007.

[OneTonBass]

Incidentally, in the 1st section should it be Thomas Coaches Mid-Rhondda with 21 pts who are relegated. I think Trehebert last contested in 2007.

Good point...checked rules and therefore corrected...
Champ: Penclawdd (25 points) + Newbridge,Burry Port & Cwmamman (all 22points) all go down
1st: Markham (10 points) go up; Mid Rhondda(21 Points) go down; Treherbert (26 points) removed
2nd: Tylorstown (7 points) + Deiniolen (8.5 points ) go up; Ammanford (27.5 points) + Briton Ferry (25 points) go down.
3rd: Llwydcoed (10.5 points) go up ; Porthaethwy Menai Bridge (23 points) go down
4th: Upper Rhondda (12 points) + Melingriffith2, Pontypool,Newport,Crwbin (all 13 points) all go up


Again I suggest you rely on the official notification and subject to appeal etc..not on my say.

For clarity regarding this the rules state:
e)In the sections 1, 2, 3, 4, the bands with the two best aggregate placings over the previous three years will be promoted. In the case where two or more bands tie with equal first placing, then only these bands will be promoted. If two or more bands tie with equal second placing, then these bands, in addition to the first placed band, will be promoted.
g) In the Championship, 1st , 2nd and 3rd sections, the two bands with the lowest aggregate placings over the last three years will be relegated. In the case where two or more bands tie with equal last placing, then only these bands will be relegated. If two or more bands tie with equal second to last placing, then these bands, in addition to the last placed band, will be relegated.
n) Any band failing to compete for three consecutive years will be removed from the grading tables at the end of the third year, prior to the determination of promotion or relegation in that section. If such a band wishes to resume participation in the contest, it will be treated as a first time entry in accordance with Rule (i)

Rules available from http://www.nationalbrassbandchampionships.com/

Cheers

Rich

[tubaturk]

:terrierYIPPEE!!!:terrier Albert Hall for Ton!
Didn't hear Cory but Tred were something else!:clap:

Congrats Al, Dave, Mog, Mart, Rob and everyone else at Ton. Nobody can say that this result hasn't been coming.

Enjoy it!

Don't know where we'll be next year, but I guess we might have have to try and "do a Ton" and bounce back up from First.

[Alyn James]

Cheers Gar,
You did it at the Senior Cup, so why not?
Best of Luck!!

[thatbassplayer]

Good point...checked rules and therefore corrected...
Champ: Penclawdd (25 points) + Newbridge,Burry Port & Cwmamman (all 22points) all go down
1st: Markham (10 points) go up; Mid Rhondda(21 Points) go down; Treherbert (26 points) removed
2nd: Tylorstown (7 points) + Deiniolen (8.5 points ) go up; Ammanford (27.5 points) + Briton Ferry (25 points) go down.
3rd: Llwydcoed (10.5 points) go up ; Porthaethwy Menai Bridge (23 points) go down
4th: Upper Rhondda (12 points) + Melingriffith2, Pontypool,Newport,Crwbin (all 13 points) all go up


Again I suggest you rely on the official notification and subject to appeal etc..not on my say.

For clarity regarding this the rules state:
e)In the sections 1, 2, 3, 4, the bands with the two best aggregate placings over the previous three years will be promoted. In the case where two or more bands tie with equal first placing, then only these bands will be promoted. If two or more bands tie with equal second placing, then these bands, in addition to the first placed band, will be promoted.
g) In the Championship, 1st , 2nd and 3rd sections, the two bands with the lowest aggregate placings over the last three years will be relegated. In the case where two or more bands tie with equal last placing, then only these bands will be relegated. If two or more bands tie with equal second to last placing, then these bands, in addition to the last placed band, will be relegated.
n) Any band failing to compete for three consecutive years will be removed from the grading tables at the end of the third year, prior to the determination of promotion or relegation in that section. If such a band wishes to resume participation in the contest, it will be treated as a first time entry in accordance with Rule (i)

Rules available from http://www.nationalbrassbandchampionships.com/

Cheers

Rich
In the first section, Pontardulais came 1st pal.
:)

[ilovespheres]

Had a fantastic weekend with Deiniolen which gave a brilliant performance on Saturday – a bit gutted we didn’t win but a huge congratulations to the band and my brother for picking up the best Instrumentalist in Section Two! =) – But bring on Harrogate! 3rd time lucky!?!? – After last year and 2005!

There’s also a new site from The Welsh Regional Council with the gradings and results - http://welshbrass.org.uk/

[Alyn James]

In the first section, Pontardulais came 1st pal.
:)

Congratulations on that.
But why have you quoted OneTonBass? Have I missed something? :-?

[Rustonw]

If the rules are applied then 4 bands will drop from the Champ section and 2 will be promoted from the first section leaving 9 in each section.

[baritoneosh]

Delighted to be back at the Finals in September. Pity we didnt win, but delighted to qualify. Danial our Euphonium played fantastic, well deserved Best Instrumentalist . Can't wait for Harrogate in September.

[OneTonBass]

Unfortunately I can't quote all the rules. :-) but essentially if there are less than ten bands in the section only 1 go up and down from that section(unless tied by points). Hence section 1 & 3 in Wales only 1 go up and down.

So next year 2 will go up from 1st section, and only 1 will come down as the section sizes have changed.

Link to rules in previous post.

I know what you were hoping :-)

[OneTonBass]

Must not forget something very important....If you win the National Finals then you can do a "Ton" and get promoted automatically regardless of where you were in the grading table.
So this could apply to Pontarddulais and Wrexham (additionally to all the other qualifiers) for example.

Go get em!

[Rustonw]

Thanks, that clears that up.

[the shed builder]

:terrierYIPPEE!!!:terrier Albert Hall for Ton!
Didn't hear Cory but Tred were something else!:clap:
congratulations to you all! by the way alyn, you look nothing like your picture....;)

[Val]

After having made the long trip back up through Wales last night and having had time to reflect on the adjudication, I feel that I must post a comment. Rhyl were naturally disappointed to come 6th in Section 4 but obviously Mr Hardy considered that there were 5 better performances. No problem there, but I wonder if other 4th section bands would mind sharing their opinion about the adjudicator's comments. Mr Hardy wrote a full A4 sheet of comments but I was hard pushed to find one single positive remark. It seems that our performance was just plain awful, but surely there must have been something positive that he could have said which would have provided some encouragement. This was the first time the Band has managed to compete at the Area for some years and I am concerned that our negative comments will set back the re-building process yet again. I remember playing many years ago at Blackpool in the 4th section and coming about 22nd out of 24 bands - but even then the comments were not all bad as the adjudicator understood how important it is to encourage lower section bands. The main problem Mr Hardy had with us was that the balance was top heavy, that some sections were rushed (despite being within the tempo markings) and upper cornets were 'aggressive' - so be it (unfortunately I was playing Solo Cornet so must hold up my hand!!) However, no mention was made of the other sections - do those players take it that no comment means they were just OK, or good, or excellent, or also rubbish but not quite as bad as the cornets?? Please believe me, this IS NOT sour grapes - I have no problem with coming 6th but just wondered if Mr Hardy's comments were consistently harsh!

Anyway, the bright spot is that both Wrexham and Deiniolen qualified for the finals from North Wales - well done :clap:

[thatbassplayer]

Congratulations on that.
But why have you quoted OneTonBass? Have I missed something? :-?

Alyn... because he said in first section markham were first... when we were :) oh and well done to you morg and david on qualifiying :) tell morg il see him if hes comming to the west glam concert next week!! all the best!

Ceri!

[Alyn James]

congratulations to you all! by the way alyn, you look nothing like your picture....;)

Like my new pic? Officially changing my name next Thursday afternoon. Pam's not too keen on being called Mrs. Hall but I've promised her she'll get used to it....:)
Brilliant meetin' you at last yesterday...long may the banter continue!! ;)

P.S. KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KKKKKatieRocKKKKKKKKKKKKs!!:biggrin:

[Alyn James]

Alyn... because he said in first section markham were first... when we were :) oh and well done to you morg and david on qualifiying :) tell morg il see him if hes comming to the west glam concert next week!! all the best!

Ceri!

Mog says,"Not if he sees you first"....:D

[RobBari]

Alyn... because he said in first section markham were first... when we were :) oh and well done to you morg and david on qualifiying :) tell morg il see him if hes comming to the west glam concert next week!! all the best!

Ceri!
i think the 1st in front of Markham relates to 1st section and not to the placing on Saturday. The same as 2nd in front of Tylorstown relates to 2nd section and not their placing at Swansea. and so on for the other sections.

[KKKKatie]

Like my new pic? Officially changing my name next Thursday afternoon. Pam's not too keen on being called Mrs. Hall but I've promised her she'll get used to it....:)
Brilliant meetin' you at last yesterday...long may the banter continue!! ;)

P.S. KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KKKKKatieRocKKKKKKKKKKKKs!!:biggrin:


HAHA... love it. I sure do!! :woo I like the fact there is no such mention about the shed builder :-)

[thatbassplayer]

i think the 1st in front of Markham relates to 1st section and not to the placing on Saturday. The same as 2nd in front of Tylorstown relates to 2nd section and not their placing at Swansea. and so on for the other sections.

ahh. sorry about that :) im still new to all this tbh guys. only been in a contesting band properly for over 2 years :)

[Chris Hicks]

KKKKatie, totally random question with absolutely nothing to do with the welsh areas, are you from clevedon originally, or the local area??

[hellraiser]

Please believe me, this IS NOT sour grapes - I have no problem with coming 6th but just wondered if Mr Hardy's comments were consistently harsh!


I agree with you that's harsh. Adjudicators should know that bands in 4th section have a lot of youth / are re-building and be more encouraging. If they're that miserable and negative then maybe they should do something else with their weekends.

Anyway adjudications don't make much sense at the best of times, lot of remarks aren't meaningful, good performances by band or soloists don't get praised etc. I'm glad you were able to get a band together in Rhyl and make that long trip to Swansea; hope you can keep on going and make it next year as well.

[Alyn James]

This was the first time the Band has managed to compete at the Area for some years and I am concerned that our negative comments will set back the re-building process yet again. I remember playing many years ago at Blackpool in the 4th section and coming about 22nd out of 24 bands - but even then the comments were not all bad as the adjudicator understood how important it is to encourage lower section bands.


Well done for making it down here.You'd be amazed how many of us have had experiences similar to yours. Glynneath came 23rd out of 22 bands at the 1975 3rd Section Finals (see - I still bear the mental scar! :)).
It's easy to feel unloved and "dissed" when you're working to develop a band. Chin up and keep at it - when a band "clicks" things can begin to go very right very quickly.
Good luck.....bet you make it to Harrogate within 2/3 years! ;)

[Euph1888]

Well another welsh area done and dusted, heard most of the championship section (9 out of 10) and thought that he got the right top three however thought Point of Ayr played well and deserved higher than eighth, in all the bands you couldn't hear the details in some of the sections it was just a wash of sound, goodness knows what is was like in a sports centre (the North) if it sounds that bad in the brangwyn

Year upon year things don't improve At least the bar got rid of the wibbly wibbly glasses however a step up in more ways than one this year we got changed on some stairs this year in the corridor and bands were on top of each other with each band possessions mixed in with others - absolutely no thought about security

The day before the band I play for band Wrexham Brass played really well on Moorside - Bring on Harrogate and congratulations to the Winners - anyone know when the announce the pieces for the Finals - After a run of test pieces which has read Festival Music, Salute to Youth, Spectrum, then Moorside for our band lets hope they pick a modern good'un - My Choice!!! Concerto Grosso (Sparke) anyone????

[KKKKatie]

KKKKatie, totally random question with absolutely nothing to do with the welsh areas, are you from clevedon originally, or the local area??

Im from Bristol originally, and played for clevedon brass band. My Dad was MD for years and my mum and brother still play with them. Why do you ask?

[Big Gav]

Had a fantastic weekend with Deiniolen. Band played brilliantly, which is why I was jumping up and down and shouting on stage!!

Dissapointed with Beaumaris' result on Sunday. Thought we gave a decent performance but Mr Brownbill didn't like any of it!!

Fantastic result for Tredegar, and a special well done to Dewi.

[Chris Hicks]

Im from Bristol originally, and played for clevedon brass band. My Dad was MD for years and my mum and brother still play with them. Why do you ask?

Just noticed all your previous bands were all local so just wondered really

[The_Eighth_Dwarf]

Unfortunately I can't quote all the rules. :-) but essentially if there are less than ten bands in the section only 1 go up and down from that section(unless tied by points). Hence section 1 & 3 in Wales only 1 go up and down.

So next year 2 will go up from 1st section, and only 1 will come down as the section sizes have changed.

Link to rules in previous post.

I know what you were hoping :-)


But although only 7 bands played in the 3rd section there are I believe 11 registered bands in that section so it should be 2 up and 2 down still.

[OneTonBass]

But although only 7 bands played in the 3rd section there are I believe 11 registered bands in that section so it should be 2 up and 2 down still.

Nope, only 9 in 3rd section, according to the programme and the welsh area website
http://welshbrass.org.uk

[OneTonBass]

Any ideas why some areas have 1 adjudicator and others have 2. Should the rule makers standardise this rather than leave it to the regional committees?

[Griffis]

Had a fantastic weekend with Deiniolen. Band played brilliantly, which is why I was jumping up and down and shouting on stage!!

Dissapointed with Beaumaris' result on Sunday. Thought we gave a decent performance but Mr Brownbill didn't like any of it!!

Fantastic result for Tredegar, and a special well done to Dewi.

Diolch Gav!!
Remember, if Deiniolen need any help with carrying luggage or percussion up to Harrogate...give me a shout ;)
All seriousness though, well done to you, the band, and of course Daniel!

[Val]

It's easy to feel unloved and "dissed" when you're working to develop a band. Chin up and keep at it - when a band "clicks" things can begin to go very right very quickly.
Good luck.....bet you make it to Harrogate within 2/3 years! ;)

Thanks Alyn. Unfortunately I shall be retiring again shortly to the South of France so this was probably my last chance! Oh well, back to the c****y wind bands...