National Finals - 4th Section Test Piece : Roman Triptych

[Di]

Order details and discussion for the National Finals Fourth Section Test Piece :

Roman Triptych - Leigh Baker
Kirklees Music
609 Bradford Road,
Brighouse,
West Yorks.
HD6 4DN
Tel.: (01484) 722855 Fax: (01484) 723591

[CubbRep]

Is there an errata for this test piece?Or better still,has it already been proof read to eliminate any mistakes?
CubbRep...Midlands Area 4th section Champion Band 2007.

[imthemaddude]

Is there an errata for this test piece?Or better still,has it already been proof read to eliminate any mistakes?
CubbRep...Midlands Area 4th section Champion Band 2007.

Well your positive!! I'm sure there will be with time.

[CubbRep]

Well your positive!! I'm sure there will be with time.
I think its best to ask early,then all bands have a chance of trying to get it right.
CubbRep.:tup

[beccawheeze2]

Cubbington had their first run through on Monday night. A big thumbs up from all. Bring it on!

[CubbRep]

Cubbington had their first run through on Monday night. A big thumbs up from all. Bring it on!
I hope your right Becci.I,m looking forwards to having a good blow at it on Friday.
CubbRep:clap:

[BMMB]

Buckhaven had their first run through last night. Only had half a band but sounds a great piece to play and should be entertaining for the audience. Shades of every Romanesque type piece you've ever played, Gladiator, Pines of Rome et al! Even has a Eb bass and Euph duet in the second movement (those guys never get on at the best of times...lol!).

[CaharleyFarley]

I had my first go at it last Friday - it gets my vote for sure.

[alangiff3]

We've had two run throughs so far and the piece is very good, very melodic and lots of trombone features :D

[alangiff3]

Any Idea when a recording is going to be released of Roman Triptych? I'm Assuming that Brighouse and Rastrick are going to make the first recording of it.

[beccawheeze2]

Listen to the Band on Radio Two are braodcasting a performance at the start of August, but I believe it is only the first movement.

[basherbaggie man]

We have run throught the piece once and as the kit drummer, I am not looking forward to having to learn the first 16 bars of the third movement, Im all on my own!!!!!! But it sounds a really nice piece of music very fanfarey just hope I can do it justice. Any 4th section drummers feel the same?

[David Pegram]

We have run throught the piece once and as the kit drummer, I am not looking forward to having to learn the first 16 bars of the third movement, Im all on my own!!!!!! But it sounds a really nice piece of music very fanfarey just hope I can do it justice. Any 4th section drummers feel the same?

Just do what all you drummers do busk.

[basherbaggie man]

David How dare you suggest that us drummers busk!!!! the cheek of it!!!!

Anyway with your brother in charge, there's very little chance of that is there?

[Dave_the_Flugel]

I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but Brighouse and Rastrick are performing Roman Triptych on Listen to the Band on Friday at 9.30pm on Radio 2 - will be interesting to hear for sure.

[the ox]

Only the first movement though!

[basherbaggie man]

Hi are there any percussionists from any bands playing at Harrogate that have any good tricks for playing the 3rd movement?

Played it last night and am having great difficulty playing it. My hands just do not move fast enough

[McEuphie]

Unfortunately won't have the fun of playing this but heard the first movement on LTTB and sounds like a good piece - quite a test for 4th sections bands as well!

Good luck to all.

McEuphie
Solo Euph
Barnton Silver Band.

[QAD]

Well I'm back to my ususal despair that the parts contain errors. How publishers manage this with the quality of music editing software I will never know - or do they rely too much on the software and not bother to proof read.
Any news on an errata?

[leighbaker.co.uk]

Hope folks are enjoying the piece!

In response to a few questions-

I compose at the piano using manuscript!-archaic I know but that's the way i prefer to work-scoring as I go.

The score (after a number of revisions in this case) is then sent to a sibelius/finale buff (I have my own and different publishers use a variety of people)

This IS then proof read!
Roman Triptych was returned/ammended at least 5 times after fine tooth combing by myself and my publisher and numerous band "run throughs".

The score is then used as the definitive version and parts are produced from this (after positioning and tidying up is done)-all this is then printed.

BUT gremlins can still sneak in as we are all human and may miss small details!

There are a no wrong notes to my knowledge but a short erratum containing a few rhythmic changes, some dynamics and a mute instruction will be announced this week. Myself and Kirklees have really worked hard to iron out glitches to avoid band/MD frustration.

Any particular questions you have-contact me through my web site and I'll do my best!(a number of conductors have already done so).

Hope that helps-watch out for the small erratum.

Best of luck at Harrogate (I hope to hear all the bands perform)

Leigh Baker

[agentorange]

I had the pleasure of hearing Wakey Met band perform the first movement at Kippax Band Club last weekend - it's a belter!

Looking forward to hearing the whole thing at Harrogate soon.

[QAD]

Hope folks are enjoying the piece!

In response to a few questions-

I compose at the piano using manuscript!-archaic I know but that's the way i prefer to work-scoring as I go.

The score (after a number of revisions in this case) is then sent to a sibelius/finale buff (I have my own and different publishers use a variety of people)

This IS then proof read!
Roman Triptych was returned/ammended at least 5 times after fine tooth combing by myself and my publisher and numerous band "run throughs".

The score is then used as the definitive version and parts are produced from this (after positioning and tidying up is done)-all this is then printed.

BUT gremlins can still sneak in as we are all human and may miss small details!

There are a no wrong notes to my knowledge but a short erratum containing a few rhythmic changes, some dynamics and a mute instruction will be announced this week. Myself and Kirklees have really worked hard to iron out glitches to avoid band/MD frustration.

Any particular questions you have-contact me through my web site and I'll do my best!(a number of conductors have already done so).

Hope that helps-watch out for the small erratum.

Best of luck at Harrogate (I hope to hear all the bands perform)

Leigh Baker

Thanks for the quick response Leigh

From you comments I assume that the 'few rhythmic changes' are the horn parts in bars 33-34 of the movement one?
The 'mute instruction' is for the repiano (st mute) in bar 47 of the first movement.
Are the 'dynamics' a couple of f entries missing from horn 2, bar 31 movment 3; and bass trom bar 89 movement 3?

Looking forward to the official errata from the publishers/Kapitol... and making my trombones roar... funny thing is bass trom does resemble a lion tamer

[leighbaker.co.uk]

ERRATUM

MOVT 1

D-horn parts are fine(-they fit with the "stabs")
F to G-rep -tin mute in
F4 an F5 -snare should have same "stab" rhythms as band "stabs"
L4 -troms mf (obvious?)
M4- basses f (as band)
last 3-flg/hns-ff entry

MOVT2

euph phrase at D2-breathe after B-then phrase into next bar like flugel
G-harmony is right!
last muted chord-tube fully extended (not out)

MOVT 3

Euph Cadenza before L-mp on fgf triplet
bar 143-back row/troms-stacc crotchets in this bar


Most of these are minor points you may well have spotted already!

Hope that helps-best of luck everyone

Leigh Baker

[QAD]

ERRATUM

MOVT 1

D-horn parts are fine(-they fit with the "stabs")
F to G-rep -tin mute in
F4 an F5 -snare should have same "stab" rhythms as band "stabs"
L4 -troms mf (obvious?)
M4- basses f (as band)
last 3-flg/hns-ff entry

MOVT2

euph phrase at D2-breathe after B-then phrase into next bar like flugel
G-harmony is right!
last muted chord-tube fully extended (not out)

MOVT 3

Euph Cadenza before L-mp on fgf triplet
bar 143-back row/troms-stacc crotchets in this bar


Most of these are minor points you may well have spotted already!

Hope that helps-best of luck everyone

Leigh Baker

Leigh,

Thanks - also recieved the official errata from the contest secretary.
I have a couple of questions outstanding from the errata.
Would you mind confirming the following:
Mvt 1, bar 23 (3 before C) - no crescendo in the basses
Mvt 3, bar 95 (2 before J) - soprano should have an Eb instead of the written E natural

Thanks in advance
Kind Regards
Huw

[leighbaker.co.uk]

Yep-well found!

Change em both!

leigh

[rgdunning]

I'm really looking forward to this years Nat Finals. Think the testpiece is a good one and should really test the 4th section to the hilt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[eanto]

We've just started playing Roman Triptych in the last week or so, and although not technical difficult for Gods Intrument (horns), it's a rite blow 'an half!! I realise the second movment's a bit of a breather but not by much!

The horn parts reminds me of the soundtrack to Good Morning Vietnam; when Adrian Cronauer asks the Gunnery Sgt what he wants to play - he says 'Play Anything! Just play it LOUD!!!!!

[QAD]

Hi Leigh,
I just thought I'd pass my full of list of queries to you - some of which you have already answered are included in the official errata (they are included here just for convienience). Again many are minor points.
The ones I'm most concerned about are nos. 13,23,24,28,31,32,40
Thanks in advance
Huw

[QAD]

Hi Leigh,
I just thought I'd pass my full of list of queries to you - some of which you have already answered are included in the official errata (they are included here just for convienience). Again many are minor points.
The ones I'm most concerned about are nos. 13,23,24,28,31,32,40
Thanks in advance
Huw

Leigh,
I was wondering if you had chance to look at the above queries? Also in movement three, the medival feel (figure M + 5) is a repeated section where the horns are marked 2nd time only, and yet they have music in the first time bar?
Should they play the first time bar or come in three bars before the first time bar?

Thanks
Huw

[Kiz7]

Leigh,
I was wondering if you had chance to look at the above queries? Also in movement three, the medival feel (figure M + 5) is a repeated section where the horns are marked 2nd time only, and yet they have music in the first time bar?
Should they play the first time bar or come in three bars before the first time bar?

Thanks
Huw


I see you are being your usual thorough self Huw! I'm sure that everyone else taking part in the section appreciates you asking the questions they might have been pondering too. Well done for asking "in the open" and not trying to gain any personal advantage by PM'ing or such like. Very decent, as ever.

Also a MASSIVE well done to Leigh Baker for coming on this site and answering queries - I'm sure that the band's competing have appreciated this.

Just one little thought from a "non-competitor" at this year's finals. Perhaps, with just a few weeks to go, it is fairest for ALL bands concerned (not just the ones with computer literate MD's or band members) if there are no further errata's or amendments and the bands now have to draw on their MD's experience and judgement/interpretation to perform the piece to the best of their ability? After all, I'm sure there are some people who believe (as I do) that that is what the "man" in the middle should be/is qualified to do. This shoud apply, in my opinion to all sections, although I suppose a fair degree of leeway could be given in the lower sections.

Food for thought??? or just late night ramblings?

Anyway, best of luck to all the competitors. You are all winners in my view!

K

[QAD]

Just one little thought from a "non-competitor" at this year's finals. Perhaps, with just a few weeks to go, it is fairest for ALL bands concerned (not just the ones with computer literate MD's or band members) if there are no further errata's or amendments and the bands now have to draw on their MD's experience and judgement/interpretation to perform the piece to the best of their ability? After all, I'm sure there are some people who believe (as I do) that that is what the "man" in the middle should be/is qualified to do. This shoud apply, in my opinion to all sections, although I suppose a fair degree of leeway could be given in the lower sections.


K,
Not entirely sure what your late-night 'ramblings' are aiming at here. Anything put up on this site is not official and is down to the MD's judgement wether to include them. The only official errata is from Kapitol.
Personally I would like to see a second errata as I feel that the above questions warrant an official response and would give us all more confidence in our choices - indeed this is my ultimate aim with posting these queries.
With two weeks to go, it is time that we had a proper response on this.
Cheers
Huw - busy feeding the Trombone section Frosties

[Kiz7]

K,
Not entirely sure what your late-night 'ramblings' are aiming at here. Anything put up on this site is not official and is down to the MD's judgement wether to include them. The only official errata is from Kapitol.
Personally I would like to see a second errata as I feel that the above questions warrant an official response and would give us all more confidence in our choices - indeed this is my ultimate aim with posting these queries.
With two weeks to go, it is time that we had a proper response on this.
Cheers
Huw - busy feeding the Trombone section Frosties

My ramblings weren't really aiming at anything, just a thought I had that it could be argued that part of the MD's job is to interpret the score, mistakes and all, and that with two weeks to go perhaps there should be a cut-off point for any amendments (such as two weeks) and then all bands and MD's have to make their own decisions and create their own interpretation.

After all, there may be some bands who have not seen Leigh's amendments that could be disadvantaged by further updates at this point.

However, if Kaptiol were to publish a second errata then great but they would need to do so p.d.q. in order to make sure that ALL the bands get it in time to make the necessary changes.

I certainly don't doubt your motives in asking the questions Huw and, again, commend you on doing so out in the open (as I did in my previous post) but i do still hold the opinion that part of the MD's job is interpretation and reading/analyzing the score - something I know that you, with your compositional background, are most capable of doing.

Good luck to the band - don't feed the trombone to many Frosites or they may turn orange with black stripes!

[Sop_Or_Bass?]

Good luck to the band - don't feed the trombone to many Frosites or they may turn orange with black stripes!

That's what they need to do - Bring on the Tigers!! (or is that Tiggers!!!)

Roar

TTFN

[leighbaker.co.uk]

Final Erratum on its way!

[QAD]

Final Erratum on its way!
Thanks Leigh,
Much appreciated
Huw

[wez.k]

May I add my congrats to Leigh for a great Test Piece. Notwithstanding the latest Errata, I have a couple of queries which I would be grateful if Leigh could shed some light on.
1. 1st mvt letter D - Should the whip stop after two bars as written or keep going with the S.D. to E?
2. 2nd mvt bar 49/50 - Should the Sop Troms and S.D. have the same accents as the Cts and Hns?
Wes. Kendrick - MD Amington

[jenjohn]

:clap: :clap: Final Erratum on its way!

[rgdunning]

Any new of the Final Erratum???? last few rehearsals are upon us 6 days to go befor its time to ROAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :)

[007ish]

We recieved the irrata last night :clap: , dont know where it came from :oops: but it was official:) . Better late than never but this one cut it fine. hope you've recieved your copy...or do I:confused:

[mjwarman]

We recieved the irrata last night :clap: , dont know where it came from :oops: but it was official:) . Better late than never but this one cut it fine. hope you've recieved your copy...or do I?

We didn't get an errata!!! Where did it come from, have we been cheated!! :p We had our last official rehearsal last night as well, :(

[jenjohn]

Thanks for the info we only just received ours too! as you say better late than never. see you in Harrogate!! :)

[dyl]

Please continue all contest discussion here: http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=27146