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Paddy Flower
09.10.2009, 11:27
Championship Section
Redbridge Brass - 7/2 fav
Aveley & Newham - 9/2
Zone One Brass - 13/2
Norfolk Brass - 9/1
KM Medway - 14/1
Clacton-on-Sea Co-operative - 14/1
Wantage Silver - 16/1
Kidlington Concert Brass - 16/1
Bedford Town - 28/1
Milton Keynes Brass - 33/1
Sandhurst Silver - 33/1
City of Cambridge - 50/1

Paddy Flower
09.10.2009, 11:28
First Section
Staines Brass - 9/2 jt fav
Friary Guildford - 9/2 jt fav
Haverhill Silver - 11/2
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op - 11/1
Welwyn Garden City - 12/1
Jersey Premier Brass - 12/1
Regent Brass - 14/1
Soham Comrades - 25/1
Yiewsley & West Drayton - 33/1
Cawston - 40/1
Egham - 40/1
Denham Hendon Brass - 50/1
St Albans City - 66/1
Horsham Borough - 66/1
Fairlop Brass - 100/1
Grimsdyke Brass - 100/1
Epsom & Ewell Silver - 150/1

Paddy Flower
09.10.2009, 11:29
Second Section
East London Brass - 8/11 fav
Alder Valley - 14/1
Becontree Brass - 18/1
Northfleet Brass - 20/1
Chichester City - 20/1
Tilbury - 28/1
Ware Brass - 33/1
Littleport Brass - 33/1
Waterbeach Brass - 33/1
Brighton & Hove City - 40/1
Chinnor Silver - 66/1
St. Sebastian Wokingham - 100/1
Epping Forest - 100/1
Thundersley Brass - 100/1
Stantonbury Brass - 200/1
Crystal Palace - 200/1
Colchester - 250/1

Paddy Flower
09.10.2009, 11:30
Third Section
Fulham - 6/1 fav
Hungerford Town - 7/1
Hemel Hempstead - 7/1
Wantage Silver "B" - 9/1
Hitchin Town - 11/1
BAE Systems - 14/1
Chalgrove - 18/1
Betteshanger Welfare - 18/1
Tadley Concert - 20/1
Hangleton - 22/1
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 25/1
Uckfield Concert Brass - 25/1
Norfolk Wherry Brass - 33/1
Woodbridge Excelsior - 50/1
Croydon Brass - 50/1
Watford - 66/1

Paddy Flower
09.10.2009, 11:31
Fourth Section
Battle Town - 11/2 fav
King's Lynn - 10/1
Harwich R.B.L. - 10/1
Cold Ash Brass - 12/1
Bletchington Silver - 14/1
Amersham - 14/1
L.G.B. Brass - 18/1
Charles Church Camberley - 18/1
Letchworth Garden City - 20/1
Royston - 22/1
Great Yarmouth Brass - 22/1
EPB Brass - 25/1
Cobham - 33/1
Bradwell Silver - 33/1
Milton Keynes Development - 33/1
Hilgay Silver - 40/1
Fakenham Town - 50/1
Newmarket Town - 66/1
Snowdown Colliery Welfare - 66/1
Crystal Palace "B" - 200/1

lynchie
09.10.2009, 14:44
Flippin heck, that's the first time I've got the kiss of death before I've played the piece through!

Paddy Flower
09.10.2009, 15:37
Flippin heck, that's the first time I've got the kiss of death before I've played the piece through!

I wouldn't call 6/1 a racing cert...

You're in one of the most open sections of the 5

Daisy Duck
09.10.2009, 16:04
Flippin heck, that's the first time I've got the kiss of death before I've played the piece through!

Ha ha! Same here! :)

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 11:10
Following Albert Hall and Folkestone contest...

Championship Section
Redbridge Brass - 7/2 fav
Zone One Brass - 4/1 (from 13/2)
Aveley & Newham - 11/2 (9/2)
Norfolk Brass - 10/1 (9/1)
KM Medway - 14/1
Clacton-on-Sea Co-operative - 16/1 (14/1)
Wantage Silver - 16/1
Kidlington Concert Brass - 18/1 (16/1)
Bedford Town - 28/1
Milton Keynes Brass - 33/1
Sandhurst Silver - 40/1 (33/1)
City of Cambridge - 66/1 (50/1)

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 11:11
First Section
Friary Guildford - 4/1 fav (from 9/2)
Staines Brass - 5/1 (9/2)
Haverhill Silver - 6/1 (11/2)
Jersey Premier Brass - 11/1 (12/1)
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op - 12/1 (11/1)
Welwyn Garden City - 12/1
Regent Brass - 18/1 (14/1)
Soham Comrades - 25/1
Yiewsley & West Drayton - 40/1 (33/1)
Cawston - 40/1
Egham - 40/1
Denham Hendon Brass - 50/1
St Albans City - 66/1
Fairlop Brass - 66/1 (100/1)
Horsham Borough - 100/1 (66/1)
Epsom & Ewell Silver - 100/1 (150/1)
Grimsdyke Brass - 100/1

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 11:12
Second Section
East London Brass - 4/6 fav (from 8/11)
Northfleet Brass - 18/1 (20/1)
Chichester City - 18/1 (20/1)
Becontree Brass - 20/1 (18/1)
Thundersley Brass - 33/1 (100/1)
Ware Brass - 33/1
Littleport Brass - 33/1
Waterbeach Brass - 33/1
Alder Valley - 33/1 (14/1)
Tilbury - 33/1 (28/1)
Chinnor Silver - 50/1 (66/1)
St. Sebastian Wokingham - 66/1 (100/1)
Epping Forest - 100/1
Brighton & Hove City - 100/1 (40/1)
Stantonbury Brass - 100/1 (200/1)
Colchester - 200/1 (250/1)
Crystal Palace - 250/1 (200/1)

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 11:12
Third Section
Fulham - 11/2 fav (from 6/1)
Hungerford Town - 13/2 (7/1)
Hemel Hempstead - 7/1
Wantage Silver "B" - 9/1
Hitchin Town - 11/1
Chalgrove - 16/1 (18/1)
Betteshanger Welfare - 18/1
Tadley Concert - 20/1
BAE Systems - 22/1 (14/1)
Hangleton - 22/1
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 25/1
Uckfield Concert Brass - 25/1
Norfolk Wherry Brass - 33/1
Woodbridge Excelsior - 50/1
Croydon Brass - 50/1
Watford - 66/1

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 11:13
Fourth Section
Battle Town - 11/2 fav
King's Lynn - 10/1
Harwich R.B.L. - 10/1
Cold Ash Brass - 12/1
Bletchington Silver - 14/1
Amersham - 16/1 (from 14/1)
L.G.B. Brass - 18/1
Letchworth Garden City - 20/1
Royston - 20/1 (22/1)
Great Yarmouth Brass - 22/1
EPB Brass - 25/1
Charles Church Camberley - 28/1 (18/1)
Bradwell Silver - 33/1
Cobham - 33/1
Milton Keynes Development - 33/1
Hilgay Silver - 40/1
Snowdown Colliery Welfare - 50/1 (66/1)
Fakenham Town - 50/1
Newmarket Town - 66/1
Crystal Palace 'B' - 200/1

Bass Trumpet
20.10.2009, 11:27
What odds will you give on bands withdrawing? :oops:

Simon_Horn
20.10.2009, 11:29
Third Section
Fulham - 11/2 fav (from 6/1)


It's not great odds....but i'd still take a bit of that action !!!

Oh, and in 1st section - this is probably a closer list of results :-

Friary Guildford
Jersey Premier Brass
Haverhill Silver
Staines Brass
Soham Comrades
Egham
Regent Brass
Yiewsley & West Drayton
St Albans City
Denham Hendon Brass
Fairlop Brass
Grimsdyke Brass
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op
Cawston
Horsham Borough
Epsom & Ewell Silver
Welwyn Garden City

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 11:41
What odds will you give on bands withdrawing? :oops:

??? If a band withdraws I suppose it would shorten everyone else, by how much would depend on who was withdrawing of course


1st section - this is probably a closer list of results :-

Friary Guildford
Jersey Premier Brass
Haverhill Silver
Staines Brass
Soham Comrades
Egham
Regent Brass
Yiewsley & West Drayton
St Albans City
Denham Hendon Brass
Fairlop Brass
Grimsdyke Brass
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op
Cawston
Horsham Borough
Epsom & Ewell Silver
Welwyn Garden City

We're in agreement on the first 3 or 4 then, our opinions differ after that

MoominDave
20.10.2009, 12:40
Hi Paddy - how come we've lengthened? We played in and won at the O&DBBA ents contest at Burford a week ago [admittedly against a non-championship field], while those around us who haven't lengthened have not so far as I'm aware competed since your first list.

Just curious - I don't understand the method you're employing there...

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 12:43
Hi Paddy - how come we've lengthened? We played in and won at the O&DBBA ents contest at Burford a week ago [admittedly against a non-championship field], while those around us who haven't lengthened have not so far as I'm aware competed since your first list.

Just curious - I don't understand the method you're employing there...

I wasn't aware of that contest, could you provide me with a link to the results and i'll update odds. Thanks for letting me know

MoominDave
20.10.2009, 12:51
Results:
http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=37587&highlight=burford&page=2
Not sure it will help much, as there were a lot of entries that mixed national section gradings and areas.

But my confusion is more basic - why did we lengthen when we effectively haven't competed and neither Bedford nor Wantage lengthened when they (so far as I'm aware) haven't competed either? Just a bookie's hunch?

Laserbeam bass
20.10.2009, 13:32
25E/W@13/2 (http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=39115&page=2)

After Saturday, it's always good to have connections.

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 13:46
Results:
http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=37587&highlight=burford&page=2
Not sure it will help much, as there were a lot of entries that mixed national section gradings and areas.

But my confusion is more basic - why did we lengthen when we effectively haven't competed and neither Bedford nor Wantage lengthened when they (so far as I'm aware) haven't competed either? Just a bookie's hunch?

Thanks for link, i'll have a look when I get a chance, could you tell me if they are FULL results? it's just listing the top 3 each time

You can blame Zone One for your odds lengthening, their 12th place finish shortened them from 13/2 in to 4/1. Cause and effect of course, it means everyone else odds lengthened. For two more drastic effects look at the updated odds for Midlands (bad result from Desford) and North (good result from Reg Vardy) and you will see bands have shortened and lengthened despite not playing at the Albert

MoominDave
20.10.2009, 13:50
That I understand. I don't understand why some bands who haven't competed in the interim have lengthened while others who also haven't competed haven't lengthened.

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 14:09
That I understand. I don't understand why some bands who haven't competed in the interim have lengthened while others who also haven't competed haven't lengthened.

Which bands specifically do you mean?

MoominDave
20.10.2009, 14:20
Bands that lengthened:
Aveley, Norfolk, Clacton, Kidlington, Sandhurst, Cambridge
Bands that didn't:
KM, Wantage, Bedford, MK

As far as I'm aware, none of these have taken part in any contest in the interim that you've taken account of?

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 15:32
Bands that lengthened:
Aveley, Norfolk, Clacton, Kidlington, Sandhurst, Cambridge
Bands that didn't:
KM, Wantage, Bedford, MK

As far as I'm aware, none of these have taken part in any contest in the interim that you've taken account of?

I see what you're saying now. KM wantage bedford Mk were all on the cusp of being 1 price shorter (i.e. KM were 14/1 but almost 12/1 IMHO) so now although they are still 14/1 they are almost 16/1. I hope that has explained it

MoominDave
20.10.2009, 15:34
Okay, that makes sense, thanks for the explanation. Indulge me one more question... [I do like numbers] Why not originally have made KM 13/1, then have moved them to 15/1? Does it make the sums easier?

Paddy Flower
20.10.2009, 15:51
Okay, that makes sense, thanks for the explanation. Indulge me one more question... [I do like numbers] Why not originally have made KM 13/1, then have moved them to 15/1? Does it make the sums easier?

It would be only I'm using standard accepted pricing which goes 10/1 11 12 14 16 18 20 22 25 28 33 40 etc. 13 is usually missed out as would 15 17.

(Although I'm sure Laserbeam's waiting in the wings to correct me on that...)

Laserbeam bass
20.10.2009, 21:19
It would be only I'm using standard accepted pricing which goes 10/1 11 12 14 16 18 20 22 25 28 33 40 etc. 13 is usually missed out as would 15 17.

(Although I'm sure Laserbeam's waiting in the wings to correct me on that...)

Credit where Credit is due, absolutely spot on.

[BOC mode on]

A lot of gaps have been filled in over the years, and with the new companies squeezing margins, the traditional odds are taken with a pinch of salt, thus, it is very easy to see why people would want to know why there is not a 13/1.

The real reason is that odds used to be the other way around. What most of you would know as odds on 1/100 was originally put on one to win a hundred, not vice versa as is now. Each price was divisible by 100, so at the time 13 to win 100 would have been 7.69/1, (being born a few days before decimalization I cannot work it out exactly) but I don't think that would have been a valid amount due to the LSD configuration of Sterling.

[BOC mode off]

MoominDave
21.10.2009, 09:38
The old LSD monetary system made it easier to divide by 3s and hence 12s - but there are still lots of numbers in that list that divide just as badly as 13 and 15 - e.g. 11. Seems a mite inconsistent?

Laserbeam bass
21.10.2009, 14:18
A lot of gaps have been filled in over the years, and with the new companies squeezing margins, the traditional odds are taken with a pinch of salt, thus, it is very easy to see why people would want to know why there is not a 13/1.


The old LSD monetary system made it easier to divide by 3s and hence 12s - but there are still lots of numbers in that list that divide just as badly as 13 and 15 - e.g. 11. Seems a mite inconsistent?

11 is an example that has been added to allow more competitive odds, 12 being too high and 10 being too low, same as silly one like 17/2, 9's too high and 8's too low

HorniKaz
26.10.2009, 11:44
Does it really matter? :rolleyes:

MoominDave
26.10.2009, 11:46
Does what really matter? Number geekery?

Numbers are fun!

HorniKaz
26.10.2009, 12:11
They are when there's a in front of lots of them & its going into your pocket & not out!!!

Paddy Flower
31.10.2009, 12:19
Time for an update...

Championship Section
Redbridge Brass - 4/1 jt fav (from 7/2)
Zone One Brass - 4/1 jt fav
Aveley & Newham - 11/2
Norfolk Brass - 10/1
Kidlington Concert Brass - 11/1 (18/1)
KM Medway - 16/1 (14/1)
Clacton-on-Sea Co-operative - 16/1
Wantage Silver 'A' - 18/1 (16/1)
Bedford Town - 33/1 (28/1)
Milton Keynes Brass - 33/1
Sandhurst Silver - 40/1
City of Cambridge - 66/1
Pontins (Kidlington & Wantage)

Paddy Flower
31.10.2009, 12:24
First Section
Friary Guildford - 7/2 fav (from 4/1)
Staines Brass - 9/2 (5/1)
Jersey Premier Brass - 10/1 (11/1)
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op - 11/1 (12/1)
Haverhill Silver - 11/1 (6/1)
Welwyn Garden City - 12/1
Regent Brass - 18/1
Soham Comrades - 25/1
Yiewsley & West Drayton - 33/1 (40/1)
Cawston - 40/1
Egham - 40/1
Denham Hendon Brass - 40/1 (50/1)
St Albans City - 66/1
Fairlop Brass - 66/1
Horsham Borough - 100/1
Epsom & Ewell Silver - 100/1
Grimsdyke Brass - 100/1
Pontins (Haverhill)

Paddy Flower
31.10.2009, 12:27
Second Section
Littleport Brass - 33/1


Chinnor Silver - 66/1 (from 50/1)
Stantonbury Brass - 150/1 (100/1)

Paddy Flower
31.10.2009, 12:34
Sorry, my computer crashed whilst editing the last post...

Second Section
Littleport Brass - 33/1
Chinnor Silver - 66/1 (from 50/1)

Oxford & District Ents (Chinnor)
Pontins (Littleport)

All other prices are as per previous post

Paddy Flower
31.10.2009, 12:35
Third Section
Fulham - 6/1 fav (from 11/2)
Hungerford Town - 7/1 (13/2)
Hemel Hempstead - 7/1
Wantage Silver "B" - 9/1
Chalgrove - 10/1 (16/1)
Hitchin Town - 12/1 (11/1)
Betteshanger Welfare - 20/1 (18/1)
Tadley Concert - 20/1
BAE Systems - 22/1
Hangleton - 25/1 (22/1)
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 25/1
Uckfield Concert Brass - 28/1 (25/1)
Norfolk Wherry Brass - 33/1
Watford - 40/1 (66/1)
Woodbridge Excelsior - 50/1
Croydon Brass - 50/1
Oxford & District Ents (Watford)
Pontins (Chalgrove)

Paddy Flower
31.10.2009, 12:37
Fourth Section
Bletchington Silver - 12/1 (from 14/1)
Bradwell Silver - 40/1 (33/1)
Oxford & District Ents (Bletchington & Bradwell)


All other prices are as per previous post

Paddy Flower
05.12.2009, 15:53
Championship Section
Zone One Brass - 4/1 jt fav
Redbridge Brass - 4/1 jt fav
Aveley & Newham - 11/2
Kidlington Concert Brass - 10/1 (from 11/1)
Norfolk Brass - 11/1 (10/1)
KM Medway - 16/1
Clacton-on-Sea Co-operative - 16/1
Wantage Silver 'A' - 18/1
Milton Keynes Brass - 33/1
Sandhurst Silver - 40/1
City of Cambridge - 50/1 (66/1)
Bedford Town - 50/1 (33/1)

28/11 Wessex BBA (Sandhurst)
29/11 Leicester BBA (Kidlington, Cambridge, Bedford)

Paddy Flower
05.12.2009, 15:54
First Section
Staines Brass - 4/1 jt fav (from 9/2)
Friary Guildford - 4/1 jt fav (7/2)
Jersey Premier Brass - 10/1
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op - 10/1 (11/1)
Haverhill Silver - 11/1
Welwyn Garden City - 11/1 (12/1)
Soham Comrades - 25/1
St Albans City - 25/1 (66/1)
Regent Brass - 25/1 (18/1)
Yiewsley & West Drayton - 33/1
Cawston - 40/1
Denham Hendon Brass - 40/1
Egham - 50/1 (40/1)
Fairlop Brass - 66/1
Horsham Borough - 100/1
Epsom & Ewell Silver - 100/1
Grimsdyke Brass - 100/1

22/11 West Mids BBA - Leamington Spa (Egham)
28/11 Wessex BBA (Friary)
29/11 Leicester BBA (St. Albans & Regent)

Paddy Flower
05.12.2009, 15:55
Second Section
East London Brass - 4/6 fav
Northfleet Brass - 18/1
Chichester City - 18/1
Becontree Brass - 20/1
Thundersley Brass - 33/1
Ware Brass - 33/1
Littleport Brass - 33/1
Waterbeach Brass - 33/1
Alder Valley - 33/1
Tilbury - 33/1
Chinnor Silver - 50/1 (from 66/1)
St. Sebastian Wokingham - 66/1
Epping Forest - 100/1
Brighton & Hove City - 100/1
Stantonbury Brass - 100/1 (150/1)
Colchester - 200/1
Crystal Palace - 250/1

22/11 West Mids BBA - Leamington Spa (Stantonbury)
29/11 Leicester BBA (Chinnor)

Paddy Flower
05.12.2009, 15:56
Third Section
Hungerford Town - 7/1 jt fav
Hemel Hempstead - 7/1 jt fav
Chalgrove - 9/1 (from 10/1)
Wantage Silver "B" - 10/1 (9/1)
Fulham - 11/1 (from 6/1)
Hitchin Town - 11/1 (12/1)
Take your pick from these SIX

Betteshanger Welfare - 18/1 (20/1)
Tadley Concert - 18/1 (20/1)
BAE Systems - 20/1 (22/1)
Hangleton - 20/1 (25/1)
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 22/1 (25/1)
Uckfield Concert Brass - 22/1 (28/1)
Norfolk Wherry Brass - 28/1 (33/1)
Watford - 40/1
Woodbridge Excelsior - 40/1 (50/1)
Croydon Brass - 40/1 (50/1)

22/11 West Mids BBA - Leamington Spa (Wantage B)
29/11 Leicester BBA (Fulham & Watford)

Paddy Flower
05.12.2009, 15:57
Fourth Section

No bands (to my knowledge) have competed since the last prices

Paddy Flower
27.01.2010, 15:40
Championship Section
Redbridge Brass - 11/4 fav (from 4/1)
Zone One Brass - 4/1
Aveley & Newham - 6/1 (11/2)
Kidlington Concert Brass - 11/1 (10/1)
Norfolk Brass - 12/1 (11/1)
KM Medway - 18/1 (16/1)
Clacton-on-Sea Co-operative - 18/1 (16/1)
Wantage Silver 'A' - 20/1 (18/1)
Milton Keynes Brass - 40/1 (33/1)
Sandhurst Silver - 40/1
City of Cambridge - 50/1
Bedford Town - 66/1 (50/1)
Butlins (Redbridge)

The Fancys - 4/6
From the Pack - 11/5
An Outsider - 11/1

Paddy Flower
27.01.2010, 15:41
First Section
Staines Brass - 4/1 fav
Friary Guildford - 9/2 (from 4/1)
Haverhill Silver - 8/1 (11/1)
Jersey Premier Brass - 10/1
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op - 11/1 (10/1)
Welwyn Garden City - 11/1
Cawston - 22/1 (40/1)
Soham Comrades - 25/1
St Albans City - 25/1
Regent Brass - 25/1
Yiewsley & West Drayton - 66/1 (33/1)
Fairlop Brass - 66/1
Denham Hendon Brass - 66/1 (40/1)
Horsham Borough - 66/1
Egham - 66/1 (50/1)
Epsom & Ewell Silver - 100/1
Grimsdyke Brass - 100/1
Butlins (Haverhill, Cawston, Denham, Egham & Y&WD)

The Fancys - 8/11
From the Pack - 2/1
An Outsider - 9/1

Paddy Flower
27.01.2010, 15:41
Second Section
East London Brass - 4/7 fav (from 4/6)
Becontree Brass - 14/1 (20/1)
Northfleet Brass - 22/1 (18/1)
Chichester City - 22/1 (18/1)
Alder Valley - 33/1
Thundersley Brass - 40/1 (33/1)
Ware Brass - 40/1 (33/1)
Littleport Brass - 40/1 (33/1)
Tilbury - 40/1 (33/1)
Waterbeach Brass - 66/1 (33/1)
Chinnor Silver - 66/1 (50/1)
St. Sebastian Wokingham - 100/1 (66/1)
Epping Forest - 100/1
Brighton & Hove City - 100/1
Stantonbury Brass - 150/1 (100/1)
Colchester - 200/1
Crystal Palace - 250/1
Butlins (East London, Becontree, Waterbeach & Alder Valley)

The Fancys - 4/7 (just East London)
From the Pack - 9/2
An Outsider - 9/2

Paddy Flower
27.01.2010, 15:42
Third Section
Hitchin Town - 13/2 jf fav (from 11/1)
Hungerford Town - 13/2 jt fav (7/1)
Fulham - 9/1 (11/1)
Chalgrove - 9/1
Wantage Silver "B" - 11/1 (10/1)
Hemel Hempstead - 11/1 (7/1)
Betteshanger Welfare - 18/1
Tadley Concert - 20/1 (18/1)
BAE Systems - 20/1
Hangleton - 22/1 (20/1)
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 25/1 (22/1)
Uckfield Concert Brass - 25/1 (22/1)
Norfolk Wherry Brass - 33/1 (28/1)
Watford - 40/1
Woodbridge Excelsior - 50/1 (40/1)
Croydon Brass - 50/1 (40/1)
Butlins (Hitchin, Fulham, Hemel Hempstead & Watford)

The Fancys - 6/5
From the Pack - 14/1
An Outsider - 9/2

Paddy Flower
27.01.2010, 15:46
Fourth Section
Battle Town - 11/2 fav
King's Lynn - 10/1
Harwich RBL - 10/1
Cold Ash Brass - 12/1
Bletchington Silver - 12/1
Amersham - 16/1
L.G.B. Brass - 18/1
Royston - 18/1 (from 20/1)
Letchworth Garden City - 20/1
Great Yarmouth Brass - 22/1
EPB Brass - 25/1
Charles Church Camberley - 28/1
Cobham - 33/1
Milton Keynes Development - 33/1
Bradwell Silver - 40/1
Hilgay Silver - 40/1
Snowdown Colliery Welfare - 50/1
Fakenham Town - 50/1
Newmarket Town - 66/1
Fulbourn & Teversham RBL - 100/1 new
Crystal Palace 'B' - 200/1
Butlins (Royston & Fulbourn)

The Fancys - 2/1
From the Pack - 5/6
An Outsider - 7/1

worzel
27.01.2010, 15:58
You know we (Fulham) deliberately took a dive at Butlins to increase our virtual winnings, don't you?

Laserbeam bass
27.01.2010, 16:58
You know we (Fulham) deliberately took a dive at Butlins to increase our virtual winnings, don't you?

You have been shortened by two points in the betting ring, surely a no show at Butlins would have been the ideal way to artificially inflate your virtual odds for the area ;)

Simon_Horn
27.01.2010, 19:16
You have been shortened by two points in the betting ring, surely a no show at Butlins would have been the ideal way to artificially inflate your virtual odds for the area ;)

What - and not been given to give the white suit it's conducting debut? no........!!

Martin
27.01.2010, 19:28
What - and not been given to give the white suit it's conducting debut? no........!!

It certainly made you stand out Simon. Can't wait to see what you've got to offer at the areas..!!!! Will it beat Alan's pimp suit of last year..?:)

Paddy Flower
09.02.2010, 16:40
Championship Section
Redbridge Brass - 3/1 fav (from 11/4)
Aveley & Newham - 7/2 (6/1)
Zone One Brass - 9/2 (4/1)

Norfolk Brass - 12/1
KM Medway - 18/1
Clacton-on-Sea Co-operative - 18/1
Wantage Silver 'A' - 20/1
Kidlington Concert Brass - 25/1 (11/1)

Sandhurst Silver - 40/1
Milton Keynes Brass - 50/1 (40/1)
City of Cambridge - 50/1
Bedford Town - 66/1

6/2 Yeovil (A&N, Kidlington, MK)

The Fancys - 8/15
From the Pack - 11/4
An Outsider - 12/1

andywooler
09.02.2010, 18:22
Uckfield haven't entered so can't have either odds for winning or withdrawing.

Paddy Flower
09.02.2010, 18:41
Uckfield haven't entered so can't have either odds for winning or withdrawing.

Thanks Andy

I've checked the L&SC website and I've noticed a number of {NE}'s, mainly 4th section.

I'll update in the next few days, watch this space

Paddy Flower
10.02.2010, 14:54
Third Section
Hitchin Town - 6/1 jt fav (from 13/2)
Hungerford Town - 6/1 jt fav (13/2)
Fulham - 8/1 (9/1)
Chalgrove - 8/1 (9/1)
Wantage Silver "B" - 10/1 (11/1)
Hemel Hempstead - 10/1 (11/1)

Betteshanger Welfare - 18/1
Tadley Concert - 18/1 (20/1)
BAE Systems - 20/1
Hangleton - 22/1
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 22/1 (25/1)
Norfolk Wherry Brass - 33/1
Watford - 33/1 (40/1)

Woodbridge Excelsior - 50/1

Uckfield Concert Brass - Not entered (25/1)
Croydon Brass - Not entered (50/1)

The Fancys - 5/11
From the Pack - 9/4
An Outsider - 50/1

Paddy Flower
10.02.2010, 14:56
Fourth Section
Battle Town - 11/2 fav
King's Lynn - 9/1 (from 10/1)
Harwich RBL - 9/1 (10/1)

Cold Ash Brass - 11/1 (12/1)
Bletchington Silver - 11/1 (12/1)
Amersham - 14/1 (16/1)
LGB Brass - 16/1 (18/1)
Royston - 16/1 (18/1)
Letchworth Garden City - 18/1 (20/1)
Great Yarmouth Brass - 22/1
EPB Brass - 22/1 (25/1)
Charles Church Camberley - 25/1 (28/1)
Cobham - 33/1
Milton Keynes Development - 33/1
Bradwell Silver - 33/1 (40/1)

Snowdown Colliery Welfare - 40/1 (50/1)
Newmarket Town - 66/1

Hilgay Silver - Not Entered (40/1)
Fakenham Town - Not Entered (50/1)
Fulbourn & Teversham RBL - Not Entered (100/1)
Crystal Palace 'B' - Not Entered (200/1)

The Fancys - 15/8
From the Pack - 8/13
An Outsider - 25/1

Paddy Flower
23.02.2010, 14:26
Paddy's been WAY too kind with his odds with no mark-up. From now on i'm adding my bookies cut on all markets. It means prices will be more realistic to what a real bookie would offer

Championship Section
Redbridge Brass - 7/4 fav
Aveley & Newham - 9/4
Zone One Brass - 7/2

Norfolk Brass - 16/1
Wantage Silver 'A' - 18/1
KM Medway - 22/1
Clacton-on-Sea Co-operative - 25/1

Sandhurst Silver - 40/1
Kidlington Concert Brass - 50/1
City of Cambridge - 50/1
Milton Keynes Brass - 66/1
Bedford Town - 100/1

The Fancys - 1/3
From the Pack - 5/1
An Outsider - 12/1

Paddy Flower
23.02.2010, 14:26
First Section
Friary Guildford - 100/30 fav
Staines Brass - 7/2
Haverhill Silver - 7/1
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op - 15/2
Jersey Premier Brass - 9/1
Welwyn Garden City - 10/1

Regent Brass - 18/1
Cawston - 20/1
Soham Comrades - 22/1
St Albans City - 28/1

Denham Hendon Brass - 40/1
Epsom & Ewell Silver - 50/1
Yiewsley & West Drayton - 50/1
Fairlop Brass - 66/1
Egham - 100/1
Horsham Borough - 100/1
Grimsdyke Brass - 150/1

The Fancys - 30/100
From the Pack - 11/2
An Outsider - 10/1

Paddy Flower
23.02.2010, 14:27
Second Section
East London Brass - Evens fav
Becontree Brass - 7/1
Alder Valley - 9/1

Northfleet Brass - 14/1
St. Sebastian Wokingham - 16/1
Thundersley Brass - 16/1
Brighton & Hove City - 25/1
Ware Brass - 28/1
Littleport Brass - 28/1
Chichester City - 28/1
Tilbury - 33/1
Chinnor Silver - 33/1

Waterbeach Brass - 50/1
Crystal Palace - 50/1
Stantonbury Brass - 66/1
Epping Forest - 100/1
Colchester - 150/1

The Fancys - 8/13
From the Pack - 2/1
An Outsider - 16/1


Without The Favortite
Becontree Brass - 4/1
Alder Valley - 9/2
Northfleet Brass - 15/2
St. Sebastian Wokingham - 9/1
Thundersley Brass - 9/1
Brighton & Hove City - 14/1
Ware Brass - 16/1
Littleport Brass - 16/1
Chichester City - 16/1
Tilbury - 18/1
Chinnor Silver - 20/1
Waterbeach Brass - 28/1
Crystal Palace - 28/1
Stantonbury Brass - 50/1
Epping Forest - 66/1
Colchester - 100/1

Paddy Flower
23.02.2010, 14:28
Third Section
Hitchin Town - 9/2 fav
Fulham - 5/1
Hungerford Town - 6/1
Chalgrove - 15/2
Wantage Silver "B" - 8/1

Hemel Hempstead - 14/1
Norfolk Wherry Brass - 14/1
BAE Systems - 16/1
Betteshanger Welfare - 18/1
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 18/1
Tadley Concert - 20/1
Hangleton - 22/1
Woodbridge Excelsior - 25/1
Watford - 28/1

The Fancys - 4/9
From the Pack - 9/4
An Outsider - None

Paddy Flower
23.02.2010, 14:29
Fourth Section
Battle Town - 5/1 fav
Harwich RBL - 8/1
King's Lynn - 9/1
Cold Ash Brass - 10/1
Bletchington Silver - 10/1
LGB Brass - 10/1

Amersham - 11/1
Royston - 12/1
Great Yarmouth Brass - 16/1
Letchworth Garden City - 18/1
Cobham - 18/1
Charles Church Camberley - 20/1
EPB Brass - 25/1
Bradwell Silver - 28/1
Milton Keynes Development - 33/1

Snowdown Colliery Welfare - 40/1
Newmarket Town - 50/1

The Fancys - 5/6
From the Pack - 11/8
An Outsider - 22/1

Bryan_sop
27.02.2010, 02:28
Paddy who??

I've met the guy in his avatar...and it's never paddy...

Bryan_sop
27.02.2010, 02:30
more importantly, where does one place a bet?

andywooler
28.02.2010, 00:24
Is the fact that I played a few more right notes in the sectional earlier this week connected with Brighton's improvement from 100/1 to 25/1? Does paddy Flower have a snout in the band room?

Bass Trumpet
28.02.2010, 11:39
I've met the guy in his avatar...and it's never paddy...

Paddy's not as handsome.....

Paddy Flower
09.03.2010, 18:05
Handsome Paddy's update with a week and a half to go...

Championship Section
Redbridge - 6/5 fav (from 7/4)
Aveley & Newham - 5/2 (9/4)
Zone One - 7/2
Wantage 'A' - 11/1 (18/1)
Norfolk - 28/1 (16/1)
KM Medway - 33/1 (22/1)
Clacton-on-Sea Co-op - 50/1 (25/1)
City of Cambridge - 66/1 (50/1)
Kidlington - 100/1 (50/1)
Sandhurst - 100/1 (40/1)
Milton Keynes - 100/1 (66/1)
Bedford - 150/1 (100/1)

Paddy Flower
09.03.2010, 18:05
First Section
Friary Guildford - 11/4 fav (from 100/30)
Staines - 7/2
Jersey Premier - 13/2 (9/1)
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op - 8/1 (15/2)
Haverhill - 9/1 (7/1)
Welwyn Garden City - 12/1 (10/1)
Regent - 16/1 (18/1)
Soham Comrades - 28/1 (22/1)
St Albans - 33/1 (28/1)
Cawston - 40/1 (20/1)
Denham Hendon - 40/1
Egham - 40/1 (100/1)
Epsom & Ewell - 50/1
Grimsdyke - 50/1 (150/1)
Yiewsley & West Drayton - 66/1 (50/1)
Horsham - 100/1
Fairlop - 100/1 (66/1)

Paddy Flower
09.03.2010, 18:06
Second Section
East London - 10/11 fav (from Evens)
Becontree - 7/1
Alder Valley - 15/2 (9/1)
Thundersley - 16/1
Northfleet - 20/1 (14/1)
St. Sebastians - 20/1 (16/1)
Brighton & Hove - 28/1 (25/1)
Ware - 28/1
Chinnor - 28/1 (33/1)
Littleport - 33/1 (28/1)
Chichester - 40/1 (28/1)
Tilbury - 40/1 (33/1)
Crystal Palace - 50/1
Colchester - 66/1 (150/1)
Epping Forest - 66/1 (100/1)
Waterbeach - 66/1 (50/1)
Stantonbury - 100/1 (66/1)

Without the Favorite
Becontree - 7/2
Alder Valley - 7/2
Thundersley - 8/1
Northfleet - 11/1
St. Sebastians - 11/1
Brighton & Hove - 16/1
Ware - 16/1
Chinnor - 16/1
Littleport - 16/1
Chichester - 20/1
Tilbury - 20/1
Crystal Palace - 33/1
Colchester - 33/1
Epping Forest - 33/1
Waterbeach - 40/1
Stantonbury - 50/1

Paddy Flower
09.03.2010, 18:07
Third Section
Fulham - 3/1 fav (from 5/1)
Hitchin - 11/2 (9/2)
Wantage 'B' - 13/2 (8/1)
Chalgrove - 8/1 (15/2)
Hungerford - 9/1 (6/1)
Norfolk Wherry - 10/1 (14/1)
Betteshanger - 16/1 (18/1)
BAE Systems - 18/1 (16/1)
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 18/1
Woodbridge - 20/1 (25/1)
Hemel Hempstead - 22/1 (14/1)
Watford - 40/1 (28/1)
Tadley - 40/1 (20/1)
Hangleton - 40/1 (22/1)

Paddy Flower
09.03.2010, 18:07
Fourth Section
Battle - 4/1 fav (from 5/1)
LGB - 15/2 (10/1)
Royston - 9/1 (12/1)
Amersham - 10/1 (11/1)
Cold Ash - 12/1 (10/1)
Harwich RBL - 12/1 (8/1)
King's Lynn - 14/1 (9/1)
Gt Yarmouth - 14/1 (16/1)
Cobham - 14/1 (18/1)
Bletchington - 14/1 (10/1)
Bradwell - 18/1 (28/1)
Charles Church Camberley - 22/1 (20/1)
EPB - 28/1 (25/1)
Letchworth Garden City - 28/1 (18/1)
Snowdown - 33/1 (40/1)
Milton Keynes Dev. - 40/1 (33/1)
Newmarket - 50/1

Accidental
10.03.2010, 13:56
Does paddy Flower have a snout in the band room?
more likely hanging out in prediction central ;)

Simon_Horn
10.03.2010, 18:34
Oh, this Paddy Flower fella has certainly got his finger on the pulse of UK banding scene....well, for most things! Whilst I agree with about 90%, there are a few odd choices in L&SC area and I guess that is because Paddy has taken his predications from past glorys of bands and not perhaps how they really look now....[no names mentioned]

Super Ph
10.03.2010, 20:04
it's almost as though he doesn't actually spend his time listening to lower section L&SC bands

Bass Trumpet
11.03.2010, 08:51
it's almost as though he doesn't actually spend his time listening to lower section L&SC bands

Never!

Laserbeam bass
11.03.2010, 09:45
I'll have a tenner e/w treble on

Zone One 7/2
Becontree 7/1
Fulham 3/1

So assuming 1/5 odds for all and a win a piece

1505.28

Any combination of Win/Place or all placing

65.28

Paddy Flower
11.03.2010, 15:27
I'll have a tenner e/w treble on

Zone One 7/2
Becontree 7/1
Fulham 3/1

So assuming 1/5 odds for all and a win a piece

1505.28

Any combination of Win/Place or all placing

65.28

Always nice to have a divi worked out for me, saves my calculator :tongue:

Simon_Horn
11.03.2010, 17:06
it's almost as though he doesn't actually spend his time listening to lower section L&SC bands

Nice to see my old freind adding valuable comments again :)

Red Elvis
12.03.2010, 10:52
I'll have a tenner e/w treble on

Zone One 7/2
Becontree 7/1
Fulham 3/1

So assuming 1/5 odds for all and a win a piece

1505.28

Any combination of Win/Place or all placing

65.28

I'll join LBB in that please Paddy ! Tenner on for me with the addition of Ipswich in First section at 8/1

Laserbeam bass
12.03.2010, 12:19
I'll join LBB in that please Paddy ! Tenner on for me with the addition of Ipswich in First section at 8/1

Did you want permed E/W trebles 8 bets or one fourfold accumulator 2 X bets?

Acc 4
13129.73 if all win

169.73 for any win/place or all place combos

Permed trebles
80 stake

Max payout 9521.92
Min Payout 341.92 for 0-2 winners and places

Red Elvis
12.03.2010, 13:00
I'll take the accumulator ( no pressure lads - don't let me down !! )

Payment in the form of virtual pints !! ( Not that I'll get far with Stevenage bar prices !)

worzel
17.03.2010, 19:15
I'll take the accumulator ( no pressure lads - don't let me down !! )
Give me a tenner or I'lll open with a Bb!

Yes simon_horn, like I did for Bohemian Rhapsody on Remembrance Sunday

mjwarman
18.03.2010, 10:03
I'll have a tenner accumulator on:

Championship: Aveley & Newham
First: Staines
Second: East London Brass
Third: Chalgrove :clap:
Fourth: Battle Town

Paddy Flower
18.03.2010, 14:01
Paddy's final word ahead of this weekend...

Championship Section
Redbridge - 6/5 fav
Aveley & Newham - 5/2
Zone One - 7/2
Wantage 'A' - 12/1 (from 11/1)
Norfolk - 33/1 (28/1)
KM Medway - 40/1 (33/1)
Clacton-on-Sea Co-op - 50/1
Kidlington - 66/1 (100/1)
Sandhurst - 66/1 (100/1)
City of Cambridge - 100/1 (66/1)
Milton Keynes - 100/1
Bedford - 150/1

Paddy Flower
18.03.2010, 14:02
First Section
Friary Guildford - 5/2 fav (from 11/4)
Staines - 7/2
Jersey Premier - 13/2
Ipswich & Norwich Co-op - 8/1
Haverhill - 9/1
Welwyn Garden City - 14/1 (12/1)
Regent - 16/1
Soham Comrades - 33/1 (28/1)
St Albans - 33/1
Cawston - 33/1 (40/1)
Egham - 50/1 (40/1)
Denham Hendon - 50/1 (40/1)
Epsom & Ewell - 50/1
Grimsdyke - 66/1 (50/1)
Horsham - 66/1 (100/1)
Yiewsley & West Drayton - 66/1
Fairlop - 150/1 (100/1)

Paddy Flower
18.03.2010, 14:03
Second Section
East London - Evens fav (from 10/11)
Alder Valley - 7/1 (15/2)
Becontree - 7/1
Thundersley - 16/1
Northfleet - 22/1 (20/1)
Chinnor - 22/1 (28/1)
St. Sebastians - 25/1 (20/1)
Ware - 25/1 (28/1)
Brighton & Hove - 25/1 (28/1)
Littleport - 33/1
Chichester - 40/1
Tilbury - 40/1
Colchester - 50/1 (66/1)
Crystal Palace - 50/1
Epping Forest - 66/1
Stantonbury - 66/1 (100/1)
Waterbeach - 66/1

Without the Favorite
Alder Valley - 7/2
Becontree - 7/2
Thundersley - 9/1
Northfleet - 12/1
Chinnor - 12/1
St. Sebastians - 14/1
Ware - 14/1
Brighton & Hove - 14/1
Littleport - 20/1
Chichester - 25/1
Tilbury - 25/1
Colchester - 25/1
Crystal Palace - 28/1
Epping Forest - 33/1
Stantonbury - 40/1
Waterbeach - 40/1

Paddy Flower
18.03.2010, 14:06
Third Section
Fulham - 11/4 fav (from 3/1)
Hitchin - 5/1 (11/2)
Wantage 'B' - 15/2 (13/2)
Chalgrove - 8/1
Norfolk Wherry - 9/1 (10/1)
Hungerford - 9/1
BAE Systems - 18/1
Betteshanger - 18/1 (16/1)
Woodbridge - 20/1
Jubilee Brass (Oxford) - 20/1 (18/1)
Hemel Hempstead - 25/1 (22/1)
Watford - 40/1
Tadley - 40/1
Hangleton - 50/1 (40/1)

Paddy Flower
18.03.2010, 14:07
Fourth Section
Battle - 7/2 fav (from 4/1)
Royston - 15/2 (9/1)
LGB - 8/1 (15/2)
Amersham - 11/1 (10/1)
Cold Ash - 11/1 (12/1)
Harwich RBL - 14/1 (12/1)
Cobham - 14/1
Gt Yarmouth - 14/1
King's Lynn - 14/1
Bletchington - 16/1 (14/1)
Bradwell - 18/1
Charles Church Camberley - 22/1
EPB - 33/1 (28/1)
Letchworth Garden City - 33/1 (28/1)
Snowdown - 33/1
Milton Keynes Dev. - 40/1
Newmarket - 50/1

bassendworld
18.03.2010, 18:24
I'll have a tenner accumulator on:

Championship: Aveley & Newham
First: Staines
Second: East London Brass
Third: Chalgrove :clap:
Fourth: Battle Town

Hi Matt

Best of luck to you and everyone at Chalgrove on Saturday

Ian and Sally

Statto
18.03.2010, 23:27
Place your bets?

This might help
http://www.brassstats.com/area-qualifiers-history.aspx?id=1

Best of luck to all competing bands in Stevenage this weekend.

mjwarman
19.03.2010, 17:46
Hi Matt

Best of luck to you and everyone at Chalgrove on Saturday

Ian and Sally

Cheers guys, hoping that we won't need too much luck!!! :rolleyes:

Red Elvis
21.03.2010, 00:08
I'll join LBB in that please Paddy ! Tenner on for me with the addition of Ipswich in First section at 8/1


The Accumulator is going well thus far !! This time next week Rodders we'll all be millionaires !!!

Laserbeam bass
21.03.2010, 18:50
I'll have a tenner e/w treble on

Zone One 7/2
Becontree 7/1
Fulham 3/1

So assuming 1/5 odds for all and a win a piece

1505.28

Any combination of Win/Place or all placing

65.28

Still looking good for my 65.28 ;)

Come on Zone One

Will the Sec
21.03.2010, 19:50
:woo.....

Red Elvis
22.03.2010, 10:06
Still looking good for my 65.28 ;)

Come on Zone One

Doh !!! We was robbed LBB !!! Ipswich two places off for me , Zone One one place out for you !! Back to the drawing board for next year !!

Paddy Flower
22.03.2010, 12:43
I'll have a tenner e/w treble on

Zone One 7/2
Becontree 7/1
Fulham 3/1

So assuming 1/5 odds for all and a win a piece

1505.28

Any combination of Win/Place or all placing

65.28

:guiness


I'll join LBB in that please Paddy ! Tenner on for me with the addition of Ipswich in First section at 8/1

:guiness


I'll have a tenner accumulator on:

Championship: Aveley & Newham
First: Staines
Second: East London Brass
Third: Chalgrove :clap:
Fourth: Battle Town

:guiness

Red Elvis
23.03.2010, 11:35
You can never beat the bookie !! :)

Right Paddy - I'll have a tenner on either of the London bands to win at RAH in October , conducted by Elvis and with Lord Lucan playing principal cornet !

Di B
24.03.2010, 11:55
Wish I'd have put an accumulator on the bands I know!

Out of interest Paddy, what odds would have been for redbridge, friary, east london and fulham to win their respective sections?

Just want to inflict some self damage! Lol!

Laserbeam bass
24.03.2010, 14:45
In Paddy's absence

Combined odds of approx 259/1

1 would have got you 259.88 including your stake

Bass Trumpet
24.03.2010, 14:52
Right Paddy - I'll have a tenner on either of the London bands to win at RAH in October , conducted by Elvis and with Lord Lucan playing principal cornet !

That's worth a tenner of anybody's money! :D

Laserbeam bass
24.03.2010, 14:57
You can never beat the bookie !! :)

Right Paddy - I'll have a tenner on either of the London bands to win at RAH in October , conducted by Elvis and with Lord Lucan playing principal cornet !

Didn't realise you'd taken up conducting !!!!!!!

Mike Saville
25.03.2010, 11:03
IMO, East London have got to be worth a punt for the finals. . . . . .

Red Elvis
25.03.2010, 11:39
Didn't realise you'd taken up conducting !!!!!!!

Do you not remember my debut as a stick waggler ( winning first prize in the A ensembles section !! :) More by luck than judgement it has to be said !!) at Ringmer a few years back ? :)

Laserbeam bass
30.03.2010, 14:24
Do you not remember my debut as a stick waggler ( winning first prize in the A ensembles section !! :) More by luck than judgement it has to be said !!) at Ringmer a few years back ? :)

Didn't do that gig :tongue: