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David Mann
05.01.2010, 22:02
I'm looking for two pieces, arranged for BB or (at a pinch) wind band:

Bayerischer Defiliermarsch (Adolf Scherzer)

Bergvielschen Walzer

I've tried some of the obvious publishers / databases!

brassneck
05.01.2010, 22:35
Bayerischer Defiliermarsch (Adolf Scherzer) - here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.musik-direkt.com/SCHERZER-ADOLF-Bayrischer-Defiliermarsch-fuer-Blasmusik_px158873de.html&ei=vL1DS7aQA46rjAfjmMCADg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CCEQ7gEwBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DBayerischer%2BDefiliermarsch%2B(Adolf %2BScherzer)%26hl%3Den) (it's for brass)

David Mann
06.01.2010, 09:21
Bayerischer Defiliermarsch (Adolf Scherzer) - here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.musik-direkt.com/SCHERZER-ADOLF-Bayrischer-Defiliermarsch-fuer-Blasmusik_px158873de.html&ei=vL1DS7aQA46rjAfjmMCADg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CCEQ7gEwBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3DBayerischer%2BDefiliermarsch%2B%28Ado lf%2BScherzer%29%26hl%3Den) (it's for brass)

:tup Thanks for that! I have the other one on CD but, frustratingly, it doesn't credit the composer or publisher.

brassneck
06.01.2010, 18:21
:tup Thanks for that! I have the other one on CD but, frustratingly, it doesn't credit the composer or publisher.

Not a scooby on Google either ... :mad:

swisscornet
06.01.2010, 20:43
are you sure about the spelling? Bergvielschen Walzer doesn't make too much sense to me.

On which CD is the piece?

David Mann
07.01.2010, 20:30
are you sure about the spelling? Bergvielschen Walzer doesn't make too much sense to me.

On which CD is the piece?

Correct spelling is Bergveilchen (Walzer) - means mountain violet I think. It's on 2 CD set Auf zum biergarten - Hitparade der blasmusik published by GEMA 567 798. I don't know when it was published, I bought the CD over 10 years ago in Ostend.

swisscornet
08.01.2010, 11:22
yes, you're right it means mountain violet.

Unfortunately I cannot find it either in the Internet.

David Mann
08.01.2010, 13:17
I might have to see if there's a German equivalent of TMP - der Mundstuck perhaps?

Jerry
08.01.2010, 15:32
The composer might be Hans Otter, have a look here (http://webapp.uibk.ac.at/tontraegerkatalog/mws.xsql?&tontraeger_id=118). Can't find much in the way of a publisher or other source for the sheet music, though, sorry.

David Mann
08.01.2010, 17:22
The composer might be Hans Otter, have a look here (http://webapp.uibk.ac.at/tontraegerkatalog/mws.xsql?&tontraeger_id=118). Can't find much in the way of a publisher or other source for the sheet music, though, sorry.

Thanks for that! This is turning into a bit of a quest..
It's possible to find several pieces by Herr Otter, but not Bergveilchen. However, his Wittgenstein Walzer has the same theme, wonder if it was renamed or recycled? This all started because I thought it might be good to play a Landler this summer.

Rhonda
09.01.2010, 19:40
Hi there,
perhaps this might be of any help to you:

Here is the track list(Trackliste) of some Heimatlieder CD

https://www.shop24direct.de/page.php?p=product&a=view&l=1&z=37&c=24&t=284&PHPSESSID=18b92340520373e62eb2ac945c79a870&PHPSESSID=18b92340520373e62eb2ac945c79a870

On the first CD, number 18, is the Bergveilchen-walzer, played bei "Bergland Trio".

I looked up their home page:
http://www.bergland-trio.de/

Perhaps you can contact them and find out where they got their sheet music from.

If you need any help with German I'd be glad to help

Rhonda

brassneck
09.01.2010, 19:46
I looked into this and got the impression that the tracks were older recordings ... a bit like the fayre you get in the major outlets for bands.

David Mann
09.01.2010, 21:09
Hi there,
perhaps this might be of any help to you:

Here is the track list(Trackliste) of some Heimatlieder CD

https://www.shop24direct.de/page.php?p=product&a=view&l=1&z=37&c=24&t=284&PHPSESSID=18b92340520373e62eb2ac945c79a870&PHPSESSID=18b92340520373e62eb2ac945c79a870

On the first CD, number 18, is the Bergveilchen-walzer, played bei "Bergland Trio".

I looked up their home page:
http://www.bergland-trio.de/

Perhaps you can contact them and find out where they got their sheet music from.

If you need any help with German I'd be glad to help

Rhonda

I might take you up on this, I'd want to find out who the publisher is - I think we've established that the composer is Hans Otter.
Das ist sehr freundlich von Ihnen *reaching for phrasebook*.

Rhonda
10.01.2010, 14:31
I'd get in touch with this Bergland Trio lot.
"Volksmusik" is quite a big thing in Germany( a good reason to stay clear of Germany and the Germans I have to admit:biggrin:). Hence even if these are old(er) recordings/CDs they are still available and the Bergland Trio (I shudder to think what they might sound like...) should have the sheet music in their archive.

If you are really absolutely hooked on this particular piece the last resource might be the GEMA, the German equivalent to British PRS.

http://www.gema.de/

Not a lot I personally would like having to deal with.
Just send me a PM if you need any help with German.

Rhonda

Jerry
15.01.2010, 11:11
"Volksmusik" is quite a big thing in Germany( a good reason to stay clear of Germany and the Germans I have to admit:biggrin:).

Ah, but Volksmusik usually comes with beer, which is a good reason to conquer such aversions! :wink:

Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

iancwilx
15.01.2010, 11:44
Ah, but Volksmusik usually comes with beer, which is a good reason to conquer such aversions! :wink:

Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

"Ein Prosit der Gemutlichkeit" (Hic !)

- Herr Wilx

Rhonda
15.01.2010, 15:23
Thank God, where I come from beer is available without Volksmusik !!!!!
Otherwise I would have gone a tea total decades ago.

Rhonda
15.01.2010, 15:27
Not bad, Herr Wilx,
pity your keyboard doesn't have "ü".;)
Then it would be just about perfekt!!
Sehr gut. Setzen!:biggrin:

Jerry
15.01.2010, 16:18
Thank God, where I come from beer is available without Volksmusik !!!!!

Ha ha, but a sufficient quantity of the amber nectar will render even the most noxious Volksmusik a heavenly sound! And a few Maß further into your evening you will have started singing and swaying with the best of them!!

In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus
Oans, zwoa, gsuffa :guiness

Rhonda
15.01.2010, 16:50
Ha ha, but a sufficient quantity of the amber nectar will render even the most noxious Volksmusik a heavenly sound!

Oh oh..... Have you seen a specialist or asked your GP about this? You might have a problem with your hearing:tongue:

We don't have "a Maß" in our region.

BTW: where did you get the "ß" ?
I had to buy an extra (German) keyboard for my ß, ä, ü, ö :frown:

Rhonda
15.01.2010, 16:58
@ Jerry
Ok, I got it. I know why you've got all the nice Umlaute on your keyboard :biggrin:

Glück auf!

Jerry
15.01.2010, 17:02
Oh oh..... Have you seen a specialist or asked your GP about this? You might have a problem with your hearing:tongue:

No, my hearing is perfectly sound, it's my liver that's dodgy!


We don't have "a Maß" in our region.

I know, these puny pints are no good, are they?!


BTW: where did you get the "ß" ?
I had to buy an extra (German) keyboard for my ß, ä, ü, ö :frown:

I use the ASCII codes: hold down your Alt key while typing the following number sequences on your keypad (Num Lock needs to be engaged):

ä = 132
ü = 129
ö = 148
ß = 225

Release the Alt key having typed the number sequence and voilà your special character will appear!

Kein Problem, alles ganz einfach!

Rhonda
15.01.2010, 17:18
Originally Posted by Rhonda http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/webchat/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?p=727190#post727190)
We don't have "a Maß" in our region.


I know, these puny pints are no good, are they?!

Actually, I didn't mean here in Wales, but in Germany. We use "Stangen". And coming from the right side of the Rhine, which is the left side, I only drink "Reissdorf Kölsch" and wouldn't touch "Altbier". In Germany, that is. Although we spend plenty of time at the "Dortmunder Kronenbräu" during my studies. You could say it was part of our studies:wink:

Alles ganz einfach, ist gut. Das konnte mir nicht mal ein Computerspezi sagen,wie ich an Umlaute komme. Sie hat mir lieber ein deutsches Keyboard geschickt:eek:
(@ all non German speakers: no, we are not being naughty, just a bit off topic)

iancwilx
15.01.2010, 18:48
Ha ha, but a sufficient quantity of the amber nectar will render even the most noxious Volksmusik a heavenly sound! And a few Maß further into your evening you will have started singing and swaying with the best of them!!

In München steht ein Hofbräuhaus
Oans, zwoa, gsuffa :guiness

Don't get me onto this please. I ran an psuedo Bavarian Oompah Band for 30 odd years but have thankfully put it all behind me now. My schunkling days are over !

- Herr Wilx

iancwilx
15.01.2010, 18:56
Not bad, Herr Wilx,
pity your keyboard doesn't have "ü"
Then it would be just about perfekt!!
Sehr gut. Setzen!:biggrin:

Oh for an umlaute on the keyboard !

I'm going to follow the other posters instructions and install one immediately !!
- Herr Wilx

iancwilx
15.01.2010, 19:08
I use the ASCII codes: hold down your Alt key while typing the following number sequences on your keypad (Num Lock needs to be engaged):

ä = 132
ü = 129
ö = 148
ß = 225

Release the Alt key having typed the number sequence and voilà your special character will appear!

Kein Problem, alles ganz einfach!

I really must thank you for that information.
I wish I'd known about it a few years ago when I was heavily involved with all things Bavarian.
I'm going to try it out right now !

- Mr Wilx

Rhonda
15.01.2010, 19:17
I could send you my spare German keyboard:biggrin:

You know how I got Umlaute before I got the German keyboard? I went to a German website and copied the things I needed. :wink:

Anyway Volkmusik isn't worth wasting good webspace for. Just pretend it doesn't exist.

Rhonda

iancwilx
15.01.2010, 19:29
You know how I got Umlaute before I got the German keyboard? I went to a German website and copied the things I needed. :wink:

Rhonda

Soooooooo devious, but Sooooooooo clever !
You're a very useful person to chat to !
I live and learn.

- Mr Wilx

Rhonda
15.01.2010, 19:46
Oh no, not useful, just lazy and a bit desperate. Can you imagine how it feels having to write ue,ae,oe,ss when your fingers tell you to write Umlaute?

Just stay clear of Germans(Bavarians) and their language :biggrin: (did I really write this???? Good Lord, I'm going British!!!!!!!)

Rhonda

Jerry
15.01.2010, 21:15
Don't get me onto this please. I ran an psuedo Bavarian Oompah Band for 30 odd years but have thankfully put it all behind me now. My schunkling days are over !

No problem, I shall desist! I am not a particularly fervent proponent of all things Bavarian in any event, but I have played at a goodly number of Schützenfeste in my time - in Westfalen and Niedersachsen. Less Geschunkel, just as much beer, plus a few other delicacies, such as Wacholder Schnaps: the blood curdles at the mere thought!

iancwilx
15.01.2010, 22:39
No problem, I shall desist! I am not a particularly fervent proponent of all things Bavarian in any event, but I have played at a goodly number of Schützenfeste in my time - in Westfalen and Niedersachsen. Less Geschunkel, just as much beer, plus a few other delicacies, such as Wacholder Schnaps: the blood curdles at the mere thought!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't decide whether that was a cry of agony or ecstacy - the memories torture my high faluting morality !!!!

- Mr Wilx

Jerry
15.01.2010, 22:58
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't decide whether that was a cry of agony or ecstacy - the memories torture my high faluting morality !!!!

Ecstasy, surely!!!!

Rhonda
16.01.2010, 11:58
The both of you should definitely see a specialist!!!!:eek: