Paddy's Yorkshire Area 2010

[Paddy Flower]

A few Yorkshire bands (mostly 2nd section) made the trip south to Bolsover...

Championship Section
Black Dyke - Evens fav
Grimethorpe Colliery - 4/1
Brighouse & Rastirck - 6/1
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 14/1
Rothwell Temperance - 40/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 66/1
Skelmanthorpe - 66/1
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 100/1
Powerfuel Hatfield Colliery - 100/1
Wakefield Metropolitan - 350/1
Stannington - 500/1 (from 350/1)
Drighlington - 2000/1
Old Silkstone - 3500/1

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Hammonds Saltaire - 4/6 fav
Yorkshire Imperial Urquart Travel - 8/1
Stocksbridge - 18/1
Hebden Bridge - 22/1
Holme Silver (Disposables UK Group) - 25/1
Hade Edge - 28/1
Yorkshire Co-op - 33/1
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 33/1
Kippax - 33/1
Cornerstone Brass - 66/1
Lindley - 100/1
Slaithwaite - 100/1

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Frickley/South Elmsall - 11/4 fav (from 9/4)
Strata Brass - 100/30 (9/2)
Knottingley Silver - 11/1 (10/1)
Grange Moor - 11/1
Dodworth Colliery MW - 12/1
South Yorkshire Police - 14/1 (22/1)
Hammonds/YBS? Concert Brass - 16/1 (14/1)
Emley Brass - 16/1 (18/1)
Barnsley Building Society - 25/1 (22/1)
Horbury Victoria - 50/1 (40/1)
Garforth - 66/1 (50/1)
Rockingham - 100/1 (66/1)

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Crofton Silver - 2/1 fav
Gawthorpe - 7/1
Wetherby & District Silver - 11/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 12/1
Elland Silver - 14/1
Lofthouse 2000 - 14/1
Maltby Miners Welfare - 16/1
Gawthorpe Brass '85' - 18/1
Skelmanthorpe 'B' - 25/1
West Yorkshire Police - 25/1
Chapeltown Silver - 25/1
Armthorpe Elmfield - 40/1

[Paddy Flower]

Fourth Section
Linthwaite - 13/2 fav
Dinnington - 7/1
Huddersfield & Ripponden Brass - 7/1
Thurcroft Welfare - 8/1
Deepcar - 8/1
Wilsden - 9/1
Barnsley Metropolitan - 9/1
Worsborough Brass - 14/1
Oughtibridge - 18/1
Friendly Band (Sowerby Bridge) - 20/1
Tingley Brass - 40/1

[ploughboy]

I'll have a cyber tenner on Cornerstone at 66's please! that's got to be value, I heard them at Butlins this year, If they produce that form for the area, they'll be hard to beat.

[2nd man down]

Rothwell might be worth a punt at 40/1 too...Hmmmm, thinking about it.

[Paddy Flower]

Following the huge success of last weekend...

Championship Section
Grimethorpe Colliery - 5/4 fav
Brighouse & Rastirck - 9/4
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 10/1
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 14/1
Skelmanthorpe - 25/1
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 33/1
Powerfuel Hatfield Colliery - 50/1
Wakefield Metropolitan - 100/1
Stannington - 250/1
Drighlington - 500/1
Old Silkstone - 1000/1

This market is now being quoted x-Dyke and x-Rothwell as they have already qualified for Oct 2010

[Paddy Flower]

A few Yorkshire bands made the trip to Prestatyn...

Championship Section
Grimethorpe Colliery - 5/4 fav
Brighouse & Rastirck - 9/4
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 10/1
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 14/1
Skelmanthorpe - 22/1 (from 25/1)
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 40/1 (33/1)
Powerfuel Hatfield Colliery - 50/1
Wakefield Metropolitan - 150/1 (100/1)
Stannington - 250/1
Drighlington - 1000/1 (500/1)
Old Silkstone - 1000/1
This market is now being quoted x-Dyke and x-Rothwell as they have already qualified for Oct 2010

Pontins (Skelmanthorpe, Marsden, Wakey Met, Drighlington, Old Silkstone)

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Hammonds Saltaire - 8/13 fav (from 4/6)
Stocksbridge - 18/1
Kippax - 50/1 (33/1)
Lindley - 100/1

Pontins (Stocksbridge, Kippax & Lindley)

All other prices are as per previous post

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Frickley/South Elmsall - 3/1 fav (from 11/4)
Strata Brass - 4/1 (100/30)
Knottingley Silver - 11/1
Grange Moor - 12/1 (11/1)
Dodworth Colliery MW - 14/1 (12/1)
Barnsley Building Society - 14/1 (25/1)
South Yorkshire Police - 14/1
Hammonds/YBS? Concert Brass - 16/1
Emley Brass - 16/1
Horbury Victoria - 50/1
Garforth - 66/1
Rockingham - 100/1

Pontins (Barnsley Building Society)

[critic]

Rothwell might be worth a punt at 40/1 too...Hmmmm, thinking about it.

they mayh ave qualified but at 40/1theyare a great bet

[Paddy Flower]

they mayh ave qualified but at 40/1theyare a great bet

Rothwell (and Dyke) are out of this market now as they've pre-qual. I won't be offering prices on them from hear on in.

[budstellabecks]

Rothwell (and Dyke) are out of this market now as they've pre-qual. I won't be offering prices on them from hear on in.

Don't they still compete at the area though regardless?

[Paddy Flower]

Don't they still compete at the area though regardless?

They do, their pre-qual invite is conditional on them still competing at their area contest

[tkhbss]

They do, their pre-qual invite is conditional on them still competing at their area contest
I guess it depends on whether this is a book about the contest or qualification for London. If it as about the contest then Rothwell and Dyke should still be quoted.

[Paddy Flower]

I guess it depends on whether this is a book about the contest or qualification for London. If it as about the contest then Rothwell and Dyke should still be quoted.

OK, time for controversy...

Pre-qualified bands don't go to their area with the same level of intensity as others who are fighting for an Albert Hall invite (there, i've said it).

An assessment of their chances of winning would be based on my speculation of how seriously they would be taking this as a one-off contest, i don't want to do that sort of speculation.

[iancwilx]

I guess it depends on whether this is a book about the contest or qualification for London. If it as about the contest then Rothwell and Dyke should still be quoted.

It seems strange to me that prequal bands have to compete for a prize they have already won - a chance to compete in the National Championships.
I suppose they are also competing for they're own Area Championship.
That could be a somewhat tenuous reason for their attendance, or is the real reason that it would be a hollow victory for the winning band if the "Big Guns" didn't take part, and perhaps audiences would be reduced if the "Giants" weren't on show.

The same applies at the British Open with the rule that if a band does the "Hat Trick" and wins it three times in successive years then the band is barred for the fourth year.
I mean, has the band that wins it in the fourth year won a true victory as they weren't competing against the previous three times winner as it had been barred ?

- Mr Wilx

[Paddy Flower]

It seems strange to me that prequal bands have to compete for a prize they have already won - a chance to compete in the National Championships.
I suppose they are also competing for they're own Area Championship.
That could be a somewhat tenuous reason for their attendance, or is the real reason that it would be a hollow victory for the winning band if the "Big Guns" didn't take part, and perhaps audiences would be reduced if the "Giants" weren't on show.



Bands have to go to their area regardless of pre-qualification and whatever the authorities tell us is the reason for this, we all know it's down to money, ticket sales to be more precise.

I have an idea that could solve this. Why not make ALL of the Championship Sections a two test piece contest like the Europeans, Oz & NZ Nationals and pretty much every continental national. By adding an own-choice part of the contest it's surely going to up the number of ticket sales at ALL EIGHT areas and take away this charade of pre-qual bands having to face the expense of another contest which they wouldn't normally go to.

We're always banging on about why we should expect Joe Public to listen to 12 bands play the same music, here's a double solution.

Discuss

[Thirteen Ball]

In NZ the bands have to play a sacred Item as well as the set piece and an own-choice piece (IE: a hymn or other religious piece of music, though not restricted to christian music) and the results are based on the points over the three.

If someone would bite the bullet and move the national finals away from london, that's a feasible format isn't it?

[Paddy Flower]

In NZ the bands have to play a sacred Item as well as the set piece and an own-choice piece (IE: a hymn or other religious piece of music, though not restricted to christian music) and the results are based on the points over the three.

If someone would bite the bullet and move the national finals away from london, that's a feasible format isn't it?

I'd go with the own choice part being March-Sacred-Test on Day 2 with the set piece being on Day 1 (EVEN BETTER FOR TICKET SALES!!)

Why would they need to move the final away from London?

I wouldn't be advocating any change at all there just re-vamp the Areas in the championship section

[Thirteen Ball]

Problem is when you hav only one venue (such as yorkshire) you'd never get the rest of the bands through as well as the top section unless you split the contest over two weeks, meaning more adjudication time, further venue hire etc. which would be horrible logistically.

I think it could be made to work at the finals, but not the areas....

As for moving the finals away from london, rubbish beer, only two pubs, a half-empty hall that a band cannot fill with sound, ridiculously expensive accommodation... Surely there's a better way?

[Paddy Flower]

Championship Section
Grimethorpe Colliery - Evens fav (from 5/4)
Brighouse & Rastirck - 11/5 (9/4)
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 16/1 (14/1)
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 22/1 (10/1)
Skelmanthorpe - 28/1 (22/1)
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 50/1 (40/1)
Powerfuel Hatfield Colliery - 66/1 (50/1)
Wakefield Metropolitan - 150/1
Stannington - 350/1 (250/1)
Drighlington - 2000/1 (1000/1)
Old Silkstone - 3500/1 (1000/1)

This market is now being quoted x-Dyke and x-Rothwell as they have already qualified for Oct 2010

15/11 Brass in Concert (B&R, Frickley, Grimey)
15/11 Wilkinson Northern Open (Stannington & Old Silks)
15/11 Kippax (Drig)
28/11 Scottish Open (Marsden)

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Hammonds Saltaire - 8/13 fav
Yorkshire Imperial Urquart Travel - 7/1 (from 8/1)
Stocksbridge - 20/1 (18/1)
Hebden Bridge - 25/1 (22/1)
Holme Silver (Disposables UK Group) - 28/1 (25/1)
Hade Edge - 28/1
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 40/1 (33/1)
Yorkshire Co-op - 50/1 (33/1)
Kippax - 50/1
Cornerstone Brass - 66/1
Lindley - 100/1
Slaithwaite - 150/1 (100/1)

1/11 Malton (Co-op)
15/11 Wilkinson Northern Open (Hammonds & Imps)
29/11 Leicester BBA (Imps & Co-op)

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Frickley/South Elmsall - 11/4 fav (from 3/1)
Strata Brass - 4/1
Knottingley Silver - 11/1
Grange Moor - 12/1
Dodworth Colliery MW - 12/1 (14/1)
Barnsley Building Society - 14/1
South Yorkshire Police - 14/1
Hammonds/YBS? Concert Brass - 16/1
Emley Brass - 16/1
Horbury Victoria - 50/1
Garforth - 66/1
Rockingham - 100/1

1/11 Malton (Grange Moor)
22/11 West Mids BBA - Leamington Spa (Strata)

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Crofton Silver - 13/8 fav (from 2/1)
Gawthorpe - 15/2 (7/1)
Wetherby & District Silver - 11/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 14/1 (12/1)
Elland Silver - 14/1
Lofthouse 2000 - 16/1 (14/1)
Maltby Miners Welfare - 18/1 (16/1)
Gawthorpe Brass '85' - 22/1 (18/1)
Skelmanthorpe 'B' - 25/1
West Yorkshire Police - 28/1 (25/1)
Chapeltown Silver - 28/1 (25/1)
Armthorpe Elmfield - 50/1 (40/1)

15/11 Wilkinson Northern Open (Crofton)
22/11 Durham County BBA (Wetherby)

[Paddy Flower]

Fourth Section

No bands (to my knowledge) have competed since the last prices

[Paddy Flower]

Championship Section
Grimethorpe Colliery - Evens fav
Brighouse & Rastirck - 9/4 (from 11/5)
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 14/1 (16/1)
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 22/1
Skelmanthorpe - 28/1
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 50/1
Hatfield Powerfuel - 66/1
Wakefield Metropolitan - 150/1
Stannington - 350/1
Drighlington - 2000/1
Old Silkstone - 3500/1
This market is being quoted x-Dyke and x-Rothwell as they have already qualified for Oct 2010
Butlins (Hepworth & Hatfield)

The Fancys - 1/3
From the Pack - 4/1
An Outsider - 20/1

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Hammonds Saltaire - 4/6 fav (from 8/13)
Yorkshire Imperial Urquart Travel - 11/1 (7/1)
City of Sheffield (Stocksbridge) - 14/1 (20/1)
Hebden Bridge - 16/1 (25/1)
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 18/1 (40/1)
Holme Silver (Disposables UK Group) - 28/1
Hade Edge - 33/1 (28/1)
Kippax - 33/1 (50/1)
Cornerstone Brass - 40/1 (66/1)
Yorkshire Co-op - 100/1 (50/1)
Lindley - 100/1
Slaithwaite - 100/1
Butlins (Imps, Stocksbridge, Hebden Bridge, Meltham, Kippax, Cornerstone, Yorks Co-op)

The Fancys - 4/6 (Hammonds)
From the Pack - 15/8
An Outsider - 18/1

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Frickley/South Elmsall - 11/4 fav
Strata Brass - 4/1
South Yorkshire Police - 10/1 (from 14/1)
Knottingley Silver - 11/1
Grange Moor - 12/1
Barnsley Building Society - 14/1
City of Bradford (YBS Concert) - 16/1
Emley Brass - 16/1
Dodworth Colliery MW - 16/1 (12/1)
Horbury Victoria - 50/1
Garforth - 66/1
Rockingham - 100/1
Butlins (Dodworth & Sth Yorks Fuzz)

The Fancys - 5/6
From the Pack - 6/4
An Outsider - 20/1

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Crofton Silver - 6/4 fav (from 13/8 )
Gawthorpe - 15/2
Wetherby & District Silver - 11/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 14/1
Elland Silver - 14/1
Lofthouse 2000 - 11/1
Gawthorpe Brass '85' - 20/1 (22/1)
Skelmanthorpe 'B' - 25/1
West Yorkshire Police - 28/1
Maltby Miners Welfare - 28/1 (18/1)
Chapeltown Silver - 28/1
Armthorpe Elmfield - 50/1
Butlins (Maltby)

The Fancys - 10/11
From the Pack - 11/10
An Outsider - 50/1 (Armthorpe)

[Paddy Flower]

Fourth Section
Thurcroft Welfare - 11/2 fav (from 8/1)
Linthwaite - 13/2
Dinnington - 7/1
Huddersfield & Ripponden Brass - 8/1 (7/1)
Deepcar - 9/1 (8/1)
Wilsden - 9/1
Barnsley Metropolitan - 9/1
Worsborough Brass - 14/1
Oughtibridge - 18/1
Friendly Band (Sowerby Bridge) - 22/1 (20/1)
Tingley Brass - 40/1
Butlins (Thurcroft & Hudds&Rip)

The Fancys - 2/9
From the Pack - 5/1
An Outsider - 40/1 (Tingley)

[YRBBC]

Pre-qualified bands don't go to their area with the same level of intensity as others who are fighting for an Albert Hall invite (there, i've said it).

An assessment of their chances of winning would be based on my speculation of how seriously they would be taking this as a one-off contest, i don't want to do that sort of speculation.

If you think this applies to Yorkshire regional you are very wrong.

Don't you think Rothwell Temperance want to be crowned Yorkshire Champions again ?
Don't you think Black Dyke want to be top dog at Bradford ?

They should be included in your runners and riders 'cause every band in our top section is out to win - nobody comes with the intention of just going through the motions - what a waste of time and money that exercise would be !

[YRBBC]

Fourth Section
Thurcroft Welfare - 11/2 fav (from 8/1)
Linthwaite - 13/2
Dinnington - 7/1
Huddersfield & Ripponden Brass - 8/1 (7/1)
Deepcar - 9/1 (8/1)
Wilsden - 9/1
Barnsley Metropolitan - 9/1
Worsborough Brass - 14/1
Oughtibridge - 18/1
Friendly Band (Sowerby Bridge) - 22/1 (20/1)
Tingley Brass - 40/1
Butlins (Thurcroft & Hudds&Rip)

The Fancys - 2/9
From the Pack - 5/1
An Outsider - 40/1 (Tingley)

Please delete Tingley - they haven't entered.

Why do Clifton & Lightcliffe 'B' Band and Haworth Band not appear on your list - they have both entered :?:

[Paddy Flower]

Please delete Tingley - they haven't entered.

Why do Clifton & Lightcliffe 'B' Band and Haworth Band not appear on your list - they have both entered :?:

If this is official confirmation I will indeed make the appropriate amendments, can you give me a link confirming this thanks.

[Paddy Flower]

If you think this applies to Yorkshire regional you are very wrong.

Don't you think Rothwell Temperance want to be crowned Yorkshire Champions again ?
Don't you think Black Dyke want to be top dog at Bradford ?

They should be included in your runners and riders 'cause every band in our top section is out to win - nobody comes with the intention of just going through the motions - what a waste of time and money that exercise would be !

1997
Brighouse & Rastrick 1st @ London
7th @ 1998 Area

1998
Brighouse & Rastrick 1st @ London
2nd @ Area

1999
Brighouse & Rastrick 2nd @ London
5th @ Area

2000
Brighouse & Rastrick 4th @ London
3rd @ Area

2001
Black Dyke 1st @ London
YBS 3rd @ London
1st & 4th respectively @ Area

2002
Black Dyke 3rd @ London
13th @ Area

2003
Black Dyke 4th @ London
2nd @ Area

2004
Black Dyke 1st @ London
YBS 2nd @ London
2nd & 3rd respectively @ Area

2005
Black Dyke 2nd @ London
Grimey 4th @ London
2nd & 1st respectively @ Area

2006
Grimey 1st @ London
Black Dyke 2nd @ London
YBS 3rd @ London
8th, 3rd & 11th respectively @ Area

2007
Grimey 1st @ London
Black Dyke 4th @ London
2nd & 1st respectively @ Area

2008
Black Dyke 1st @ London
Frickley 4th @ London
4th & 7th respectively @ Area

An average of 4.26th place for pre-qualified bands. Yes one or two blips but if Yorkshire pride was at stake wouldn't Dyke have entered every year when they didn't need to? (I think they went something like 20 years from mid-60s to mid 80s without making an appearance).

My point is pre-qual bands in ANY area don't go back to their qualifyer with the same intensity and therefore I can't use their form to give an accurate price for them.

[Paddy Flower]

Please delete Tingley - they haven't entered.

Why do Clifton & Lightcliffe 'B' Band and Haworth Band not appear on your list - they have both entered :?:

OK, I found the link myself

Haworth - 33/1

Clifton & Lightcliffe 'B', I have no past form for them so I won't quote a price just yet. Can anyone help there?

[Paddy Flower]

if Yorkshire pride was at stake wouldn't Dyke have entered every year when they didn't need to? (I think they went something like 20 years from mid-60s to mid 80s without making an appearance).



1969-81 just checked

[Laserbeam bass]

As for moving the finals away from London, rubbish beer,

Yep Timothy Taylor's Landlord for one, doesn't travel well



only two pubs,

Must be busy with 8,000,000 trying to get served at the same time


a half-empty hall that a band cannot fill with sound

Got me on that one


ridiculously expensive accommodation...

They saw you coming


Surely there's a better way?

Move it to Stratford after the Olympics, where there will be excellent travel connections from all the over country, a host of pubs (soon to be wine bars, and then back to boozers again, once all the commotion has died down)

A ready made upside down Sky Pavilion ala Butlins
Butlins or Stratford (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ImaEJzgK-V5mFM:http://www.stalok.com/imglib/Stratford%2520Bus%2520by%2520Night.JPG)

Hotels at £29.99 a night (or a tenner an hour) :confused:

Plenty of parking as they won't let West Ham take over the Olympic stadium so it can be used as a car/coach park

:wink:

All joking aside, they tried the locations up and down the country for the lower section finals, and funnily enough ended with a fixed term contract at Harrogate.

If anyone fancies lobbying Kapital and taking a survey of the residents we should push for:

Brennand Farm, near Dunsop Bridge, Lancashire (54°0′13.176″N 2°32′52.278″W / 54.00366°N 2.547855°W / 54.00366; -2.547855 (Centre of Great Britain); grid reference SD6418856541)

Good beer, may be a trek to the nearest pub, ample parking and the possibility of very cheap accommodation (take you own tent)

Back on topic




If you think this applies to Yorkshire regional you are very wrong.

*Don't you think Rothwell Temperance want to be crowned Yorkshire Champions again ?
**Don't you think Black Dyke want to be top dog at Bradford ?

***They should be included in your runners and riders 'cause every band in our top section is out to win - nobody comes with the intention of just going through the motions - what a waste of time and money that exercise would be !


*Yes
**Yes
*** They should not be included in the runners and riders for two reasons. If either band win the area, they would be at ridiculously short prices, and if they do not win, there would be cries of foul play that the bookmaker quoted them in the first place. Either way you can't keep every one happy, but this should strike a happy medium.

Wonder what Paddy thinks of my lyrical waxing on the virtues of a without fav's book :wink:

[Paddy Flower]

Wonder what Paddy thinks of my lyrical waxing on the virtues of a without fav's book :wink:

As usual Laserbeam, couldn't have put it better myself (shorter perhaps, but not better ;))

[Robhibberd29]

Can I have a bet on what my band's adjudicator's comments will say? ;-)

[Paddy Flower]

Can I have a bet on what my band's adjudicator's comments will say? ;-)

Presumably they will be (as always) well thought out and constructive... :)

[Robhibberd29]

Not much thinking goes into realising it's "too loud" ...I call that blatantly obvious (I'm allowed to be self critical) and that may not necessarily be constructive either.....

As usual it's down to interpretation I reckon. I play bass trom so I'll let you guess my thoughts on the matter ;-)

[Paddy Flower]

I play bass trom so I'll let you guess my thoughts on the matter ;-)

Is it true that on scores there is only ever TWO dynamic markings for Bass Trombone - ON and OFF ?? :tongue:

[E flat fred]

There is a huge difference between competing and attending, hence no bets,

[Paddy Flower]

There is a huge difference between competing and attending, hence no bets,

Is that going to be a 'No' vote in my poll then?

[Robhibberd29]

Maybe Mr E flat fred would care to elaborate? I'm not sure I follow his comment...

[Laserbeam bass]

Is it true that on scores there is only ever TWO dynamic markings for Bass Trombone - ON and OFF ?? :tongue:

No they are PP and FF

Pretty Powerful and Frightfully Frantic

[E flat fred]

Robhibberd 29.
It was a reply to Paddy Flower regarding Dyke and Rothwell having already qualified.

[geordiecolin]

If anyone fancies lobbying Kapital and taking a survey of the residents we should push for:

Brennand Farm, near Dunsop Bridge, Lancashire (54°0′13.176″N 2°32′52.278″W / 54.00366°N 2.547855°W / 54.00366; -2.547855 (Centre of Great Britain); grid reference SD6418856541)

Good beer, may be a trek to the nearest pub, ample parking and the possibility of very cheap accommodation (take you own tent)

A bit off topic I know, but I think the good people of Haltwhistle might something to say about that!

See here (http://www.centre-of-britain.org.uk/centre.htm)

[Laserbeam bass]

A bit off topic I know, but I think the good people of Haltwhistle might something to say about that!

See here (http://www.centre-of-britain.org.uk/centre.htm)

No probs just change the name, I got mine from Wikipedia :oops:

[geordiecolin]

I wouldn't worry, it seems to be a matter of dispute in any case! ;-)

[Thirteen Ball]

If you think this applies to Yorkshire regional you are very wrong.

Don't you think Rothwell Temperance want to be crowned Yorkshire Champions again ?
Don't you think Black Dyke want to be top dog at Bradford ?

They should be included in your runners and riders 'cause every band in our top section is out to win - nobody comes with the intention of just going through the motions - what a waste of time and money that exercise would be !

Black Dyke in 2003 springs to mind - although there was the further inducement of an utterly unrewarding test-piece in that situation. It can't be attributed entirely to them having pre-qualified but I think it would be wrong to discount it as a factor.

Either way, I can't see it happening this year.

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Hammonds Saltaire - 10/11 fav (from 4/6)
Yorkshire Imperial Urquart Travel - 9/1 (11/1)

City of Sheffield (Stocksbridge) - 12/1 (14/1)
Hebden Bridge - 14/1 (16/1)
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 14/1 (18/1)
Holme Silver (Disposables UK Group) - 22/1 (28/1)
Hade Edge - 28/1 (33/1)
Kippax - 28/1 (33/1)
Cornerstone Brass - 33/1 (40/1)

Yorkshire Co-op - 100/1
Lindley - 100/1
Slaithwaite - 100/1

7/2 Brass at the Guild (Hade Edge)

The Fancys - 8/13
From the Pack - 15/8
An Outsider - 33/1

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Frickley/South Elmsall - 100/30 fav (from 11/4)
Strata Brass - 9/2 (4/1)
Knottingley Silver - 9/1 (11/1)
South Yorkshire Police - 10/1

Grange Moor - 12/1
Barnsley Building Society - 12/1 (14/1)
City of Bradford (YBS Concert) - 14/1 (16/1)
Emley Brass - 14/1 (16/1)
Dodworth Colliery MW - 16/1

Horbury Victoria - 50/1
Garforth - 66/1
Rockingham - 100/1

7/2 Brass at the Guild (Knottingley)

The Fancys - 8/13
From the Pack - 2/1
An Outsider - 20/1

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Crofton Silver - 2/1 fav (from 6/4)
Gawthorpe Brass - 15/2
Wetherby & District Silver - 10/1 (11/1)

Clifton & Lightcliffe - 12/1 (14/1)
Elland Silver - 12/1 (14/1)
Gawthorpe Brass '85' - 18/1 (20/1)
Lofthouse 2000 - 18/1 (11/1)
Skelmanthorpe 'B' - 22/1 (25/1)
West Yorkshire Police - 22/1 (28/1)
Maltby Miners Welfare - 22/1 (28/1)
Chapeltown Silver - 25/1 (28/1)

Armthorpe Elmfield - 40/1 (50/1)

7/2 Brass at the Guild (Gawthorpe & Lofthouse)

The Fancys - 5/6
From the Pack - 11/8
An Outsider - 40/1

[Thirteen Ball]

Brighouse & Rastirck - 11/5 (9/4)
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 16/1 (14/1)

Tenner on Briggus to win please Paddy. The piece will suit their sound and style. (Missed a bit of value there I know....)

And a cyber-tenner on Hepworth to qualify for th'Albert again.

[barrytone]

Heard Hebden Bridge at Butlins, not surprised their odds have shortened! For me, they will be the band to watch in Bradford.

[critic]

Tenner on Briggus to win please Paddy. The piece will suit their sound and style. (Missed a bit of value there I know....)

And a cyber-tenner on Hepworth to qualify for th'Albert again.

Brighouse are a good bet of anyones money will be under pressure to quailify especially as they missed out last year. They arepushing he boat out to secure the win will be interesting!

[richardcowens2008]

im going for a forcast again:
champ: Brighouse
1st: hammonds
2nd:south yorkshire police
3rd: elland
4th:Huddersfield & Ripponden Brass

whats the odd of them finnishing in top 3? think im on the money there!:biggrin:

[Paddy Flower]

im going for a forcast again:
Champ: Brighouse
1st: Hammonds
2nd:south yorkshire police
3rd: Elland
4th:huddersfield & ripponden brass

whats the odd of them finnishing in top 3? Think im on the money there!:biggrin:


500/1

[Paddy Flower]

Paddy's been WAY too kind with his odds with no mark-up. From now on i'm adding my bookies cut on all markets. It means prices will be more realistic to what a real bookie would offer



Championship Section
Black Dyke - 11/8 fav (in by popular demand)
Brighouse & Rastirck - 11/5
Grimethorpe Colliery - 5/2

Rothwell Temperance - 22/1 (in by popular demand)
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 22/1

Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 40/1
Skelmanthorpe - 50/1
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 100/1
Hatfield Powerfuel - 150/1
Wakefield Metropolitan - 350/1
Stannington - 1000/1
Drighlington - 2000/1
Old Silkstone - 2000/1

The Fancys - 2/13
From the Pack - 11/1
An Outsider - 16/1

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Hammonds Saltaire - 4/6 fav
Yorkshire Imperial Urquhart Travel - 8/1
City of Sheffield - 10/1
Hebden Bridge - 10/1

Meltham & Meltham Mills - 11/1
Holme Silver (Disposables UK Group) - 20/1
Kippax - 25/1
Hade Edge - 25/1
Cornerstone - 28/1

Yorkshire Co-op - 100/1
Lindley - 100/1
Slaithwaite - 100/1

The Fancys - 30/100
From the Pack - 4/1
An Outsider - 33/1

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Frickley/South Elmsall - 5/2 fav
Strata Brass - 7/2
Knottingley Silver - 15/2
South Yorkshire Police - 8/1
Grange Moor - 10/1
Barnsley Building Society - 10/1

City of Bradford (YBS Concert) - 12/1
Emley Brass - 12/1
Dodworth Colliery MW - 14/1

Horbury Victoria - 40/1
Garforth - 50/1
Rockingham - 100/1

The Fancys - 30/100
From the Pack - 9/2
An Outsider - 20/1

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Crofton Silver - 6/4 fav
Gawthorpe Brass - 13/2
Wetherby & District Silver - 8/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 10/1
Elland Silver - 10/1

Gawthorpe Brass '85' - 14/1
Lofthouse 2000 - 16/1
Skelmanthorpe 'B' - 18/1
West Yorkshire Police - 18/1
Chapeltown Silver - 20/1
Maltby Miners Welfare - 20/1
Armthorpe Elmfield - 33/1

The Fancys - 2/5
From the Pack - 5/2
An Outsider - None

[Paddy Flower]

Fourth Section
Thurcroft Welfare - 9/2 fav
Linthwaite - 11/2
Dinnington - 6/1
Huddersfield & Ripponden Brass - 7/1
Deepcar - 15/2
Wilsden - 8/1
Barnsley Metropolitan - 8/1

Worsborough Brass - 12/1
Oughtibridge - 16/1
Friendly Band (Sowerby Bridge) - 18/1
Haworth - 25/1

Clifton & Lightcliffe 'B' - No price - no form to go on, can you help?

The Fancys - 1/4
From the Pack - 4/1
An Outsider - None

[ploughboy]

Second Section
Frickley/South Elmsall - 5/2 fav
Strata Brass - 7/2
Knottingley Silver - 15/2
South Yorkshire Police - 8/1
Grange Moor - 10/1
Barnsley Building Society - 10/1

City of Bradford (YBS Concert) - 12/1
Emley Brass - 12/1
Dodworth Colliery MW - 14/1

Horbury Victoria - 40/1
Garforth - 50/1
Rockingham - 100/1

The Fancys - 30/100
From the Pack - 9/2
An Outsider - 20/1

Paddy, according to the list published by the Yorkshire region on 4barsrest, City of Bradford aren't competing this year.

[Paddy Flower]

Paddy, according to the list published by the Yorkshire region on 4barsrest, City of Bradford aren't competing this year.

Oops, they were on the regional website in January but not in the 4br list (15/2), should've double-checked, thanks for letting me know...

Second Section
Frickley/South Elmsall - 9/4 fav
Strata Brass - 100/30
Knottingley Silver - 7/1
South Yorkshire Police - 15/2
Grange Moor - 9/1
Barnsley Building Society - 10/1

Emley Brass - 12/1
Dodworth Colliery MW - 12/1

Horbury Victoria - 40/1
Garforth - 50/1
Rockingham - 100/1

The Fancys - 2/9
From the Pack - 6/1
An Outsider - 20/1

[Elliebone]

Third Section
Crofton Silver - 6/4 fav
Gawthorpe Brass - 13/2
Wetherby & District Silver - 8/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 10/1
Elland Silver - 10/1

Gawthorpe Brass '85' - 14/1
Lofthouse 2000 - 16/1
Skelmanthorpe 'B' - 18/1
West Yorkshire Police - 18/1
Chapeltown Silver - 20/1
Maltby Miners Welfare - 20/1
Armthorpe Elmfield - 33/1

The Fancys - 2/5
From the Pack - 5/2
An Outsider - None


Go Maltby - prove em wrong!!

[richardcowens2008]

ive heard Horbury Victoria arnt going, can anyone confirm that?

[2nd man down]

Well if that's true we just need 9 more "did not compete"'s and we've got an Emley win in the 2nd! Woohoo!!

[Paddy Flower]

Championship Section
Black Dyke - 11/10 fav (from 11/8 )
Brighouse & Rastirck - 9/4 (11/5)
Grimethorpe Colliery - 3/1 (5/2)
Rothwell Temperance - 12/1 (22/1)
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 20/1 (22/1)
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 50/1 (40/1)
Skelmanthorpe - 100/1 (50/1)
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 250/1 (100/1)
Hatfield Powerfuel - 350/1 (150/1)
Drighlington - 500/1 (2000/1)
Wakefield Metropolitan - 1000/1 (350/1)
Stannington - 2000/1 (1000/1)
Old Silkstone - 2000/1

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Hammonds Saltaire - 4/5 fav (from 4/6)
Yorkshire Imperial Urquhart Travel - 4/1 (8/1)
Hebden Bridge - 12/1 (10/1)
City of Sheffield - 12/1 (10/1)
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 16/1 (11/1)
Cornerstone - 16/1 (28/1)
Yorkshire Co-op - 22/1 (100/1)
Kippax - 28/1 (25/1)
Holme Silver (Disposables UK Group) - 28/1 (20/1)
Hade Edge - 40/1 (25/1)
Lindley - 150/1 (100/1)
Slaithwaite - 150/1 (100/1)

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Strata Brass - 100/30 fav
Frickley/South Elmsall - 7/2 (from 9/4)
Barnsley Building Society - 5/1 (10/1)
South Yorkshire Police - 13/2 (15/2)
Dodworth Colliery MW - 15/2 (12/1)
Grange Moor - 10/1 (9/1)
Emley Brass - 11/1 (12/1)
Knottingley Silver - 12/1 (7/1)
Garforth - 40/1 (50/1)
Rockingham - 50/1 (100/1)
Horbury Victoria - 50/1 (40/1) amid rumours of withdrawl??

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Crofton Silver - 3/1 fav (from 6/4)
Elland Silver - 100/30 (10/1)
Skelmanthorpe 'B' - 5/1 (18/1)
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 9/1 (10/1)
Gawthorpe Brass - 9/1 (13/2)
Wetherby & District Silver - 14/1 (8/1)
Chapeltown Silver - 16/1 (20/1)
West Yorkshire Police - 18/1
Gawthorpe Brass '85' - 20/1 (14/1)
Maltby Miners Welfare - 22/1 (20/1)
Lofthouse 2000 - 25/1 (16/1)
Armthorpe Elmfield - 50/1 (33/1)

[Paddy Flower]

Fourth Section
Thurcroft Welfare - 3/1 fav
Dinnington - 5/1
Huddersfield & Ripponden Brass - 6/1
Barnsley Metropolitan - 8/1
Linthwaite - 10/1
Friendly Band (Sowerby Bridge) - 12/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe 'B' - 14/1
Oughtibridge - 16/1
Deepcar - 16/1
Wilsden - 16/1
Haworth - 18/1
Worsborough Brass - 28/1

[casanova]

Ill have a virtual fiver on a frickley double! Carlton and Elmsall both 1sts. Whats the odds on that one then flower? :cool:

[barrytone]

Don't see how the odds can be right in the First Section; Meltham, Kippax and Hebden all finished above Imps at Butlins but Imps have shorter odds and Hammonds haven't even contested since last October in St. Helens when admittedly they did win beating Imps and several other good bands. and they are favourites? Does Paddy have insider knowledge then?

[richardcowens2008]

i think its because imps and hammends both do proper contests (like been in open english nationals etc...... pluse quality championship bands)

[Paddy Flower]

Ill have a virtual fiver on a frickley double! Carlton and Elmsall both 1sts. Whats the odds on that one then flower? :cool:

This optimist can have

150/1


Don't see how the odds can be right in the First Section; Meltham, Kippax and Hebden all finished above Imps at Butlins but Imps have shorter odds and Hammonds haven't even contested since last October in St. Helens when admittedly they did win beating Imps and several other good bands. and they are favourites? Does Paddy have insider knowledge then?

My odds will never be based on a band's latest outing alone. If I had been in business a few years ago when Dyke came 13th @ Bradford, I wouldn't have been falling over myself to make them outsiders for their next appearance

'We beat them last time, so that makes us better than them' doesn't hold water with me

[Thirteen Ball]

As I said in another thread, if you think the odds are too long, don't complain, get a virtual tenner on them before they shorten!

After all, if you saw 20-1 on Man U for the Premiership title in a bookies, you'd have it like a shot wouldn't you? You wouldn't go itn and tell him "look mate, I think you should go and read up on yor football..."

[StellaJohnson]

or set up your own brass band bookies!!

[Laserbeam bass]

Does Paddy have insider knowledge then?

My mate at Meltham does?

[E flat fred]

Going to Bradford on Sunday but I am sure that the advertsied times are the wrong way round.
It states Commences at 0800 hrs Draw 0930hrs.
I assume Draw 0800 hrs. Commences 0930 hrs.
Can someone please confirm this is correct

[Valvecap]

This optimist can have

150/1



Optimist?!?!?!?!? Hes a Bass trom player! Incapable of feeling optimism or pessimism,,, there is only... LOUD!!!!!

Ill have some at 150 / 1 please Paddy!

[YRBBC]

Going to Bradford on Sunday but I am sure that the advertsied times are the wrong way round.
It states Commences at 0800 hrs Draw 0930hrs.
I assume Draw 0800 hrs. Commences 0930 hrs.
Can someone please confirm this is correct

4BR have it wrong.

Third Section. Sunday.
Confirm Draw 8.00 a.m. Commence 9.30 a.m.

[E flat fred]

Thank you YRBBC I will be there on time in anticipation of a great day till the climax at the end of the Championship section.

[critic]

Thank you YRBBC I will be there on time in anticipation of a great day till the climax at the end of the Championship section.

SHOULD BE A GREAT WEEKEND and the championship sectin should be a cracker. Im sure the northwest will be a good day as well

[Columbo]

Wouldn't rule out Linthwaite for 4th Section either. Listenend to them 3 weeks ago and they played with great maturity and quality. Fantastic Spirit also in the band room.

[YRBBC]

Thank you YRBBC I will be there on time in anticipation of a great day till the climax at the end of the Championship section.

Pleased to hear you are coming for the day - bring your friends - the more the merrier and please buy your tickets for Championship Section as early as possible as don't want problems at the box office with folks trying to get in at last minute and computer crashing like we had last year.

If you haven't purchased your tickets in advance, anyone buying a ticket on Saturday or Sunday, because you will purchase one for the daytime session you can get a ticket for the Championship Section for only £4. This concession is also available to any band member who has competed on Saturday or Sunday - present your band members ticket at the box office and you can get a ticket for Champ. Section for £4.

Looking forward to a good weekend - say hello and introduce yourself if you see me around the hall.

Peggy

[E flat fred]

YRBBC
The box office are not aware of this.
I purchases day time tickets plus championship tickets and was charged £6-00p for both tickets as the £4-00p concessiomnj was only available on the Sunday if any was left. In addition there was also the booking fee. It is a pity that the box office was not aware of this ruling at the time of booking.

[YRBBC]

YRBBC
The box office are not aware of this.
I purchases day time tickets plus championship tickets and was charged £6-00p for both tickets as the £4-00p concessiomnj was only available on the Sunday if any was left. In addition there was also the booking fee. It is a pity that the box office was not aware of this ruling at the time of booking.

This concession is only available when purchasing tickets on the weekend of the contest mainly for the benefit of our competing band members as they have to present their band member ticket and they don't have these until the weekend of the contest.

Think £6 is good value for our top section.

[Paddy Flower]

£6 is OUTSTANDING value to hear the number of high quality English Heritage's that will be on show this Sunday, good luck to all.

Can't see this market moving much in the next couple of days so Paddy declares as follows...

Championship Section
Black Dyke - Evens fav (from 11/10)
Brighouse & Rastirck - 5/2 (9/4)
Grimethorpe Colliery - 100/30 (3/1)
Rothwell Temperance - 12/1
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 20/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 50/1
Skelmanthorpe - 150/1 (100/1)
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 350/1 (250/1)
Hatfield Powerfuel - 500/1 (350/1)
Drighlington - 500/1
Wakefield Metropolitan - 1000/1
Stannington - 2000/1
Old Silkstone - 2000/1

Without the Favorite
Brighouse & Rastirck - Evens
Grimethorpe Colliery - 11/8
Rothwell Temperance - 7/1
Hepworth (Cookson Homes) - 11/1
Carlton Main Frickley Colliery - 28/1
Skelmanthorpe - 100/1
Marsden Silver Prize (Ossett Brewery) - 200/1
Hatfield Powerfuel - 250/1
Drighlington - 250/1
Wakefield Metropolitan - 500/1
Stannington - 1000/1
Old Silkstone - 1000/1

[Paddy Flower]

First Section
Hammonds Saltaire - 4/5 fav
Yorkshire Imperial Urquhart Travel - 7/2 (from 4/1)
City of Sheffield - 11/1 (12/1)
Hebden Bridge - 14/1 (12/1)
Cornerstone - 16/1
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 20/1 (16/1)
Yorkshire Co-op - 22/1
Hade Edge - 28/1 (40/1)
Holme Silver (Disposables UK Group) - 33/1 (28/1)
Kippax - 50/1 (28/1)
Lindley - 66/1 (150/1)
Slaithwaite - 100/1 (150/1)

Without the Favorite
Yorkshire Imperial Urquhart Travel - 6/4
City of Sheffield - 11/2
Hebden Bridge - 7/1
Cornerstone - 8/1
Meltham & Meltham Mills - 10/1
Yorkshire Co-op - 11/1
Hade Edge - 14/1
Holme Silver (Disposables UK Group) - 18/1
Kippax - 25/1
Lindley - 33/1
Slaithwaite - 66/1

[Paddy Flower]

Second Section
Strata - 100/30 fav
Frickley/South Elmsall - 7/2
Barnsley Building Society - 5/1
South Yorkshire Police - 11/2 (from 13/2)
Dodworth Colliery MW - 9/1 (15/2)
Grange Moor - 10/1
Emley - 12/1 (11/1)
Knottingley Silver - 14/1 (12/1)
Horbury Victoria - 40/1 (50/1)
Rockingham - 40/1 (50/1)
Garforth - 66/1 (40/1)

[Paddy Flower]

Third Section
Elland Silver - 5/2 fav (from 100/30)
Crofton Silver - 3/1
Skelmanthorpe 'B' - 11/2 (5/1)
Clifton & Lightcliffe - 9/1
Gawthorpe - 12/1 (9/1)
West Yorkshire Police - 16/1 (18/1)
Wetherby & District Silver - 16/1 (14/1)
Chapeltown Silver - 18/1 (16/1)
Lofthouse 2000 - 18/1 (25/1)
Maltby Miners Welfare - 28/1 (22/1)
Gawthorpe '85' - 28/1 (20/1)
Armthorpe Elmfield - 66/1 (50/1)

[Paddy Flower]

Fourth Section
Thurcroft Welfare - 11/4 fav (from 3/1)
Dinnington - 4/1 (5/1)
Huddersfield & Ripponden Brass - 13/2 (6/1)
Barnsley Metropolitan - 8/1
Linthwaite - 10/1
Friendly Band (Sowerby Bridge) - 12/1
Clifton & Lightcliffe 'B' - 14/1
Deepcar - 16/1
Oughtibridge - 18/1 (16/1)
Wilsden - 18/1 (16/1)
Haworth - 20/1 (18/1)
Worsborough Brass - 40/1 (28/1)

[ploughboy]

Go on then Paddy - I'll have a tenner on

B&R, Cornerstone, Emley, Crofton & Barnsley Met. What odds do it get?

[Paddy Flower]

Go on then Paddy - I'll have a tenner on

B&R, Cornerstone, Emley, Crofton & Barnsley Met. What odds do it get?

An accumulator would pay

£27,846.00

and a cyber bookmaker in hiding

[robert boyles]

all the best to all the bands this weekend enjoy it ..:clap:..

[ploughboy]

An accumulator would pay

£27,846.00

and a cyber bookmaker in hiding

Go on then I'll risk a cyber £50, lets see you sweat!

Although i'm betting with my heart in the 2nd section so i'm giving you a chance! ;)

[barrytone]

all the best to all the bands this weekend enjoy it ..:clap:..

Thanks, I intend to! Been so excited about competing all week that I haven't been able to sleep and when I have, I've been dreaming about the contest, how sad is that! Can't wait to get onto the stage and play! Never looked forward to a contest so much, something is bound to go wrong!

[sopranoplayer]

This concession is only available when purchasing tickets on the weekend of the contest mainly for the benefit of our competing band members as they have to present their band member ticket and they don't have these until the weekend of the contest.

Think £6 is good value for our top section.

We (group booking) aquired our tickets for all sections for £6 and £4. We went to the box office last week and picked them up.

[tromwinst]

Has anyone got any predictions for the North West Area results? Can't seem to find any on here?

Many Thanks

[Paddy Flower]

Has anyone got any predictions for the North West Area results? Can't seem to find any on here?

Many Thanks


http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=39256

[tromwinst]

Cheers!

[casanova]

Well that was a waste of time today. Whats the point in all the practice if it turns out you only have to play badly to get in the top 5? Fair play to the top 3 but some seriously strange adjudicators decisions today. Luckily it hasnt cost us a promotion place (by half a point!) Not the nicest way to go up tho and left the whole thing rather sour.

[Seaweed]

results are out.....

[tuba1974]

when we gained promotion to the Ist section 5 years ago, an X conductor said to me the band would go back down but look at us now, well done to all the bands at yorkshire area and see you at harrogate, I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU THINK BUT WHERE 4BARSREST AT THE SAME CONTEST AT US

[Di]

Hiya chaps and chappesses

Can we try and keep this thread for your virtual betting and post general contest comments in the Yorkshire Regional thread here (http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=40453) please. This will help prevent running parallel discussions.

Ta muchly. ;)