View Full Version : All England Masters 2004
Richard Dyson
18.11.2003, 05:34
The details of the 2004 All England Masters have been announced including the competing bands. Click on http://www.thebrassherald.com for the full story.
I think you'll find they're the INVITED bands, not COMPETING bands Richard!
PeterBale
18.11.2003, 09:57
I thought that as well, Andy. It'll be interestig to see whether any of those bands who have not chosen to compete previously will accept the invitation.
Presumably the ballot for choice of test piece will be between those bands that confirm their intention to take part?
johnflugel
18.11.2003, 10:22
Harrisons Dream...bring it on!!! :lol:
John
Rothwell Temps
Seedhouse
18.11.2003, 10:24
Hmm, probably a stupid question i'm going to ask. But why do some bands decide not to compete? Surely it'd be a good experience to pit yourself up against fellow top flight bands?
PeterBale
18.11.2003, 10:46
I think it is probably fair to say that since competitive banding began there have always been some bands who, when it comes to contesting, have limited their appearances to two or three events in a year. If they have a full concert programme, and have already established their reputation, they may well feel that a concert engagement will be more productive - quite apart from the commercial benefits involved.
Richard Dyson
18.11.2003, 16:50
Apologies Andy, yes these are invited bands the article on The Brass Herald (http://www.thebrassherald.com) does make this clear.
Sorry for any confusion
tubaloopy
18.11.2003, 18:00
Richard, do you not sleep? :shock:
johnflugel
19.11.2003, 13:20
Just out of interest, which piece out of the six does everyone fancy, as a player taking part or listener?
A Downland Suite - Ireland
Between the Moon and Mexico - Sparke
Connotations - Gregson
Harrison's Dream - Graham
Salamander - McCabe
The New Jerusalem - Wilby
As a player, I would love a crack at Harrisons Dream but as someone who wants to get as good a result as possible, I would choose 'A Downland Suite' - a piece that will not seperate the big name/star soloist bands from the rest.
Listening wise, I would want to hear 'Harrisons Dream' again because it was a great day at the RAH when they used it 2000. Cory, Fodens were awesome that day and YBS were shafted into 17th place :shock:
What do we think?
John
Rothwell Temps
iggmeister
19.11.2003, 13:49
I dont know Harrison's Dream, but I'm not too sure about Salamander- wont please the audience member who like a good ol' tune to whistle on the way home.
I like Connotations but would opt for a crack at Between the Moon and Mehico! I wouldn't go for New Jerusalem just because Atlantic (Wilby) used an off stage cornet solo only 2 years ago. Perhaps in a few more years time though.
I like Downland Suite but dont think the more fancied bands will go for that though. Time will tell.
Igg
PS I had no inklings or hot gossip about these pieces. Shall have to have a word to my source!!
I like Salamander! It's a wonderfully descriptive and evocative piece of music, like much of McCabe's work. Maybe it's a bit lacking in a "tune", but it's got colours and images in plenty. I have a recording of Grimethorpe playing it at the '97 Europeans and it's worth listening to a couple of times to get the feel of it!
Harrisson's Dream is just class in a tin, and Downland Suite is underrated I feel - not as techical as some of the others, but some real subtlety required.
Must get recordings of the rest of them!
yorkie19
19.11.2003, 15:04
Harrison's Dream would get my vote. Not sure about the adjudicators though.
Sam
midwalesman
20.11.2003, 09:21
Had a look at the options a few days ago and have thought about what piece I'd like to play. I remember Harrison's Dream and its tricky beginning for back row, but a nice piece all the less. Having played all the pieces before (not necessarily in contest) I would really, really like to play Salamander. There are a few reasons why I would like this piece :-
(1) On the "go away and whistle a melody" I think there are a few tunes in there to remember.
(2) Having played at the last two contests and played the more "conservative", "tune based" pieces I would like to percieve that the movement is at least crawling forward musically by playing more contemporary-ish music.
(3) There are tonal colours and technical excersise in a piece which has been neglected for a long time.
(4) I feel that a good reception to a piece by John McCabe would probably be due, especially after the lack of "understanding" when he wrote Maunsel Forts for the Open.
Just my thoughts anyway!
jamie the euph
20.11.2003, 22:02
I have to vote for the Downland suite hands down cause i think that it is a great piece of music and i prefer it more than the other five!but i love the secound movement. my vote has to go to the Downland Suite!
Accidental
21.11.2003, 09:49
I'd vote for Salamander purely because I think John McCabe's music deserves more attention - no other composer paints such good pictures in my head, and I think its ok not to "get it" on the first (or even 5th!) listen.
As a player, I'd love a crack at Harrison's Dream or the Moon and Mexico, because Sparke and Graham both write such fab parts for horns/baris.
Tricky choice this one Harrisons Dream stands out however if only to provoke memories of RAH 2000.
No one going for New Jerusalem ? Excellent peice but I understand the difficulties with the off stage cornet, I guess thats why On Alderley Edge never gets selected.
Ian
satchmo shaz
21.11.2003, 17:39
moon and mexico for me! :wink:
I think that 'A Downland Suite' would be such a good test for bands. It would certainly sort the bands out!
But...
If I was playing at the Masters I would be voting for 'Salamander'... Awesome piece!
Neil Samuel
uncle eric
02.12.2003, 12:10
hello friends
me and our ada always make the trip to cambridge, armed with a handsomely packed sandwich box!, because a friend of her brothers lives in the area. my very favourite out of all the list is 'a new jerusalem' beautiful.
i do hope that the two really big names grimethorpe and black dyke attend. i'm sure that would make everyones day.
best wishes, and lets look forward to an exciting days contesting!
uncle eric
Uncle Eric - Dyke & Grimey accepting their invitation - Alas I think you will be disapointed.....
BrassNeil
02.12.2003, 17:05
For me as a player i would like to play New Jerusalem, as a audience member i would enjoy listening to Between The moon And Mexico again, and for nostalgia a chance to hear top bands playing Connotations would be a treat. Wierd though thinking of Connotations as a nostalgic choice. Only my thoughts.
For me, the only piece i want to play is Between the Moon & Mexico. The piece is quite intricate, but at the same time has great melodies that the audience wont get sick of listening to. The power, control, clarity & then the flowing control in the melodic phrases will test any band. Plus it brings back great memories of London in 1998 with B&R.
iggmeister
09.12.2003, 13:49
Perhaps if those tMP members who play in copeting bands were to put up their nominations we could sort of figure out what the piece will be.
Igg
SoloBaritone
09.12.2003, 13:58
The Masters is 4 days after my 21st, any kind tmp member wishing to buy me a birthday drink will not be turned away!!
Jayne
i seem to remember you saying this about last years contest :P
big_benthomson
10.12.2003, 22:21
i want to do Downland Suite. I know its pretty difficult, but as people have been saying, it'll sort the men from the boys AND carry a tune at the same time
VenusTromster
10.12.2003, 22:38
The Masters is 4 days after my 21st, any kind tmp member wishing to buy me a birthday drink will not be turned away!!
Jayne
Think its about time you brought me a drink after threatening you would shoot me!
I'd vote for Downland Suite and Connotations, but would like to have a crack at Between The Moon and Mexico. Don't mind whats picked as they are all going to have a tricky bit in somewhere.
Darth_Tuba
10.12.2003, 22:41
i want to do Downland Suite. I know its pretty difficult, but as people have been saying, it'll sort the men from the boys AND carry a tune at the same time
Have to agree with my partner in tuba playing crime here, Downland would be an excellent choice. I'd go for Connotations after that.
SoloBaritone
11.12.2003, 11:23
Aidan, I've been saying it for the past 3 years! The Masters is always at the same time as my birthday. I spent my 18th birthday in Cambridge, we came 3rd though so it was a good present!
I still see no offers for drinks, come on people!!!
Becky, I can't buy you a drink, I'm too much of a arrogant section leader, apparently!!
Jayne
VenusTromster
11.12.2003, 13:51
Becky, I can't buy you a drink, I'm too much of a arrogant section leader, apparently!!
Jayne
Who said that???
I'll buy you a drink as long as you buy me a drink for my 21st, think its only fair!! :guiness
Becky, I can't buy you a drink, I'm too much of a arrogant section leader, apparently!!
Jayne
Who said that???
I'll buy you a drink as long as you buy me a drink for my 21st, think its only fair!! :guiness
Jayne, you've had a Stella off me every time I've seen you at the Masters. Bex, when is your 21st?
SoloBaritone
11.12.2003, 16:06
That's because you love buying me drinks Rich! This one's a special birthday so I deserve a drink off everyone!!
Sounds a fair deal to me Becky, I'll get you half a coke.
Jayne
Had a look at the options a few days ago and have thought about what piece I'd like to play. I remember Harrison's Dream and its tricky beginning for back row, but a nice piece all the less. Having played all the pieces before (not necessarily in contest) I would really, really like to play Salamander. There are a few reasons why I would like this piece :-
(1) On the "go away and whistle a melody" I think there are a few tunes in there to remember.
(2) Having played at the last two contests and played the more "conservative", "tune based" pieces I would like to percieve that the movement is at least crawling forward musically by playing more contemporary-ish music.
(3) There are tonal colours and technical excersise in a piece which has been neglected for a long time.
(4) I feel that a good reception to a piece by John McCabe would probably be due, especially after the lack of "understanding" when he wrote Maunsel Forts for the Open.
Just my thoughts anyway!
I have to agree with Mr Jones , having played or suffered all the test pieces suggested Salamander would get my vote. I'm not a huge fan of Harrisons dream, that whole osterich march and ride in the car lark...more like a nightmare to listen too.
PeterBale
12.12.2003, 11:00
I have to agree with Mr Jones , having played or suffered all the test pieces suggested Salamander would get my vote. I'm not a huge fan of Harrisons dream, that whole osterich march and ride in the car lark...more like a nightmare to listen too.
That's Bourgeois' "Concerto No 1 for brass Band", not "Harrison's Dream" :shock:
Lauradoll
12.12.2003, 13:39
I have to agree with Mr Jones , having played or suffered all the test pieces suggested Salamander would get my vote. I'm not a huge fan of Harrisons dream, that whole osterich march and ride in the car lark...more like a nightmare to listen too.
That's Bourgeois' "Concerto No 1 for brass Band", not "Harrison's Dream" :shock:
:shock: :shock: I can safely say that Lames is NEVER EVER wrong :wink: :wink:
DOH!!!!!!
ah well, live n learn, must have slept through that one
soz folks
:shock: :shock: I can safely say that Lames is NEVER EVER wrong :wink: :wink:
Was that intentional?!
Lauradoll
12.12.2003, 13:53
:shock: :shock: I can safely say that Lames is NEVER EVER wrong :wink: :wink:
Was that intentional?!
It's phonetic....that's what it sounds like when I say it.....I'm never wrong either, never mind James. James.
VenusTromster
12.12.2003, 15:19
Becky, I can't buy you a drink, I'm too much of a arrogant section leader, apparently!!
Jayne
Who said that???
I'll buy you a drink as long as you buy me a drink for my 21st, think its only fair!! :guiness
Jayne, you've had a Stella off me every time I've seen you at the Masters. Bex, when is your 21st?
Well its not until the 13th September but have to think ahead - might clash with the open!?
Thanx for the pint last night - not bad!
VenusTromster
12.12.2003, 15:20
That's because you love buying me drinks Rich! This one's a special birthday so I deserve a drink off everyone!!
Sounds a fair deal to me Becky, I'll get you half a coke.
Jayne
Ok, done deal, a lime and lemonade for you and a half a coke for me!
PeterBale
13.12.2003, 10:54
I see there's speculation on 4barsrest that Faireys may be out of the country when the Masters is on next year:
http://4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=1633
Naomi McFadyen
13.12.2003, 12:02
... mmm! :lol: Now wouldn't that be something! :twisted: :roll:
Incase anyone hadnt read it, Faireys have now confirmed that they arent doing the Masters! Prior commitment due to them retaining their national title being the reason.
YorkshireBloke
30.12.2003, 14:33
If faireys arn't going does another band get invited? Is there a "reserve" list?
Paul
Skelmanthorpe Band
Anyone know what the rules are regarding dep players? I definately saw Richard Marshall in the changing rooms last year, I think he was with Rothwell despite obviously being with Grimey. I am staying put at my new band now but wouldnt mind doing the masters again this year, anyone know what the rules are???
Darth_Tuba
31.12.2003, 15:54
Anyone know what the rules are regarding dep players? I definately saw Richard Marshall in the changing rooms last year, I think he was with Rothwell despite obviously being with Grimey. I am staying put at my new band now but wouldnt mind doing the masters again this year, anyone know what the rules are???
You can't normally borrow, but I think with Grimey not doing any contests after the area in 2003 (bar spenny, for which you can borrow) it would have been possible for Richard to have signed for the band and then signed back for Grimey 6 months later. Might be wrong.
johnflugel
01.01.2004, 16:04
Richard Marshall did indeed assist us at the Masters - our regular assistant principal (Richard was clearly a more than able bumper up!) was serving with the Armed Forces in the gulf at the time. I am unsure what the registery proceedures and rules are ( i just play!) but it was all 100% legit I am sure. Difficult to sneak a player like Richard on the stage unnoticed!
Owing to the transfer window, we need to be assited by the odd loan deal :wink:
John
Flugel - Rothwell Temps
Brian Bowen
01.01.2004, 16:10
Richard Marshall also deputized on principal cornet with First City Brass the year Pageantry was the test piece. I was there.
johnflugel
09.01.2004, 10:14
From the bands invited, can anyone suggest what they have voted for?
I think we went with 'Piece X' and 'Piece Other X'.
John
Kepps: Stealth Mode again
iggmeister
09.01.2004, 13:45
JAG voted for (1) Piece 1 and (2) Piece 2
Keppler: Stealth mode activated
davidquinlan
09.01.2004, 15:08
I think Aveley have voted for " hmmm, er... eh.. one of the pieces on the list"...... dunno for sure as I was on holiday in Cyprus when the votes were cast...
edited to remove the name of the piece, don't want to be getting into trouble .. "exercising caution!!"
doh!
:oops:
johnflugel
09.01.2004, 16:05
I have just been told to exercise caution when talking about what each band has voted for. I believe it may have to be kept between bands and not debated publicly so I will refrain from discussing it any further...just in case Mr Biggs happens to be reading :oops:
John
i dont see the fuss over this particular matter...
quite right with the pre-draws, but simple votes for a test-piece is a different kettle of fish isnt it!?
If faireys arn't going does another band get invited? Is there a "reserve" list?
If Dyke and Faireys don't go maybe there are two spaces available?? I'm not sure how this works but I guess that some of the names that spring to mind are:
Hepworth - 2nd at Scottish Open, 2nd at Pontins
Skelmanthorpe - Pontins Champions, Tameside Open Champions
Glossop - Northern Open Champions
Also Fishburn and Pennine are good bands that are usually there or there abouts and so are Freckleton and Haydock. Wingates and Desford are big names that stand out as being absent although 2003 wasn't particularly consistent for them.
On 2003 overall form i would say that Hepworth and Skelmanthorpe deserve the places if there are any spare invites. Thats my opinion for what it's worth anyway.
What do others think?
Carl
Bolton
:twisted:
hepworth are the form band.. they definately deserve to be there
iggmeister
11.01.2004, 17:55
i dont see the fuss over this particular matter...
quite right with the pre-draws, but simple votes for a test-piece is a different kettle of fish isnt it!?
I agree. First post of mine that has been 'interfered with' by the moderators. Openness about how the pieces are selected seems to be in everybody's interests. I don't see any prejuduce will be suffered or caused. Also, I dont recall seeing anything in the rules that this information should not be disclosed.
If it was the draw or the names of adjudicators I could understand. I deliberately didn't mention who we had nominated as adjudicators. Besides, the closing date for putting in the nominations for test pieces, (and, incidentally, adjudicators), closed with the entry date. It's not as if any band can change their votes in light of this information. Again, this is another reason why I saw no harm in revealing the information.
I did mention about bands revealing their nominations earlier in this topic- no warnings were made at that time. Perhaps that would have been the time to state tMP policy on these sorts of things.
Would be nice to have a little clarity though.
Igg
shedophone
11.01.2004, 18:24
I agree- Hepworth seems the logical choice of band to invite, it has been a great year for them.
hepworth are the form band.. they definately deserve to be there
I heard Hepworth and Skelmanthorpe at Pontins...they both sounded like bands who could do well at Cambridge next year and deserve a chance imho. They both stood out on the day against the other bands that i heard.
But then again if a "big name" is a factor then i wouldn't be surprised to see Desford and Wingates getting Invites. And Desford won Butlins.......
Carl
:twisted:
Phil Green
11.01.2004, 22:20
Yes, come on moderators - why are you censoring this - if a band is prepared to tell what it voted for, what grounds do you have to prohibit them?? Seems a little anal to me :?
johnflugel
12.01.2004, 08:38
Phil
What did you band vote for? :wink:
John
First post of mine that has been 'interfered with' by the moderators.
Right, seems that a little explanation is required here..
As I've articulated before, I'm probably not the world's greatest oracle on the ins and outs of various contest rules. However, I did see a post implying that there be at least some semblance of subtlety regarding test piece votes (whether it be true or not) and so, my actions in masking the various piece names were designed to
a) protect the bands in the possible event of some rule or spirit breach
b) protect tMP in the event of same.
I personally don't see the harm in revealing this information, but as I said - given the information available to me at the time, my opinion was that it was better to mask them and take the flak rather than have some bands potentially take flak down the line. I deliberately made the masking as light hearted as possible in order to avoid "being anal".
As for "interfering" - well, that's my perogative I'm afraid. You guys can call it interfering if you like. I'll call it doing my job. :tup
Anyhoo, hope this clears it all up - No harm was done to anyone and no offence caused.
Kepps
Phil Green
12.01.2004, 17:07
John,
I don't have a clue, I think our MD voted on our behalf. I myself would have gone for Harrisons Dream and On Alderly Edge (was this on there!). My hope would be that bands didn't vote for the easiest piece to "give themselves a chance" (not trying to offend any bands at all here) like they did at the recent Scottish Open.
JANUARYMAN
12.01.2004, 18:12
Carl 28, Nadia, shedophone,
Thanks for the supporting notes on the previous page. A few years ago we helped out at very short notice after a late withdrawal and were disappointed not to be included last year. Fingers crossed that we get the nod this time as I am sure we are now in a position to contribute fully at this contest. According to BBW I think we are now ranked 18th, so we are probably ranked a bit higher than that against just the English bands? Is the All England Masters supposed to be the top 20 odd English bands?
Cheers,
Dave Horan
Hepworth Band
johnflugel
13.01.2004, 09:56
As it's an invitation contest, I don't think there are any set rules.
Not sure about the 'top 20' thing as my band is not actually ranked in there but has received an invitation again. It could be argued we are not in the top 20 because we only do 3 contests (area, shield and masters) a yeat whereas others above us compete at Pontins, Scottish Open, Wilkinsons too. Plus we have done well at the contest since going in 2001 without setting the world alight.
Are there other bands like Hepworth who deserve an invite as there are bands from so-called 'weaker' areas than Yorkshire & the North West. that regularly compete in the Masters. Are bands like Aveley, Redbridge and Woodfalls really better than Hepworth, Skelmanthorpe etc
It could be argued that if the Masters want a representation of the finest bands from all areas of the country then they have got it spot on.
Have I sparked a whole new debate? :oops:
John
travelsphere yes maybe, but in my opinion the others are not the same class as heppy at the moment.
grandfilth
02.02.2004, 13:35
thankyou aidan its good to see someone bvelieves in the power of the mighty hepworth!!
P.S. look out at the area!!!!!!!!
Carl 28, Nadia, shedophone,
Thanks for the supporting notes on the previous page. A few years ago we helped out at very short notice after a late withdrawal and were disappointed not to be included last year. Fingers crossed that we get the nod this time as I am sure we are now in a position to contribute fully at this contest. According to BBW I think we are now ranked 18th, so we are probably ranked a bit higher than that against just the English bands? Is the All England Masters supposed to be the top 20 odd English bands?
Cheers,
Dave Horan
Hepworth Band
Now then Horanotang me old mukka, hows it going under the bright lights of the Wooldale Arms?
After the bands stupendous efforts to show interest in the Masters a few years back, and to get an invite back then I'm sure that those in the know must be looking favourably at the band for a spot in this years contest given the bands great form at the moment.
C'MON HEPOIL!!!!!!!!
Nice photie too, very innocent, ha ha.
Cheers
Jambo!
twm_trombone
04.02.2004, 13:55
Does anyone now when the test piece selected will be announced?
iggmeister
04.02.2004, 13:59
Later this week apparently.....
Igg
JANUARYMAN
04.02.2004, 17:27
Carl 28, Nadia, shedophone,
Thanks for the supporting notes on the previous page. A few years ago we helped out at very short notice after a late withdrawal and were disappointed not to be included last year. Fingers crossed that we get the nod this time as I am sure we are now in a position to contribute fully at this contest. According to BBW I think we are now ranked 18th, so we are probably ranked a bit higher than that against just the English bands? Is the All England Masters supposed to be the top 20 odd English bands?
Cheers,
Dave Horan
Hepworth Band
Now then Horanotang me old mukka, hows it going under the bright lights of the Wooldale Arms?
After the bands stupendous efforts to show interest in the Masters a few years back, and to get an invite back then I'm sure that those in the know must be looking favourably at the band for a spot in this years contest given the bands great form at the moment.
C'MON HEPOIL!!!!!!!!
Nice photie too, very innocent, ha ha.
Cheers
Jambo!
Jambo,
Doesn't look like where going to get a sniff mate. It's not what you know, it's who you know in this game!
Cheers,
Dave
P.S. R U coming accross for Preston this weekend?
SoloBaritone
05.02.2004, 13:40
Hey Dave!
Good luck for this weekend, I can't come unfortunately because of stuff on at uni but I'm sure the band will be brill.
Jayne
JANUARYMAN
05.02.2004, 16:56
Cheers Jayne, not sure which bands are going, there has been nothing on 4barsrest?
Dave
Hepworth
Dave mate, could you not find a better photo than that. People think your taking the mick. Everyone who see's januarymans Avatar, that actually is him im afraid. Get it changed!!!
GIMP!
Heppy
Sop
Hepworth
twm_trombone
05.02.2004, 22:50
He reminds me of an american college student!
Has Harrisons Dream been selected then or was that just a guess??
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Richard Dyson
07.02.2004, 22:09
The full details of the All England Masters are on The Brass Herald (http://www.thebrassherald.com)
YorkshireBloke
08.02.2004, 13:39
If Dyke and Faireys don't go maybe there are two spaces available?? I'm not sure how this works but I guess that some of the names that spring to mind are:
Hepworth - 2nd at Scottish Open, 2nd at Pontins
Skelmanthorpe - Pontins Champions, Tameside Open Champions
Glossop - Northern Open Champions
Also Fishburn and Pennine are good bands that are usually there or there abouts and so are Freckleton and Haydock. Wingates and Desford are big names that stand out as being absent although 2003 wasn't particularly consistent for them.
On 2003 overall form i would say that Hepworth and Skelmanthorpe deserve the places if there are any spare invites. Thats my opinion for what it's worth anyway.
What do others think?
Carl
Bolton
:twisted:
Carl
Thanks for the vote of confidence last month......but it looks like you were way out.
Good luck to those bands who are invited.
Paul
Skelmanthorpe
How are bands like mine and our friends up the road (Skelmanthorpe) supposed to get invited to these competitions? WHAT MORE DO WE HAVE TO DO?! All we want is the chance to prove ourselves at that level, this years circumstances seemed the perfect opportunity to 'try out' bands like ours. Obviously not.
Heppy
Hepworth
grandfilth
09.02.2004, 12:33
damned straight, I really don't see how currently we're not in top 20 or so in the country, but hey, its not about who's best after all its not as if its an invitational event...!!o well actually given the fact we came second to a first section nband yesterday it may be difficult to complain!!
Mark Bousie
14.02.2004, 01:43
Harrison's Dream should make for a very interesting and exciting contest then and will sort out the bands (mind you, how many times have we said that?!). A great piece of music to perform and listen to and definately the most testing piece chosen for Cambridge in a long while. I'd better get practicing!
rickcowens
15.02.2004, 13:30
Harrison's Dream should make for a very interesting and exciting contest then and will sort out the bands (mind you, how many times have we said that?!). A great piece of music to perform and listen to and definately the most testing piece chosen for Cambridge in a long while. I'd better get practicing!
what a test piece Harrison's dream is!!!! nice euph solo going up to top fb i think. have fun!!!! ill be there hopefully listening!! good luck to all!
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