Official tMP West of England Regional 2007 thread

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THE WEST OF ENGLAND REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

Saturday 10th and Sunday 11th March, 2007

Riviera International Conference Centre, Torquay

With grateful thanks to Brian Elliott

Section : Championship
Date : Sunday 11th March
Test Piece : Isaiah 40 (Robert Redhead)
Venue : The Forum
Adjudicators : David Hirst & Barry Thompson
Play Commences : 3pm (not before) – Comfort Break (if required) after band number 6
Contest Controller : Brian Eggleton

Participating Bands:

1. Aldbourne : Melvin White
2. Bournemouth Concert Brass : Nigel Taken
3. Camborne : Frank Renton
4. Lydbrook : David Williams
5. Mount Charles : Andrew Duncan
6. PolySteel : Philip Harper
7. Poole Borough : Phil Randell
8. Sherborne Town : Paul Cosh
9. St Austell Town : David Loukes
10. SWT Woodfalls : Dr Nicholas Childs
11. Yeovil Town : David Barringer


Section : First
Date : Saturday 10th March
Test Piece : Sinfonietta for Brass Band, ‘The Wayfarer’ (Eric Ball)
Venue : The Forum
Adjudicators : David Hirst & Barry Thompson
Play commences 3.30pm (not before) - Comfort Break (if required) after band number 7
Contest Controller : Mike James



Participating Bands:


1. Bodmin : Steve Sykes
2. Chalford : Steve Tubb
3. Cinderford : Dave Lea
4. Forest of Dean Brass : Jackie Gwynne
5. Helston Town : John Hitchens
6. Hyde : Jonathan Camps
7. Lympstone South West Telecoms : Charles Fleming
8. Otterbourne Brass : Lt Col Chris Davis OBE
9. Solent Concert : Wesley Garner
10. St Dennis : Brian Minear
11. St Keverne : Stuart Chappel
12. Swindon Pegasus Brass : Steve Armstrong-Watkins
13. Woodfalls Concert Brass : Steve Dunster

Section : Second
Date : Sunday 11th March
Test Piece : Carnival (Helen Perkin)
Venue : The Forum
Adjudicators : Lloyd Landry & Stephen Tighe
Play commences 10.00am – Comfort Break after band number 7
Controller : Trevor Bedding


Participating Bands:


1. Bristol East : Roy Curran
2. Filton Concert Brass : Bryn James
3. Gillingham Imperial Silver : Alan McRae
4. Lydmet Lydney :
5. Michelmersh Silver : Melvin White
6. Ocean Brass : Nicholas Grace
7. Phoenix Brass (Crewkerne) : Paul Slator
8. Portishead Town : Ian Holmes
9. Shrewton Silver : Michael Dunford
10. Soundhouse Brass : Mike Faro
11. South Molton Town : Terry Treherne
12. St Stythians : Derek Johnston
13. Torbay Brass : T Naughton

Section: Third
Date : Saturday 10th March
Test Piece : Prelude & Jubilate (Darrol Barry)
Venue : The Forum
Adjudicators David Hirst & Barry Thompson
Play commences : 10.00am – Comfort break after band number 8
Controller: Ray Kingdon


Participating Bands:

1. A W Parker (Drybrook) : Kevin White
2. Bath Spa : Dave Walker
3. Bugle : David Pope
4. Camborne “B” : Alan Pope
5. Corsham : M Perry
6. Denmead Brass : John Hill
7. Downton : Roland Wright
8. Heyl Town : Derek Johnstone
9. Launceston Town : Dave Dobson
10. Pillowell Silver : Rhrodri Griffiths
11. St Pinnock : Simon Dobson
12. Totnes : Ian Wilkinson
13. Verwood Concert Brass : David Johnson
14. Weston-Super-Mare Brass : Peter Nutt
15. Wotton & District Silver : Dennis Grant

Section : Fourth
Date : Saturday 10th March
Test Piece : The Seasons, Suite for Brass Band (Philip Wilby)
Venue : The Arena
Adjudicators : Lloyd Landry & Stephen Tighe
Play commences 10.30am – Comfort breaks after band numbers 6 and 16
Controller: Brian Eggleton

Participating Bands :

1. Bideford Town : Gary Taylor
2. Bratton Silver : Mike Winter
3. Bream Silver : Huw Cole
4. Brunel Brass : John Winterflood
5. Chalford Academy Brass : Steve Tubb
6. Cheltenham Silver : John Button
7. Gosport Silver : Derek Jones
8. Hatherleigh Silver : Adrian Edwards
9. Marshfield : Peter Cornford
10. Nailsworth Silver : Wesley Thomas
11. New Forest Brass : Ian Luxford
12. Okehampton Excelsior Silver : Des Law
13. Pendennis Brass (Falmouth) : Steve Thomas
14. Shanklin Town Brass (IoW) : Malcolm Lewis
15. Sidmouth Town : Adrian Harvey
16. St Breward Silver
17. Swindon Brass : Francis Cowley
18. Teskesbury Town : Nigel Morgan
19. Torrington Silver : T R J Hutchings
20. Watchet Royal British Legion : David Tilling
21. Weymouth Concert Brass : Adam Glynn
22. Wilton and District Youth : Dennis Chalk BEM
23. Wincanton Silver : Joanne Sykes

[TheMusicMan]

Just so you all know - the tMP Predictogizmatron is up and running. Get your votes in!!!

Here's the announcement : http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=26781

See link at top of page

[Alan MacRae]

As I said in the unofficial thread, I'll be conducting Gillingham in the 2nd section, if you want to add my name to the official list above.

[yoshi77]

Just to let you know, Rhrodri Griffiths will be taking Pillowell Silver this year.

[Cyndy]

Just wanted to wish all bands competing the best of luck, especialy me old butty mates in the Forest :tup :biggrin:

[yoshi77]

Thanks for your support Cyndy!

[imthemaddude]

I;d love to see it be SWT Woodfalls year this year - come on!!!!!

[Rapier]

Pity the poor old 4th section! Stuck in the Arena again, hardly worth practicing just to endure that!

[WagTheStick]

Aldbourne are being conducted by Melvin White.

Edit: Thanks! I've added it to the list. (dyl)

[WagTheStick]

[Repeated from unofficial thead]

Anyone know how to find out the current standings? :confused:

It would be good to see the league tables before to suss out who's in the relegation and promotion battles.

[meandmycornet]

Pity the poor old 4th section! Stuck in the Arena again, hardly worth practicing just to endure that!

Somebody's got to be in the rollerblading hall though haven't they? :tongue: at least there's only one section in there this year! I think WoE 4th section is always silly anyway... just for its sheer hugeness.... correct me if I'm wrong but its the biggest section of any of the regionals I think!

Should be a fun weekend in Torquay again though :D lets all hope its a nice sunny weekend!

Hope everybody is having lots of fun rehearsing their test pieces! See you all in less than two weeks! Ooooh the excitement is mounting already! :tongue:

Fi
xxxxx

[Rapier]

See you there then Fi. Come and say Hi. Although we won't do very well! Dave Tilling dropped out, so one of the band is going to conduct and I'll have been to 3 whole rehearsals!! Still, not that it matters in that hall!!

[Liz Loftus]

[Repeated from unofficial thead]

Anyone know how to find out the current standings? :confused:

It would be good to see the league tables before to suss out who's in the relegation and promotion battles.

I think its always difficult to judge the lower sections on previous standings, 12 months can make such a difference to bands espicially those going up, those going down and those that just miss out! With so few contests in the West of England and such a geographical spread, its always a tough one to predict!

We've just gone up, have a new MD and several players returned - perhaps we could be the darkhorse of the 2nd section, ;)

Pillowell are fairing well in the 3rd section and the I don't think Bodmin will be in the 1st section for long!! Oh, and of course Pollysteel are on form- could this be their year!! As usual the 4th section is going to be a lottery, but our local bands Torrington & Hatherliegh are doing ok at the moment and of course Wincanton are in there!

Have a great weekend and good luck to you all :tup

[Kiz7]

Been thinking about how the local Forest of Dean bands may fare next weekend and this is what i would class as a good result for them all:

Championship Section: Lydbrook - 6th or 7th (1st year in section)

First Section: Cinderford and Forest of Dean Brass - 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th

Second section: Lydney -top 6 placing. New conductor in about 2 weeks ago (Colin Hogg) who should really help. Done very well to get a band out for this year's contest. Contest debuts for 8 year old David Crowe on 2nd Baritone and 11 year old Samantha Ford on 2nd horn (I think) - good luck kids!

Third Section: Pillowell - 1st or 2nd. Anything other will be a disapointing result really given the ambition of the band and their conductor. Drybrook - top half of the table. First year in the section

Fourth Section: Bream - 1st or 2nd. Bream had a very successful year last year with a 4th at the area, 1st at Weston, and 5th at the finals just a few of their contest results. Will be looking to repeat that this year and gain the all important promotion back to the third section where the belong.

Any thoughts anyone? These are just my musings and are not intended to offend anyone so please take them in the spirit in which they are meant - supportive, not critical. Ta.

[jim]

Are Polysteel still classed as a forest band? Although theres non or ar only 1 who actully lives in the forest of dean?!

[Kiz7]

Are Polysteel still classed as a forest band? Although theres non or ar only 1 who actully lives in the forest of dean?!

No James, as Polysteel are based in Quedgeley in Gloucester then they aren't a Forest band which is why I didn't include you in my previous post. I would be expecting Polysteel to be going to win anyway and anything less than 1st to be a disapointment.

[meandmycornet]

We've just gone up, have a new MD and several players returned - perhaps we could be the darkhorse of the 2nd section, ;)


Don't jinx us mum! :tongue:

My Predictions are:

Championship Section: I reckon it'll be another Mount Charles V Polysteel contest, but there's the other cornish bands (particulary Camborne and St Austell) who could be in without a shout, who knows? Cornwall 1,2,3?

1st Section: I'm thinking Bodmin are going to do well, can't see them being in this section very well, although could it be St Keverne's year? Always appear to be a very consistant band, again, another cornish dominated section! However I'd love to see my friends at Lympstone have a repeat of last year, good luck Charlie and the gang!

2nd Section: Portishead appear to be the favourites on the predictogizmatron at the moment, possible because they start the day in the dubious position of top of the table, possibly the least cornish dominated section, but I think Stithians are a good band and also do consistantly well. I'll echo what mother said and say that 2006 and 2007 so far have been extremely positive for South Molton, our promotion, a handful of 1st places, a fine MD on board and everyone working hard, so you never know, but obviously 2nd section is a totally different kettle of fish to the 3rd section, we'll just have to wait and see!

3rd Section: I reckon this is going to be Cornwall V The Forest! Camborne 'B' have been on tremendous form and always seem to produce the goods on the day, nice set of results from the last few years, also need to look out for Pillowell, they've been doing nicely recently too. I also think St Pinnock could be in with a shout!

4th Section: I don't agree that this section is a lottery, yes its a huge field, but I think it'll be pretty obvious that there are good 4th section bands and ropey 4th section bands! I think it between Wincanton and Pendennis, both doing well!

Here endeth Fi's very ropey predictions! Good Luck everybody! Particularly Lympstone and of course South Molton!

[TheMusicMan]

So - have you all added your predictions to the tMP Predictogizmatron ? :)

[meandmycornet]

Yes! Well... I've done my predictions for WoE, just starting my predictions for all the other regionals, its going to take a looooooong time! :tongue:

[TheMusicMan]

Yes! Well... I've done my predictions for WoE, just starting my predictions for all the other regionals, its going to take a looooooong time! :tongue:Hint....


shhhh....



shhhhhhhhh......


Wales Champ Section...... 1st Place.......






Cory ;)




There.... don't say I never do anything for ya OK.... :)

PS: also Newbridge 1st in 2nd section by a mile!!

[jim]

I would be expecting Polysteel to be going to win anyway and anything less than 1st to be a disapointment.


Thanks for the vote of confidance but you never no down there!!

[Big Bass Boy]

Good luck to my friends at Bournemouth to repeat 2005 success.

Pete Arden
BBb Bass EYMS

[davethehorny]

My own musings for what it is worth

Championship Section -Tip - Mount Charles but would be nice to see Polysteel back on top.

Lydbrook - might struggle in their first year - bottom half but lets hope for better

First Section - Tip - St Keverne

Cinderford - Top three
Forest of Dean Brass - Top half

Second Second Section - Tip Portishead - difficult to see them being beaten

Lydmet Lydney - Great to see them back but could be a struggle

Third Section - Tip - Heyl Town

Pillowell - Must improve on last year - top six
A W Parker (Drybrook) - Don't wish to comment on own chances - but not just going to make up the numbers

Fourth Section - Tip - Bream Silver or Wincanton two classy bands

Cheltenham Town - deserved better in 2006 - mid table
Tewkesbury Town - top ten

Purely personal thoughts - no offence intended - best of luck to all bands taking part.

[Kiz7]

My own musings for what it is worth

Championship Section -Tip - Mount Charles but would be nice to see Polysteel back on top.

Lydbrook - might struggle in their first year - bottom half but lets hope for better

First Section - Tip - St Keverne

Cinderford - Top three
Forest of Dean Brass - Top half

Second Second Section - Tip Portishead - difficult to see them being beaten

Lydmet Lydney - Great to see them back but could be a struggle

Third Section - Tip - Heyl Town

Pillowell - Must improve on last year - top six
A W Parker (Drybrook) - Don't wish to comment on own chances - but not just going to make up the numbers

Fourth Section - Tip - Bream Silver or Wincanton two classy bands

Cheltenham Town - deserved better in 2006 - mid table
Tewkesbury Town - top ten

Purely personal thoughts - no offence intended - best of luck to all bands taking part.

Some good tips there Dave. Would imagine they are the favourites in all sections. Will be interesting to see what 4barsrest predict.

[Cyndy]

My own musings for what it is worth

Championship Section -Tip - Mount Charles but would be nice to see Polysteel back on top.

Lydbrook - might struggle in their first year - bottom half but lets hope for better

First Section - Tip - St Keverne

Cinderford - Top three
Forest of Dean Brass - Top half

Second Second Section - Tip Portishead - difficult to see them being beaten

Lydmet Lydney - Great to see them back but could be a struggle

Third Section - Tip - Heyl Town

Pillowell - Must improve on last year - top six
A W Parker (Drybrook) - Don't wish to comment on own chances - but not just going to make up the numbers

Fourth Section - Tip - Bream Silver or Wincanton two classy bands

Cheltenham Town - deserved better in 2006 - mid table
Tewkesbury Town - top ten

Purely personal thoughts - no offence intended - best of luck to all bands taking part.

Thanks for the support Dave;) at least we have a full band this year, look forward to seing you down there:tup

[BassBlaster]

Well I have put my predictions for all the areas in.
Watch out for Chalford in the 1st section, a good long term record, plus Pontins Champions.
I don`t think Bodmin will win it, could be wrong, Cinderford maybe?.
I want Tewskebury to win the 4th section, they have always been a very friendly band when I have met them.
3rd Section, Drybrook. Good luck Wotton.
I hope Lydney do well in the 2nd, welcombe back.
As for me, I will watch all the happenings on the `puter.
Ah I remember the Colston and Victoria, going down christmas steps to the joke shop, jumpers for goal posts, sun life winning.
Oh and Championship, I really think it`s about time Polysteel won, don`t you?.

[jim]

I would like to see bream win the 4th section they have undoubtly a fine band and are far beter than 4th section suggests but when there 22 or so bands in the line up it makes me wonder of somtimes performancses get forgoten. Anyway would be nice to see them do well as I have a feiw mates in Bream!

[BassBlaster]

Yep, Bream did well at the GBBA, beat wotton a section above I believe, but like you say 22 bands in a bad hall!!!!!, anything could happen.

[bassbone]

Good luck to my friends at Bournemouth to repeat 2005 success.

Pete Arden
BBb Bass EYMS

Cheers Pete.

As someone else said - you never know down there!

[GingerMaestro]

Well I have put my predictions for all the areas in.
Watch out for Chalford in the 1st section, a good long term record, plus Pontins Champions.
I don`t think Bodmin will win it, could be wrong, Cinderford maybe?.
I want Tewskebury to win the 4th section:pig , they have always been a very friendly band when I have met them.
3rd Section, Drybrook. Good luck Wotton.
I hope Lydney do well in the 2nd, welcombe back.
As for me, I will watch all the happenings on the `puter.
Ah I remember the Colston and Victoria, going down christmas steps to the joke shop, jumpers for goal posts, sun life winning.
Oh and Championship, I really think it`s about time Polysteel won, don`t you?.

Alright Gareth

Have you been on the Special Brew again.

4th Section Bream, Sidmouth or maybe the unknown quantity of Brunel Brass

[BassBlaster]

Alright Gareth

Have you been on the Special Brew again.

4th Section Bream, Sidmouth or maybe the unknown quantity of Brunel Brass

Yes, special brew mate, In my actual predictions I chose Bream to win, but I would like Tewkesbury to win it, as someone once bought me a drink from that band, and it wasn`t you......

[Rapier]

With the number of bands in the section, the awful hall they are playing in and the number of perceived errors in the piece, you'd probably stand a better chance of picking the Lottery numbers. :) In fact that would be a fairer way of picking the winners, just hold a lottery. The first 3 bands drawn have to play the piece and those are judged. The rest get to go to the bar/home early. Sorted.:D

[GingerMaestro]

Yes, special brew mate, In my actual predictions I chose Bream to win, but I would like Tewkesbury to win it, as someone once bought me a drink from that band, and it wasn`t you......

No sue bought you a drink but with my money:biggrin:

That said I am suprised you can remember:biggrin:

Anyway Hurry up and get playing again and join us in a proper area in the Midlands:biggrin:

[meandmycornet]

With the number of bands in the section, the awful hall they are playing in and the number of perceived errors in the piece, you'd probably stand a better chance of picking the Lottery numbers. :) In fact that would be a fairer way of picking the winners, just hold a lottery. The first 3 bands drawn have to play the piece and those are judged. The rest get to go to the bar/home early. Sorted.:D

I'm not sure its quite the 'Lottery' everyone says its going to be, there'll be good bands and down right rubbish bands, there's bound to be, the adjudicators will whittle it down to the very best performances, just like they would in any other section!

[Cyndy]

I'm not sure its quite the 'Lottery' everyone says its going to be, there'll be good bands and down right rubbish bands, there's bound to be, the adjudicators will whittle it down to the very best performances, just like they would in any other section!

You are right there will be some good bands, but to say some bands are rubbish is very rude, don't you realise that most of the bands in the 4th section have very young and a lot of new more mature players (some are parents supporting their kids) a lot of the bands go to gain experience, getting a good place is a bonus!
I will be going this year with one of these bands(and by your remarks they are rubbish as last year they came last).
I also know that some of the kids from our and other bands come on hear and read these posts, so please as my mum used to say "if you can't say anything nice shut up".

[meandmycornet]

You are right there will be some good bands, but to say some bands are rubbish is very rude, don't you realise that most of the bands in the 4th section have very young and a lot of new more mature players (some are parents supporting their kids) a lot of the bands go to gain experience, getting a good place is a bonus!
I will be going this year with one of these bands(and by your remarks they are rubbish as last year they came last).
I also know that some of the kids from our and other bands come on hear and read these posts, so please as my mum used to say "if you can't say anything nice shut up".

Hmmm maybe 'rubbish' was the wrong term to use.... there are good and 'not so good' bands in all sections, not just the 4th section, and not just in WoE, I wasn't being specific to any band when I said it, and yes, I do realise that quite a number of 4th section bands are made up of young and mature players, but then aren't most lower section bands? My band are still classed as lower section being in the 2nd section and we're made up of mostly mature players.... there's only one player under 20 and its not me anymore! Anyway, I apologise if I offended you, it wasn't meant in that way at all.... just probably that its not always easy to explain exactly what you mean when you're writing it down.

[Cyndy]

Thank you,I know you did'nt mean to offend, no hard feelings and good luck in torquay.

[meandmycornet]

Good Luck to Cheltenham too! :D I expect I'll see you in the bar.... I'm in Torquay the whole weekend again this year! :D

Oooh by the way? Anybody else staying over and going out Sunday night in Torquay?

[DaveR]

I'm hoping to "pop-down" for a listen on the Saturday. Good luck to every one playing!

[PeterBale]

Further to the previous discussions, here's a link to the announcement about the merger of Bristol East and Kingswood (Bristol) Bands:

http://4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=5147

They are competing in the Areas as Bristol East, with the merger officially taking place on 1st April.

[tam-tam2]

My first West of England Areas!! I'm competing in the First Section and that should be a very interesting contest to follow. I don't really know what many of the bands are like in this area so am looking forward to listening to the standard of the lower sections.

Will be there both days, so see you there!! Have busy week next week though, rehearsals, parents evenings and so on so will probably be the one asleep at the back of the hall or having a drink to wake me up!!:p

[Liz Courts]

The bands I would like to see doing well are:

Championship:
Camborne - a great band filled with lovely people, who certainly liven up the bar! Also Mount Charles and St Austell...

First:
Lympstone obviously!! But failing that, I'll be cheering on Helston.

Second:
The friendliest band you will EVER meet - St Stythians! And because they're taking me to Malta in the summer. :biggrin: Also South Molton - because Fi would kill me if I didn't mention them! :p

Third:
All the Cornish ones...especially Camborne B.

Fourth:
Pendennis - because they are waaaaay too good to be in the fourth section, and were sooooo unlucky last year to just miss out on qualifying (fifth out of what seemed like hundreds from a number one draw!).

Good luck to all bands taking part!

[meandmycornet]

Second:
The friendliest band you will EVER meet - St Stythians! And because they're taking me to Malta in the summer. :biggrin: Also South Molton - because Fi would kill me if I didn't mention them! :p



Now you see, there'd be a few problems if I were to kill you Liz....

1. I wouldn't actually be able to get to Torquay....
2. I'd get even more lost if I was on my own, that I would when i'm with you
3. Orchestra would be boring

BUT... however.... if I did kill you.... I would actually be definately be able to move into anchor house in September!

Hmmm but I don't think I will... at least not before the area anyway!
I think your life is safe in my hands! :tongue:
oh and I hope you've got your big book of maps... we're going to get lost!

Fi
xxxxxxxx

[Liz Loftus]

oh and I hope you've got your big book of maps... we're going to get lost!

The name of the hotel would be useful as well :tup

[meandmycornet]

Liz knows it :tongue: I just looked at the pictures and the prices when we were booking :D

[Liz Courts]

oh and I hope you've got your big book of maps... we're going to get lost!

The name of the hotel would be useful as well :tup

Trusting that there are no scary stalkers on tMP...Buckingham Lodge

http://www.information-britain.co.uk/showPlace.cfm?Place_ID=3247

And we won't get lost! :rolleyes:

[DaveR]

Trusting that there are no scary stalkers on tMP...Buckingham Lodge

So now all us scary stalkers know! :tongue: Mwahahahaha :tongue:

[samaynsley]

I always lose my password for this thing...

The bands I would like to see doing well are:

Second:
The friendliest band you will EVER meet - St Stythians! And because they're taking me to Malta in the summer. :biggrin: Also South Molton - because Fi would kill me if I didn't mention them! :p

Good luck to all bands taking part!


Cheers! For the first ever time at a contest I will actually be listening to bands other than my own, so I'll be rooting for you guys in the first section!

As for our section, Carnival is an absolute bore and I can't wait to get it out of the way!

[meandmycornet]

So now all us scary stalkers know! :tongue: Mwahahahaha :tongue:

I knew you'd be the scary stalker! As soon as I saw Liz's post! I just knew it would be you! Stay away from our hotel! :tongue:

Liiiz are you SURE we won't get lost? One of my housemates boyfriends lives near Torquay so she tried to explain to me how to get there.... I got lost and confused after she said something about a roundabout :tongue: she did ask me a really silly question though .... 'do you know how to get out of Exmouth?' ... yes thank you I do... its Taunton we can't get out of isn't it Liz?! :tongue:

[Bandito]

Been hidin' out in de badlands dees pas' mon's where I leesen to un banda fantastica. Me predictin' mucho surprise en de seccion segundo. Dees band goin' to make mucho problema for bigshots. If you 'ear gunfire in cuidad Torquay dees meen dey won!

[DaveR]

I knew you'd be the scary stalker! As soon as I saw Liz's post! I just knew it would be you! Stay away from our hotel! :tongue:



Well, that's not the normal West Country welcome I've got used to and look forward to! :tongue: Thought you'd at least offer me a cup of tea. :( It's hard, cold, thirsty work being a scary stalker you know! :tongue:

What's the parking like at the Riviera Centre? I've been there once when I played at the Nationals, but I was on a band coach so didn't pay much attention!

[Liz Loftus]

Well, that's not the normal West Country welcome I've got used to and look forward to! :tongue: Thought you'd at least offer me a cup of tea. :( It's hard, cold, thirsty work being a scary stalker you know! :tongue:

What's the parking like at the Riviera Centre? I've been there once when I played at the Nationals, but I was on a band coach so didn't pay much attention!

Parking is quite expensive and limited at the Riviera Centre - there are lots of back streets where you can park for free! ie quite near the hotel quoted:biggrin: but don't tell them I told you:eek: those two are quite scary when they're together!!

Do you know, we were told we couldn't stay at the same hotel? Can't think why??:confused:

hope to see you there!

[DaveR]

Thanks Liz - back streets it is then! :)

[meandmycornet]

Been hidin' out in de badlands dees pas' mon's where I leesen to un banda fantastica. Me predictin' mucho surprise en de seccion segundo. Dees band goin' to make mucho problema for bigshots. If you 'ear gunfire in cuidad Torquay dees meen dey won!

Hmm let me try and translate into english....

I've been hiding out in the badland the past few months, wher've listened to a fantastic band. My prediction is there will be much suprise in the second section. This band is going to make lots of problems for the bigshots. If you hear gunfire in (haven't got a clue what cuidad is :confused: ) Torquay that will mean they've won!

Right Mr Mexian Fajita man/woman/thing, what are you talking about? which band is this? where are the badlands? and whats this about gunshots? I'm confused and scared! Please, please, please explain!

Oh and Dave.... any clues as to what you look like? :tongue: I think we might look a bit weird asking every man in the rivera centre if he is DaveR! :tongue:

[DaveR]

Oh and Dave.... any clues as to what you look like? :tongue: I think we might look a bit weird asking every man in the rivera centre if he is DaveR! :tongue:

You would, wouldn't you? :tongue:

I look like a cross between Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom and Brad Pitt, although some less charitable people might say I look more like Shrek. Either way, I should be quite easy to spot! :tongue: :biggrin:

[meandmycornet]

Orlando Bloom eh? I have him all over my walls at uni! :tongue: and on my mobile phone!

I once got asked if I was Princess Fiona from shrek when I was on placement, but then the little angel said I didn't have sticky outey ears so I couldn't be! :tongue:

So we're looking for a green orlando bloom lookalike with sticky outey ears, long straggly hair, a funny hat and a nice tummy? Hmmm well west of england folk are odd so this could be a challenge!

[DaveR]

So we're looking for a green orlando bloom lookalike with sticky outey ears, long straggly hair, a funny hat and a nice tummy?

Yes, that's me. Uncanny description. Told you I should be quite easy to spot! :tongue: Try the bar as the first place to look!

[meandmycornet]

Ok, shall we make this our first port of call on saturday morning? :tongue:

and there was me thinking you were being a boc and going to listen to bands!! :tongue:

I'm not allowed to drink on the Saturday apparently (because my section is on Sunday Morning!).... but i'm sure nobody will spot my 'magic water'! :D

[Liz Loftus]

Ok, shall we make this our first port of call on saturday morning? :tongue:

and there was me thinking you were being a boc and going to listen to bands!! :tongue:

I'm not allowed to drink on the Saturday apparently (because my section is on Sunday Morning!).... but i'm sure nobody will spot my 'magic water'! :D

I will be watching & sampling!!!;)

[Bandito]

Hmm let me try and translate into english....

I've been hiding out in the badland the past few months, wher've listened to a fantastic band. My prediction is there will be much suprise in the second section. This band is going to make lots of problems for the bigshots. If you hear gunfire in (haven't got a clue what cuidad is :confused: ) Torquay that will mean they've won!

Right Mr Mexian Fajita man/woman/thing, what are you talking about? which band is this? where are the badlands? and whats this about gunshots? I'm confused and scared! Please, please, please explain!

Oh and Dave.... any clues as to what you look like? :tongue: I think we might look a bit weird asking every man in the rivera centre if he is DaveR! :tongue:

I t'ink ju mus' sho som respec'. El Bandito he no take too kindly to ju disrespectin' de Nacional Cocina de Mexico. Dees badlands dey is as far as ju can get from de pipples in de sur oeste de England. Dees banda, 'e is mucho famoso oeste de la Rio Avon. 'e com from pocos familia but 'e 'ave many hermanos.

[bennem]

Are City of Bristol competing in the championship section this year? I can't see their name on the list.

[Kiz7]

I t'ink ju mus' sho som respec'. El Bandito he no take too kindly to ju disrespectin' de Nacional Cocina de Mexico. Dees badlands dey is as far as ju can get from de pipples in de sur oeste de England. Dees banda, 'e is mucho famoso oeste de la Rio Avon. 'e com from pocos familia but 'e 'ave many hermanos.

and I thought reading text speak was tedious!
Any chance you might put your thoughts in to proper english bandito? It's too much like hard work trying to work out what you are saying.

[Liz Courts]

Liiiz are you SURE we won't get lost?

Without a doubt!!! Dave took me on a tour of Torquay last night - I now know all the best places to go! :biggrin: However, "Sounds of Brass" was on the radio upon entering Torquay, so my full concentration on the road was lost...! :redface:

[Keith Lewis]

Are City of Bristol competing in the championship section this year? I can't see their name on the list.


Unfortunately City of Bristol are not competing at the area.

Good luck to all of the bands, especially Marshfield who are competing for the first time at the area's for 10 years. I was part of the band that last took to the stage at the Students Uni Bristol 10 years ago, playing A New Buckingham Suite ( I didn't know their was an old one!) and winning the contest for about 30 seconds!! Well done to Barney and all at Marshfield for keping things going. I'm sure the best will be flowing at the Wheel in celebration:clap:

[meandmycornet]

Without a doubt!!! Dave took me on a tour of Torquay last night - I now know all the best places to go! :biggrin: However, "Sounds of Brass" was on the radio upon entering Torquay, so my full concentration on the road was lost...! :redface:

Were you singing along and dancing again Liz? :tongue: and I'm sure you were listening to everything Dave was saying :tongue: Oh dear oh dear! I still have a horrible feeling about all this! So long as we get there by 1.30pm we'll be fine :D we've given ourselves is it 4 hours for our 45 minute journey? we'll do it I'm sure!

4 days and a bit to go!

[GingerMaestro]

My Prediction for the 4th Section would be


1. Bream Silver
2. Wincanton Silver
3. Sidmouth
4. Brunel Brass
5. Swindon Brass
6. Bratton Silver
7. Pendennis
8. Marshfield
9. Torrington Silver
10. Cheltenham Silver
11. Chalford Academy
12 Tewkesbury
13 St Breward Silver
14. Shanklin
15. Gosport
16. Bideford
17. Hatherleigh
18. Weymouth
19. New Forest
20. Wilton and District
21. Nailsworth
22. Watchet
23. Okehampton

Good luck to you all

[Liz Courts]

Were you singing along and dancing again Liz? :tongue:

Yes.

and I'm sure you were listening to everything Dave was saying :tongue:

Of course.

Oh dear oh dear! I still have a horrible feeling about all this!

Me too...

So long as we get there by 1.30pm we'll be fine :D we've given ourselves is it 4 hours for our 45 minute journey? !

We need to be there by 12.00pm actually - I have a rehearsal. The down beat will be at 12.00pm precisely.

we'll do it I'm sure! !

We'll have to.

4 days and a bit to go!

3 days and more than a bit to go now!! :biggrin:

[ophicliede]

Thank you Martin for your for your 4th section prediction. I was hoping for a slightly higher place for Brunel Brass, but it's difficult to gauge not having competed in the 4th section before. We have a few handy adult players mixed with the youngsters. Watch out for the Soprano player he's a bit of a 'dark horse'. Let's hope its a good competition and fair adjudication.

[Naval Nick]

Good luck to Camborne and Helston this weekend. Bring the Trophy home!!!

[Vickitorious]

Oh no!!

We've been touched by the 4br curse!! :( 10th it is then!:(

[Sopmaestro]

No I think I was touched by the 4bars rest curse for the whole band Vicky but I should be along to listen tommorrow and be playing by Thursday (if I can sit down for 2 hours by then) !

I hear the piece is going extremely well :o)

[madandcrazytromboneguy]

john you dont know for sure that cory will win the wales champ, you could say the same about reg vardy in the north england champ, it aint won till its been played and results given out, anything can happen!

topic in hand though, GO SHANKLIN! :D

you guys never seem to post on tmp are any of you on this site?, if so let everyone know how your doing on this thread, isle of mans got 1 or 2 bands competing and so its great the isle of wight has aswell!

everyone if you ever go on holiday to the isle of wight get in touch with shanklin band, they are very welcoming and they let me play in a reehearsal and a concert when i last went down there, i stayed in the nearby town of sandown, definately worth a visit though!

so with me reckoning that shanklin will win the 4th section thats about all the west of england knowledge i have, GOOD LUCK ISLANDERS! :D

[Vickitorious]

Wheyyyy!!!

You'll have to take 5 minute gaps every now and then.. just go for a walk! :biggrin:

Twill be good to see you back again!! :biggrin: What a champ! :clap: :biggrin:

See you tonight! xx

[meandmycornet]

Yes. Of course.Me too... We need to be there by 12.00pm actually - I have a rehearsal. The down beat will be at 12.00pm precisely. We'll have to. 3 days and more than a bit to go now!! :biggrin:

Ermmm you aren't giving me much confidence Liz! Maybe we should leave a bit earlier? ... say Friday tea time? :tongue: I'm so scared! Oh and its 2 and a big bit days to go now! Not long at all! I'm excited!! :D

[alks]

Good luck to all of the bands, especially Marshfield who are competing for the first time at the area's for 10 years. I was part of the band that last took to the stage at the Students Uni Bristol 10 years ago, playing A New Buckingham Suite ( I didn't know their was an old one!) and winning the contest for about 30 seconds!! Well done to Barney and all at Marshfield for keping things going. I'm sure the best will be flowing at the Wheel in celebration:clap: [/QUOTE]

Thanks, we have been practicinbg hard at marshfield. Sadly both our percussion players pulled out with only 2 weeks notice. So we had to put our sop player on perc and sop at the same time. Quite an amazing feat really. Hope it works out.
Im also just out of hospital and feelling a bit dodgy but i really dont want to miss it.

good luck to all the bands.

alks

[davethehorny]

So we had to put our sop player on perc and sop at the same time. Quite an amazing feat really. Hope it works out.


This quote had me reaching for the rule book - can a brass player double as a percussionist? or could a brass player play more than one instrument during the same piece (eg Cornet and Horn) to cover missing parts?

I had a feeling that this was not allowed but cannot find the detail in the rule book. Answers anyone?

[Lawrencediana]

This quote had me reaching for the rule book - can a brass player double as a percussionist? or could a brass player play more than one instrument during the same piece (eg Cornet and Horn) to cover missing parts?

I had a feeling that this was not allowed but cannot find the detail in the rule book. Answers anyone?

I don't think its a problem, I can remember bass players playing the tam tam part in Checkmate a few years ago on the stage at the Albert Hall.

[DaveR]

This quote had me reaching for the rule book - can a brass player double as a percussionist? or could a brass player play more than one instrument during the same piece (eg Cornet and Horn) to cover missing parts?

I had a feeling that this was not allowed but cannot find the detail in the rule book. Answers anyone?

It's perfectly OK. You can't have a brass player playing more than one brass instrument though.

[Veri]

It's perfectly OK. You can't have a brass player playing more than one brass instrument though.

Once, when I was playing with Lympstone, we didan Entertainment contest with just one percussionist. We played Be A Clown, which has quite a bit of percussion in it I recall, and we spread the percussion around the band, and ended up with a prize for the best percussion section.

(Sorry, that's very off topic, but while I'm thinking of Lympstone - good luck especially to them!)

[Alan MacRae]

Last post before Torquay. Off to band practice tonight very soon and then straight to Torquay. Good luck to all bands, and maybe see a few of you tomorrow/sunday at the Riviera.

[Robin Norman]

My first trip to the West of England areas this weekend as I'm helping Polysteel out on Solo Eb Bass, Tom is stuck at a college event he can't get out of.

Just want to thank the band for asking me to 'fill in', a great bunch of people conducted by a very musical conductor (not sure there was such a thing ;) ). I'm looking forward to playing my part (literally) in what will hopefully be a successful weekend.

Perhaps meet some of you down on the Riviera !!

C'mon Polysteel.

[QAD]

My Prediction for the 4th Section would be


1. Bream Silver
2. Wincanton Silver
3. Sidmouth
4. Brunel Brass
5. Swindon Brass
6. Bratton Silver
7. Pendennis
8. Marshfield
9. Torrington Silver
10. Cheltenham Silver
11. Chalford Academy
12 Tewkesbury
13 St Breward Silver
14. Shanklin
15. Gosport
16. Bideford
17. Hatherleigh
18. Weymouth
19. New Forest
20. Wilton and District
21. Nailsworth
22. Watchet
23. Okehampton

Good luck to you all
Thanks Ginger Meastro,
Have a carnival in the midlands.

Good luck to all the bands esp. out local friends Forest Brass, Lydbrook, Pillowell, and Drybrook etc.

[Kiz7]

heard a bit of Lydney's rehearsal last night and all is sounding well. Colin Hogg looks to have done a great job in his short time with the band. Good luck to the 2 young training band debutants - Samantha Ford on 2nd horn and David Crowe on 2nd Baritone. Rhiannon says have a blast! (only in the loud bits of course!)

K and Ranny

[Kerwintootle]

Good luck to the lads and lasses at Mount Charles

[Di]

First-half draw for West of England : Fourth Section

1 Brunel Brass : John Winterflood
2 Wincanton Silver : Joanne Sykes
3 Wilton and District Youth : Dennis Chalk BEM
4 Sidmouth Town : Adrian Harvey
5 Weymouth Concert Brass : Adam Glynn
6 New Forest Brass : Ian Luxford
7 Teskesbury Town : Nigel Morgan
8 Pendennis Brass (Falmouth) : Steve Thomas
9 Shanklin Town Brass (IoW) : Malcolm Lewis
10 Gosport Silver : Derek Jones

Bideford Town : Gary Taylor
Bratton Silver : Mike Winter
Bream Silver : Huw Cole
Chalford Academy Brass : Steve Tubb
Cheltenham Silver : John Button
Hatherleigh Silver : Adrian Edwards
Marshfield : Peter Cornford
Nailsworth Silver : Wesley Thomas - Withdrawn
Okehampton Excelsior Silver : Des Law
St Breward Silver
Swindon Brass : Francis Cowley
Torrington Silver : T R J Hutchings
Watchet Royal British Legion : David Tilling

[Di]

First-half draw for West of England : Third Section

1 Downton : Roland Wright
2 Heyl Town : Derek Johnstone
3 Weston-Super-Mare Brass : Peter Nutt
4 Totnes : Ian Wilkinson
5 Bugle : David Pope
6 Wotton & District Silver : Dennis Grant
7 Verwood Concert Brass : David Johnson

A W Parker (Drybrook) : Kevin White
Bath Spa : Dave Walker
Camborne “B” : Alan Pope
Corsham : M Perry
Denmead Brass : John Hill
Launceston Town : Dave Dobson
Pillowell Silver : Rhrodri Griffiths
St Pinnock : Simon Dobson

[BassBlaster]

Well done Wotton, 2nd, brilliant. My Dad just rang up, he`s talking gibberish already, to many drinks to soon.

[GingerMaestro]

Well done Wotton, 2nd, brilliant. My Dad just rang up, he`s talking gibberish already, to many drinks to soon.

era era

Well done to Wotton What a cracking result for them

[vcbjet]

Well done to Verwood for coming 4th in the 3rd Section - First time at that level since 1999!! An excellent result!

[tubbytuba]

Camborne B take the 3rd section at Torquay by a clear 2 points Well done to all its been a few weeks of hard work but its paid off and we are well looking forward to the finals.Well done to Wooton for booking their place as well A big well done to my daughter who played her solo horn parts spot on Its down to Camborne Town to pull it off tommorow so good luck we will be driving up to cheer you on Dave Roberts/John Adams

[MRSH]

Section 4

The Arena
Adjudicators: Lloyd Landry & Stephen Tighe
Commences: 10.30am
Split Draw

Bands

1. Pendennis Brass (Falmouth), S. Thomas, 8, 179
2. St. Breward Silver, tba, 13, 178
3. Bream Silver, H. Cole, 12, 177
4. Sidmouth Town, A. Harvey, 4, 176
5. Brunel Brass, J. Winterflood, 1, 175
6. Hatherleigh Silver, A. Edwards, 18, 174
7. Cheltenham Silver, J. Button, 14, 173
8. Tewkesbury Town, N. Morgan, 7, 172
9. Weymouth Concert Brass, A. Glynn, 5, 171
10. Chalford Academy Brass, S. Tubb, 17, 170
11. Swindon Brass, F. Cowley, 15, 169
12. Shanklin Town Brass (IoW), M. Lewis, 9, 168
13. Wincanton Silver, J. Sykes, 2, 167
14. Okehampton Excelsior Silver, D. Law, 16, 166
15. Torrington Silver, T. Hutchings, 21, 165
16. Bratton Silver, M. Winter, 11, 164
17. New Forest Brass, I. Luxford, 6, 163
18. Marshfield, P. Cornford, 20, 162
19. Bideford Town, G. Taylor, 13, 161
20. Gosport Silver, D. Jones, 10, 160
21. Watchet Royal British Legion, D. Tilling, 22, 159
22. Wilton and District Youth, D. Chalk BEM, 3, 158

Nailsworth Silver, W. Thomas, w

Top 3 bands qualify

Courtesy 4barsrest (http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=5224)

[MRSH]

Section 3

The Forum
Adjudicators: David Hirst & Barry Thompson
Commences: 10.00am
Split Draw

Bands

1. Camborne ‘B’, A. Pope, 13, 184
2. Wotton & District Silver, D. Grant, 6, 182
3. Corsham, M. Perry, 15, 181
4. Verwood Concert Brass, D. Johnson, 7, 180
5. St. Pinnock, S. Dobson, 11, 179
6. Heyl Town, D. Johnstone, 2, 178
7. Denmead Brass, J. Hill, 10, 177
8. Downton, R. Wright, 1, 174
9. Bugle, D. Pope, 5, 175
10. AW Parker (Drybrook), K. White, 8, 174
11. Pillowell Silver, R. Griffiths, 12, 171
12. Weston-super-Mare Brass, P. Nutt, 3, 172
13. Bath Spa, D. Walker, 14, 170
14. Launceston Town, D. Dobson, 9, 169
15. Totnes, I. Wilkinson, 4, 168


Courtesy 4barsrest (http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=5224)

[Forest Gump]

Section 1 results in thanks to 4bars rest

The Forum
Adjudicators: David Hirst & Barry Thompson
Commences: 3.30pm

Results:

1. Hyde, J. Camps, 7, 192
2. Woodfalls Concert Brass, S. Dunster, 13, 191
3. Helston Town, J. Hitchens, 6, 190
4. St. Dennis, B. Minear, 9, 189
5. St. Keverne, S. Chappel, 3, 188
6. Otterbourne Brass, Lt. Col. C. Davis OBE, 10, 187
7. Chalford, S. Tubb, 11, 186
8. Bodmin, S. Sykes, 4, 185
9. Lympstone South West Telecoms, C. Fleming, 12, 184
10. Forest of Dean Brass, J. Gwynne, 8, 183
11. Cinderford, D. Lea, 1, 182
12. Swindon Pegasus Brass, S. Armstrong-Watkins, 5, 181
13. Solent Concert, W. Garner, 2, 180

Top 2 bands qualify

[Forest Gump]

Well done to Bream,off to the finals again, and are they going back up?
Apart from Bream it has'nt been a that good a day for the Forest bands, still good luck to Lydbrook and Lydney for tommorow

[Growler]

I think Pendennis and Sidmouth go up this year, if I can count, so you might want to take that with a pinch of salt!

Well done to everyone! Thought we had a good result playing No 1 especially as we're only 10 weeks old :)

[DaveR]

Section 1 results in thanks to 4bars rest

The Forum
Adjudicators: David Hirst & Barry Thompson
Commences: 3.30pm

Results:

1. Hyde, J. Camps, 7, 192
2. Woodfalls Concert Brass, S. Dunster, 13, 191
3. Helston Town, J. Hitchens, 6, 190
4. St. Dennis, B. Minear, 9, 189
5. St. Keverne, S. Chappel, 3, 188
6. Otterbourne Brass, Lt. Col. C. Davis OBE, 10, 187
7. Chalford, S. Tubb, 11, 186
8. Bodmin, S. Sykes, 4, 185
9. Lympstone South West Telecoms, C. Fleming, 12, 184
10. Forest of Dean Brass, J. Gwynne, 8, 183
11. Cinderford, D. Lea, 1, 182
12. Swindon Pegasus Brass, S. Armstrong-Watkins, 5, 181
13. Solent Concert, W. Garner, 2, 180

Top 2 bands qualify

That surprises me, although I only heard the first 8 bands in this section, so I therefore didn't hear several bands in the top 8. Out of the ones I did hear though, I thought Bodmin and Helston were streets ahead of the others so it is a bit of a surprise to see Bodmin in particular so far down. I did hear Hyde, and it was a good performance, so well done to them. I didn't feel it was a winning performance though, so that shows how much I know doesn't it!

[jackballard]

i play for lympstone, who came 9th woohoo and i was surprised to see that bodmin only came 8th considerin thier conductor and players in the first section. a massive well done to hayl(e) and i wish then all the best 4 harrogate.

[DaveR]

Ok, shall we make this our first port of call on saturday morning? :tongue:

and there was me thinking you were being a boc and going to listen to bands!! :tongue:

I'm not allowed to drink on the Saturday apparently (because my section is on Sunday Morning!).... but i'm sure nobody will spot my 'magic water'! :D

Well. I went into the bar first thing this morning and you weren't there! :( So seeing how you'd stood me up, I went to listen to some bands instead - I heard the first 8 in the 4th section, followed by band 13-15 in the same section after I had a little walk into town and a little lunchtime pint. Then I heard bands 1-8 in the first section. A very enjoyable day in very sunny Torquay, despite getting up at about 5.30am to get there in time to hear the first band in the 4th section! :eek: With any luck, I may get to come again next year if the dates don't clash with the London area!

I did try to find you though! I saw a girl who I thought looked a bit like your photo, so I bounced up and said "Hello, are you Fi? I'm DaveR", but it turns out she wasn't you after all. :oops: Unfortunately, the ground refused to swallow me up afterwards. :hammer

I then did see the real you shortly afterwards, but I was a bit traumatized by then and I couldn't decide if it was you or not! I later decided it was, but I only ever caught fleeting, tantalising glimpses of you in the distance after that. I trawled the building just as I was leaving but you were nowhere to be found! :(

If you're going to Bugle, we'll have to meet up there instead! I'm very sad I didn't get to talk to you today though :cry:

[ophicliede]

Well done Brunel Brass, a great achievement for a band that has only been in existance for ten weeks. With an awful draw No1 out of 22 bands and 17 youngsters in the band it was a great effort from all concerned.

[davethehorny]

Section 3

The Forum
Adjudicators: David Hirst & Barry Thompson
Commences: 10.00am
Split Draw

Bands

1. Camborne ‘B’, A. Pope, 13, 184
2. Wotton & District Silver, D. Grant, 6, 182
3. Corsham, M. Perry, 15, 181
4. Verwood Concert Brass, D. Johnson, 7, 180
5. St. Pinnock, S. Dobson, 11, 179
6. Heyl Town, D. Johnstone, 2, 178
7. Denmead Brass, J. Hill, 10, 177
8. Downton, R. Wright, 1, 174
9. Bugle, D. Pope, 5, 175
10. AW Parker (Drybrook), K. White, 8, 174
11. Pillowell Silver, R. Griffiths, 12, 171
12. Weston-super-Mare Brass, P. Nutt, 3, 172
13. Bath Spa, D. Walker, 14, 170
14. Launceston Town, D. Dobson, 9, 169
15. Totnes, I. Wilkinson, 4, 168


Courtesy 4barsrest (http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=5224)

Sorry 4barsrest but the results sheet I have says

8 AW Parker (Drybrook) 176
9 Bugle175
10 Downton 174

Sorry to be pedantic but 8th sounds better than 10th!

[MRSH]

Can anybody confirm who's conducting Aldbourne today? I know the first post says it's Melvin but there was some doubt. Just want to be sure as 4br still have "t.b.a."???

[NeilW]

Congratulations to both Hyde and Woodfalls Concert - both of whom are based within a (OK, 10 mile!) walk of where I grew up in the western New Forest.

I wish I'd known Hyde were there when I lived down there particularly in the school holidays - but in the "pre-internet" days it was difficult to find bands!!!

Also a reasonable result for Otterbourne - though probably not what they wanted - a band whose "ancestor" (Hampshire Concert) I used to play for when I was at school.

Neil.

[ophicliede]

Aldbourne were going to be directed by Melvin White who I believe is not well and they are going to have Chris King in the middle!

[sop17]

I did try to find you though! I saw a girl who I thought looked a bit like your photo, so I bounced up and said "Hello, are you Fi? I'm DaveR", but it turns out she wasn't you after all. :oops: Unfortunately, the ground refused to swallow me up afterwards. :hammer



Someone I didn't know came up to me when I was getting food, I think I just stood there looking confused when they said someone else's name :D .

[QAD]

Well done to Bream,off to the finals again, and are they going back up?
Apart from Bream it has'nt been a that good a day for the Forest bands, still good luck to Lydbrook and Lydney for tommorow

I think Pendennis and Sidmouth go up this year, if I can count, so you might want to take that with a pinch of salt!

Well done to everyone! Thought we had a good result playing No 1 especially as we're only 10 weeks old :)

Thanks forest,
Interesting one this - according my dodgy calcuations Pendennis and Sidmouth both have 16 points, and we are in third with 21 points (thanks to loveable Mr. Hurdley).
When we were demoted from the third section we had equal points with another band so three bands (or was it four) went down.
Does this mean that the bands with the two lowest points (i.e. three bands, two on 16 and one on 21) would go up?
Nothing wrong with wishful thinking...
Confused?
Huw:confused:

[DaveR]

Someone I didn't know came up to me when I was getting food, I think I just stood there looking confused when they said someone else's name :D .

Ah, I don't think that could have been me because I did it in the arena! :oops: Although, if I'd known you were there, I would of course have said hello to you!

[Forest Gump]

Thanks forest,
Interesting one this - according my dodgy calcuations Pendennis and Sidmouth both have 16 points, and we are in third with 21 points (thanks to loveable Mr. Hurdley).
When we were demoted from the third section we had equal points with another band so three bands (or was it four) went down.
Does this mean that the bands with the two lowest points (i.e. three bands, two on 16 and one on 21) would go up?
Nothing wrong with wishful thinking...
Confused?
Huw:confused:


Why does'nt the west region get a extra promotion place due to the high number off entrants, in the 4th section in Scotland they only had 6 entrants, also if it was a football league with 22,23 or 24 teams, it would be 3 teams going up.
As Huw said nothing wrong with wishful thinking..

[Cyndy]

1. Ocean Brass, N. Grace, 6, 188
2. Portishead Town, I. Holmes, 11, 186
3. Filton Concert Brass, B. James, 4, 185
4. Phoenix Brass (Crewkerne), P. Slator, 3, 184
5. Soundhouse Brass, M. Faro, 8, 183
6. Michelmersh Silver, L. Buchart, 10, 182
7. Gillingham Imperial Silver, A. McRae, 5, 181
8. Bristol East, R. Curran, 12, 181
9. Lydmet Lydney, C. Hogg, 2, 179
10. Torbay Brass, T. Naughton, 1, 178
11. Shrewton Silver, M. Dunford, 9, 177
13. South Molton Town, T. Treherne, 7, 175
12. St. Stythians, D. Johnston, 13, 176

Top 2 bands qualify

From www.4barsrest.com (http://www.4barsrest.com)

[dyl]

Why does'nt the west region get a extra promotion place due to the high number off entrants, in the 4th section in Scotland they only had 6 entrants, also if it was a football league with 22,23 or 24 teams, it would be 3 teams going up.
As Huw said nothing wrong with wishful thinking..
That can of worms is already open, and is being discussed here: http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20196

[sampsonar]

That can of worms is already open, and is being discussed here: http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20196

Isn't that a slightly different can of worms (discussing representation at National Finals (based on this year's result), as opposed to promotion/relegation (based on 3 years' average))?

Wouldn't want to confuse worms!

[sugarandspice]

I would just like to say a huge congratulations to Pendennis for winning the 4th section yesterday- i actually jumped up and down in the shopping mall i was in yesterday when i got the news!

I'm so proud! :clap: :D :) I can't wait till harrogate! I will deffinately be there supporting! :)

[steve_r]

Di just rang

1 PolySteel
2 Mount Charles
3 SWT Woodhall

Steve

[DaveR]

Well done Polysteel! :clap:

They're virtually the only band to generate me any points in the tMP predictions so far too! ;)

[super_sop]

congratulations Vicki and Polysteel.
for once i know exactly how you feel, and just how bouncy Vic is at this present moment.
Well done

[Tom-King]

Knowing Vic, she'll have put even you to shame Craigy :p

[the flugel horn]

Just played at the WOE in 4th section with Wincanton.
We played really well and had really good feedback from independent bandsman.
Shame the adjudicators didn't see it like that and placed us a joking 13th!!!

[steve_r]

Knowing Vic, she'll have put even you to shame Craigy :p

You are in Gloucestershire its not too far to Torquay - Just open the door and you'll probably be able to hear her :D

Steve (dad)

[Rapier]

Well done South Molton, not a bad result for your first excursion in your new section.

[DaveR]

Full results from 4BR:

Championship Section

The Forum
Adjudicators: David Hirst & Barry Thompson
Commences: 3.00pm

Results:

1. PolySteel, P. Harper, 3, 196
2. Mount Charles, A. Duncan, 6, 195
3. SWT Woodfalls, Dr. N. Childs, 9, 194
4. Camborne, F. Renton, 8, 193
5. Aldbourne, C. King, 4, 192
6. Bournemouth Concert Brass, N. Taken, 5, 191
7. Yeovil Town, D. Barringer, 7, 190
8. St. Austell Town, D. Loukes, 2, 189
9. Lydbrook, D. Williams, 1, 188
10. Sherborne Town, P. Cosh, 10, 187
11. Poole Borough, P. Randell, 11, 186

Top 2 bands qualify

[Kiz7]

Way to go Polysteel! and well done to lydbrook in your first year in the championship section and off the dreaded number 1 draw!

[Kiz7]

Thanks forest,
Interesting one this - according my dodgy calcuations Pendennis and Sidmouth both have 16 points, and we are in third with 21 points (thanks to loveable Mr. Hurdley).
When we were demoted from the third section we had equal points with another band so three bands (or was it four) went down.
Does this mean that the bands with the two lowest points (i.e. three bands, two on 16 and one on 21) would go up?
Nothing wrong with wishful thinking...
Confused?
Huw:confused:

I thought for promotion it was just the top 2 bands so if 2 bands have the same number of points then they will go up and the band with the next lowest number of points won't go up but will be top of that section for the following year???

[DaveR]

I think it works like this:

Band A: 5 points
Band B: 5 points
Band C: 6 points

In the above example, only bands A and B would be promoted. However, if:

Band A: 5 points
Band B: 6 points
Band C: 6 points

All three bands would be promoted in this case.

[Accidental]

Its the bands with the two lowest/highest scores that are relegated and promoted, so more than 2 bands will go down/up if there's a tie. Sorry!


Big congrats to Portishead and Aldbourne (yay Chris!!) :clap:

[Tom-King]

I think it works like this:

Band A: 5 points
Band B: 5 points
Band c: 6 points

Only bands A and B would be promoted. However:

Band A: 5 points
Band B: 6 points
Band C: 6 points

All three bands would be promoted in this case.

Thats how I understood it, the problem is that the system as it is allows the sections to change shape one year and not change back the next, can end up with some crazily small or large sections at times.

[Tom-King]

Its the bands with the two lowest/highest scores that are relegated and promoted, so more than 2 bands will go down/up if there's a tie. Sorry!

Unless one of those two which had the lowest had not turned up for 2 years, in which case the 2nd and 3rd lowest points would go down (I think).

[Accidental]

Not quite Tom - a band that fails to compete for 2 years MAY be relegated, but its at the regional comittee's discretion. Unless they end up with one of the 2 lowest points anyway.

[Forest Gump]

Is it fair that the forth section in the west has 22 compeating bands and potentially there could be even more, and the other sections have on average about 13 bands. Why is there such a large difference in the numbers. It must be very hard to pick winners from so many bands.

[Tom-King]

... and (just as importantly) who comes where lower down too?

[DaveR]

Is it fair that the forth section in the west has 22 compeating bands and potentially there could be even more, and the other sections have on average about 13 bands. Why is there such a large difference in the numbers.It must be very hard to pick winners from so many bands


L&SC has 23 this year. It has been as much as over 30 in recent years. Just the way it is. You can't split the area up into smaller chunks to make the 4th section smaller because that would make the other sections smaller too - possibly to the point of not being viable.

[Tom-King]

Not quite Tom - a band that fails to compete for 2 years MAY be relegated, but its at the regional comittee's discretion. Unless they end up with one of the 2 lowest points anyway.

Theres no way they couldn't be on one of the two lowest points anyway.

And Im pretty sure its a non-negotiable thing (playing for a band who had it happen a few years ago - back when I was a mere dep :p).

[Forest Gump]

L&SC has 23 this year. It has been as much as over 30 in recent years. Just the way it is. You can't split the area up into smaller chunks to make the 4th section smaller because that would make the other sections smaller too - possibly to the point of not being viable.

I was thinking more that perhaps there should be a more even spread throughout the sections, perhaps 12 in the championship section and 15 in the 1st,2nd and 3rd sections, which would leave about 16 bands in the 4th section.

[DaveR]

I was thinking more that perhaps there should be a more even spread throughout the sections, perhaps 12 in the championship section and 15 in the 1st,2nd and 3rd sections, which would leave about 16 bands in the 4th section.

But wouldn't that mean that there would be a much wider spread of ability within each section? You'd have some 4th section bands in the 3rd section where they may struggle. I think that the less able bands in each section would just end up being relegated and we would be back where we started. Bands find their own level.

[GingerMaestro]

just a few congrats

Polysteel for their win and about time too :biggrin:
Bream onqualifying again nice one
Wotton for there result yesterday

and

Cheltenham from last to 7th in 12 months brilliant

Say no more Cyndy..:biggrin: ...you know what I mean

[Forest Gump]

But wouldn't that mean that there would be a much wider spread of ability within each section? You'd have some 4th section bands in the 3rd section where they may struggle. I think that the less able bands in each section would just end up being relegated and we would be back where we started. Bands find their own level.

I don't agree, if you take a band like Bream, there not going up this time (apparently) but i'm sure they would do rather well in the 3rd section, i think if you have to many bands compeating, it make important things like finals and promotion a bit of a lottery. If this was happening in the top section people would take more notice.

[QAD]

I don't agree, if you take a band like Bream, there not going up this time (apparently) but i'm sure they would do rather well in the 3rd section, i think if you have to many bands compeating, it make important things like finals and promotion a bit of a lottery. If this was happening in the top section people would take more notice.

I would like to see number of bands promoted/relegated relative to size of the section. The number of bands promoted/relegated should be the same as the number of bands that are sent to the finals.
The fourth section in the West of England would have seen four bands promoted last year and three this year. This would be a more flexibile model and would mean that the sections would level out over time. It would also reflect the situation we find in the banding world where the quality of a band can change quickly.
What do you think?
Huw

[Cyndy]

just a few congrats

Polysteel for their win and about time too :biggrin:
Bream onqualifying again nice one
Wotton for there result yesterday

and

Cheltenham from last to 7th in 12 months brilliant

Say no more Cyndy..:biggrin: ...you know what I mean

Thanks Ginger, We are over the moon.
And well done to you, seams 7 is a good number this year,Avonbank came 7th as well:clap:

[Tom-King]

I would like to see number of bands promoted/relegated relative to size of the section. The number of bands promoted/relegated should be the same as the number of bands that are sent to the finals.
The fourth section in the West of England would have seen four bands promoted last year and three this year. This would be a more flexibile model and would mean that the sections would level out over time. It would also reflect the situation we find in the banding world where the quality of a band can change quickly.
What do you think?
Huw

I see what you're saying...

Personally, Id like to go one step further, and add that:

The number being promoted into a section should not have to be the same as the number being relegated out of the same section.

In other words, if you had a 3rd section of 20, and a second section of 10, you might promote 3 from the 3rd (because its too big) and relegate only 1 from the second (because its too small), with this system you would have a system where the size of each section stayed roughly right.

Also, with this addition, you'd find that if you promoted or demoted more than expected (due to even points), if it resulted in too much of a skew between sections, the next years would sort out the balance.

Obviously, there would need to be individual boundries set for each section on how many bands you would promote or relegate based on how many bands are in that section.

Make any sense? Opinions?

Tom

[Will the Sec]

I think it's daft. In the event of a tie and this impacting on promotion and/or relegation, then the band placed higher at the most recent contest should be promoted or not relegated.

That solves that conundrum, but it's very hard to balance the numbers in the five sections in an area, especially when the level of entries in the fourth section varies greatly from one year to the next.

[Cyndy]

I would like to see number of bands promoted/relegated relative to size of the section. The number of bands promoted/relegated should be the same as the number of bands that are sent to the finals.
The fourth section in the West of England would have seen four bands promoted last year and three this year. This would be a more flexibile model and would mean that the sections would level out over time. It would also reflect the situation we find in the banding world where the quality of a band can change quickly.
What do you think?
Huw


I agree with you Huw, If you send three/four bands to the finals then three/four bands should be promoted, it would help to take some of the load off the 4th section, secondly many congrats for result on Saturday, well deserved:clap: must say we at Cheltenham are pretty pleased with ourselves, and would like Bream in the 3rd section where they belong,(also out of the way for us):biggrin:

[jackballard]

i meant to say well done to HYDE but may of been under the influence!
sorry;)

[Am I ME?]

Just played at the WOE in 4th section with Wincanton.
We played really well and had really good feedback from independent bandsman.
Shame the adjudicators didn't see it like that and placed us a joking 13th!!!

I played for Shanklin and we had lots of really good feedback from independent bandsman too. We felt we had played well and came 12th.

[Tuba Dave]

thanks for all the congrats everyone, i'm still buzzing now about the result and im really looking forward to harrogate in september.
well done polysteel.

[Alan MacRae]

Someone I didn't know came up to me when I was getting food, I think I just stood there looking confused when they said someone else's name :D .

That might have been me. I saw someone who looked like a cornet player I know called Chloe. Embarassing moment, wasn't it ;)

She used to play for Wotton, don't know if she still does. Congrats to Wotton btw, excellent result. Is that promotion then?

[Alan MacRae]

I've done a little calculation on the 2nd section gradings, and I reckon Ocean and Portishead go up to 1st section, South Molton and St Stythians go down to 3rd, and it leaves the rest with points to carry forward to next year:

Soundhouse 8
Filton 11
Michelmersh 12
Gillingham 15
Promoted 15
Promoted 15
Relegated 15
Relegated 15
Lydmet 17
Phoenix 17
Shrewton 18
Bristol East 20
Torbay 24

Have I missed any? Got anything wrong?

[DaveR]

I've done a little calculation on the 2nd section gradings, and I reckon Ocean and Portishead go up to 1st section, South Molton and St Stythians go down to 3rd, and it leaves the rest with points to carry forward to next year:


Don't bands that have just been promoted get a grace period before they can be relegated again in order to avoid yo-yoing between the sections? I think South Molton have only just been promoted, so if I'm correct then I think they are safe from relegation.

[ophicliede]

There is no grace period, if you have the most points you are down!!!!

[DaveR]

I'm sure there used to be. Did the rules change at some point?

[Alan MacRae]

Don't bands that have just been promoted get a grace period before they can be relegated again in order to avoid yo-yoing between the sections? I think South Molton have only just been promoted, so if I'm correct then I think they are safe from relegation.

I do remember something of that nature, but I thought that was why they introduced the average scores for bands promoted/relegated. If South Molton (who did indeed just get promoted this year along with us) stay up, then there will be 3 bands relegated - St Stythians (35), Phoenix (28 ) and Bristol East (28 ).

South Molton total 29 over the 3 years. It would be a great shame for Phoenix to go down with a total of 28, considering they managed an excellent 4th place.

Still with only 13 in the section, maybe they'll leave South Molton up, and NOT relegate Phoenix and Bristol, leaving 14 competing next year.

EDIT because (28 ) looks better than (28) 8)

[ophicliede]

What happens if you are a newly registered band in the 4th Section? Do you get average points for the previous years or the same points as a band that does not compete. Any one know?

[Rapier]

Surely a band can't be demoted after just one Contest in a new section?

[DaveR]

Surely a band can't be demoted after just one Contest in a new section?

That's what I thought. Potentially every year you could be either promoted or relegated which would be an awful situation to be in.

[ophicliede]

I conducted a band in the Championship section, we had been newly promoted and drawn 1st came last and relegated because we had the second highest points aggregate over three years. After performing for 15 minutes in the Championship, we appealed but didn't get anywhere. A quirk of fate or just really bad luck!

[Rapier]

Yes, I can't see it being that simple. Get promoted to a harder section, contest, don't get a place and then relegated again? It used to be several appearances in the same section to get the average points score, that then decided placings.

[Liz Courts]

Woohoo, what a great weekend!! We just got back from Torquay about half an hour ago...:)

So nineth for Lympstone in our first year in the first section - I think we're extremely happy with that result :biggrin: ... and it was nice to hear a few people saying we could have been placed higher too!

A HUGE congratulations to Pendennis on their win in the forth section - I've already booked a place on their bus to Harrogate! And another massive well done to Camborne B for winning the third section! :clap:

I listened to six bands in the second section and can honestly say that I had no idea who was better than who :confused: ... of the bands I listened to apparently Soundhouse were the best and South Molton were the worst - but if I came off stage having just performed with South Molton I would've been really proud! And I think they were too...so well done on a good performance anyway!

I was in the bar for most of the Championship section (apologies to all the random people I spoke to, but I think you were drunk too!) :rolleyes: apart from Woodfalls who played really well and were unlucky not to qualify. But judging on what other people said I think the results were probably quite fair! So well done to Polysteel and Mount Charles!

Roll on next year!! :)

[samaynsley]

Having listened to a lot of the bands in the 2nd section, I reckon the adjudicators got it spot on, and that includes us finishing 2nd last; we were pretty rubbish, hopefully we'll be able to compete better in the 3rd section next year.

As for the relegation issue, it is possible to go down after one year is it happened to Hayle last year. Will be interesting to see what the guys do.

[meandmycornet]

What a weekend!

Firstly... as far as we know.... well latest information we were given by someone who had worked everything out... We don't go back down to the 3rd section! There's a band (Wantage I think it was) that hasn't competed for two years, so they will be going down. Also not 100% on St Stythian's situation as Bendix Kingswood should go down, but they've amalgamated with Bristol East, depends on what the committee or whoever makes these decisions decides!

Secondly.... we were extremely shocked with our result, as were quite a lot of other people, also our remarks were a bit ermmm strange .... some parts were even bordering on being quite rude to be honest!

Also ... St Stythians didn't deserve to be so low down either... they were really good! I was more suprised that they were so low down! They are also a very friendly bunch of people, I sat with some of them round of them big tables and they were lovely!

Anyway... 2nd section aside...

Well done to Pendennis in the 4th section, fabulous result and 100% deserved, you were amazing... your flugel player is a star! Best of luck for Harrogate, lets hope you have a repeated success!

Well done to Charlie and the band at Lympstone, and should have been higher, but I know you're all more than happy with your results, Charlie was smiling!

Didn't here many bands in the 3rd section, but well done to Camborne 'B' a well deserved result I'm sure, seeing as you've been almost there the last few years! Have fun in Harrogate!

We only heard Woodfalls in the championship section, because I wanted to see Nick Childs :tongue: congratulations on your 3rd place!


Oh and Dave.... I didn't stand you up :( Me and Mum think we saw you.... you were sat at one of the big tables in the bar... but we were too chicken to see if it actually was you and Liz was playing crazy golf at the time, and by the time you got back you were gone! Well done for talking to a random person... I didn't know I had a lookylikey at Torquay! :tongue:
I will be at Bugle, so I will definately see you then.... I'll be in the food tent eating cheese and onion pasties probably!

I can't believe Torquay is all over... it went so quickly!

[DaveR]

Oh and Dave.... I didn't stand you up :( Me and Mum think we saw you.... you were sat at one of the big tables in the bar... but we were too chicken to see if it actually was you and Liz was playing crazy golf at the time, and by the time you got back you were gone! Well done for talking to a random person... I didn't know I had a lookylikey at Torquay! :tongue:
I will be at Bugle, so I will definately see you then.... I'll be in the food tent eating cheese and onion pasties probably!

I can't believe Torquay is all over... it went so quickly!

Was that at the end of the day? I didn't sit down in the bar at the start of the day, I just went in and had a look round to see if you were there. Actually, you did look straight at me when you were standing in the foyer bit between the two halls but that was the time I was still deciding if it was really you or not! :tongue: I should have taken the plunge then! :(

We'll have to make sure that neither of us are too chicken in Bugle! :tongue:

[meandmycornet]

It was before Lympstone played! Just after the 1st section draw... I'd say about errrrr 2pm ish? Maybe it wasn't even you! Oh dear!

[DaveR]

I don't think it can have been me. I went into the bar after band 8 in the first section, and sat with some friends from New Forest for a while before going home, and that was pretty much the only time I was in there (apart from walking through first thing). I was being a BOC for most of the day! :tongue: So maybe you were right to be too chicken to approach a complete stranger!

[Owen S]

A few points on promotion and relegations:

- It is possible for more bands to be promoted. As an example, in order to even up the sizes of the sections, London and Southern Counties promoted seven bands from the fourth section in 2002. Whether that had to be specially agreed with the national committee, I don't know.Link (http://www.regional-contest.org.uk/london/index.php?page=gradingd&year=2002&section=a)

- It's easily possible for bands to be promoted or relegated in their first year in a particular section, and the smaller the section, the more likely it is to happen (because a greater percentage of bands get removed by promotion and relegation each year, meaning a narrower range of points for the bands remaining). Personally, I don't really see the problem with that. If bands had to wait to get a full set of three past results, quick promotion up the sections would be impossible, and it would be completely impossible in smaller sections.

- Wantage compete in the London area, and have done for a while. The A Band are Championship section now, and the B band play in the fourth section. I'm not sure who you're confused with.

[ophicliede]

The sad thing is that if you have been promoted and are relegated the first year you do not keep your placings that helped you get promoted. When you go down you have to take avarage placings which further disadvantages the band. It's a bit of a nonsense.

[Owen S]

The sad thing is that if you have been promoted and are relegated the first year you do not keep your placings that helped you get promoted. When you go down you have to take avarage placings which further disadvantages the band. It's a bit of a nonsense.
Why is this bad? If you kept your previous points, promoted bands could easily keep being promoted each year, but relegated bands would often just keep getting relegated every year, and swiftly get into all sorts of trouble. In addition, equating a band's points that derive from playing a harder piece against better bands with the points of bands previously in a lower section really would be a nonsense.

I don't understand what you think would be gained from this idea.

[ophicliede]

You are being disadvantaged against the bands that you competed against and beat in a competition and not being given a placing reflective of what you have achieved. As for bands that have been relegated from a higher section through consistently being at the bottom in the higher section arguably playing a more difficult testpiece is another issue. Some 1st section testpieces have been more difficult than in the championship section. 'Moariana' for instance. But I digress!

[Rapier]

What a weekend!

I can't believe Torquay is all over... it went so quickly!


Not quickly enough if your drawn last!! A complete waste of a day for me. Shame they don't have the Championship section on the same day as the 4th, would be some point in going down to Torquay then.

I listened to a few in our section and said, "If we don't beat that band we should never compete again." Result? We should never compete again. :)

Actually I probably won't, unless I change bands and as there are none near enough, that's not likely to happen. Never mind, lots of fetes and parks to look forward to.

[Owen S]

You are being disadvantaged against the bands that you competed against and beat in a competition and not being given a placing reflective of what you have achieved.
I'm confused as to exactly what you mean. If you're talking about promoted bands, then they didn't compete against those other bands, they competed against bands in the section below. Furthermore, they are specifically being given a placing that reflects what they achieved, because they're being given a placing in the section above. Both points apply the other way around for bands that have been relegated.
As for bands that have been relegated from a higher section through consistently being at the bottom in the higher section arguably playing a more difficult testpiece is another issue. Some 1st section testpieces have been more difficult than in the championship section. 'Moariana' for instance. But I digress!
Again, those bands were beaten by the other bands in the section above, not by the other bands in the section they now occupy. It would be unfair to grade relegated bands as worse than the other bands in their new section when they haven't previously competed against them.

[MoominDave]

What happens if you are a newly registered band in the 4th Section? Do you get average points for the previous years or the same points as a band that does not compete. Any one know?

Hi John, hope things are going well for you.

You get average points. This was what we did in the Midlands with University of Warwick for the 1998 areas. We won that year, and got promoted (just!) with the two average placings.

Re your points about being disadvantaged relative to other newcomers to the section, I don't think that there is a workable scheme that could fairly account for this. How many extra places over three years should 6th, 1st, 1st in a lower section lose compared to 1st, 2nd, 2nd, say? How should bands relegated from a higher section be compared to that? It would depend on how many bands were in the section for a start, plus a whole host of other variables. As an illustration, consider a scheme whereby the first promoted band had average placings, and the second promoted band had average placings minus 1 (1 in total, not for each year). Relegated bands could work oppositely (i.e. above average points). This is pretty much the simplest possible solution, and doesn't carry any of the nuances of the example I gave above. The advantage gained in a large section would be much smaller than that in a small section; in a section of 5, say (doesn't the North region have one this small?), I bet that this "small" extra offset would almost guarantee that the second promoted band were relegated straight away. You could normalise it to the size of the section, but I think that this is already starting to become too complex to be accepted - it's only a band contest, after all, and the participants want to have a ready feel for how their odds are in advance. Mathematicising the rules isn't going to fill people with goodwill for them!
I think the present system is a pretty good compromise - it's simple, but doesn't disadvantage anyone in any particularly significant way; after all, if a band's main worry after promotion is that it should outcompete the other band that it was promoted with, then it probably isn't destined to stay up in that section anyway.

[jim]

Wow I carn't beilive how quirte it is you can tell that Vicki Reynolds hasn't surfaced yet!!

[ophicliede]

I'm glad that every one is now thoroughly confused! Promotion and relegation does not make the band immediately better or worse because they are in another section. To me it is a status thing. Good luck Dave this coming weekend. I hope that more bands do not withdraw from your section.

[MoominDave]

I'm glad that every one is now thoroughly confused! Promotion and relegation does not make the band immediately better or worse because they are in another section. To me it is a status thing. Good luck Dave this coming weekend. I hope that more bands do not withdraw from your section.

Thanks! Actually, it would be nice if a few more withdrew - say the other 9 left standing...

[Tuba Dave]

She used to play for Wotton, don't know if she still does. Congrats to Wotton btw, excellent result. Is that promotion then?

Chole has moved up to Leicester with Alan because of Alan's Job. They're now both playing for Leicester co-op band who came 4th at the weekend!
Wotton are still in the 3rd section we had a 13th last year and an 8th the year before, so we needed a good result this year to stay up!

[Alan MacRae]

Chole has moved up to Leicester with Alan because of Alan's Job. They're now both playing for Leicester co-op band who came 4th at the weekend!
Wotton are still in the 3rd section we had a 13th last year and an 8th the year before, so we needed a good result this year to stay up!

Well, a good result was certainly got :clap:

Congrats again. Was good to chat with Stu and one or two others in the bar on Sat/Sun

[Liz Loftus]

Also just back back from Torquay!

1st Congrats to Polysteel and from our part of Devon, well done Hatherliegh for their 6th place in the 4th section!

On to our result - yes we are very dissapointed - lots of unconnected listeners had us mid point which we would have been very chuffed about - even our roving reporter from 4barsrest. But hey thats contesting! The more devasting news was from someone who said we were now back in the 3rd section. Tears & plenty of stiff drinks were had by all!! We were then talking to someone from Portishead (sorry I didn't even get your name) who went through the points with us.

The 3 bands with the lowest points (an this is not official!!!) seem to be Kingswood, St Stythians and Test Valley who have both not competed. Added complications 1) Kingswood have now merged with Bristol East but not prior to the contest & therefor no longer exist. 2) Test Valley although not in the bottom 2 have not competed for 2 years.

So, all you clever people out there who know the rules (I'm not being sarcastic!!) what happens now, do we count Kingswood as one band to go down and are St Stythians saved because is it technically correct that Test Valley go down. South Molton are still 1 point above Test Valley, but if that band also no longer exists, does this mean that South Molton go down along with St Stythians. If thats the case then the 2nd section will be down to 9 bands instead of 13 which seems a bit of a joke.

I don't know why the West of England don't have the points table out in the open prior to the event so that we can all see where we are, it will save an awfull lot of upset al round.

There was another band in the 2nd section happily celebrating promotion to the 1st section - but now they don't think they are promoted. Unoffiical!!

Looking at the table from the results yesterday the whole thing is completely skewed and next year should be more than interesting in that if we stay up (and that seems a big if at the moment) we won't be at the bottom of the table we will be 4th from the bottom - so a better result next year should put us out of harms way! Again this is unnoficial!!

Look forward to your interpretations of the rules!!

[Vickitorious]

Wow I carn't beilive how quirte it is you can tell that Vicki Reynolds hasn't surfaced yet!!

hahaha!!

I got up this morning 11am ;) Feel SHATTERED! my eyes are all squinty, sore throat lol!

It's only just starting to sink in that WE'RE GOING TO THE ALBERT HALL!!!!! Woooooo!!!!
My life long ambition :biggrin: lol!

Craig - I was suprisingly quiet last night, I think it's because I was sooo tired and hungry and just wanted a kebab! lol! But... apparently you've taken my title of the loudest person in results? Who's Tigger on Prozac now? ;) lol

xxx

[Sueperc]

Whoops wrong ID on the laptop!

[Will the Sec]

I think I understand what Ophicliede is getting at. Take Fulham. We were promoted last year, having finished 4th, 3rd and 3rd in 2003, 2004, 2005. Were we relegated last year, we would have been given 11 and 10.5 points for 05 and 06, starting us off on 21.5 points. Where this might be deemed unfiar is that we would again be competing against a lot of the same bands that we competed against on 04 and 05 - but worse off by 15.5 points. So, for example, where our actual performances compared to Battle gave us a healthy 8 point margin (3&3 against Battle's 4&10) we would have been 7.5 behind them on average points awarded.

I doubt any one would argue that this method has any merit in reverse, as it would weaken the postition of a relegated band promoted straight away. (I think...)

OK, so the answer is don't get relegated first time out, but that might be easier said than done.

Apologies to Ophicliede if this isn't what he was driving at.

[clairetab]

Its the bands with the two lowest/highest scores that are relegated and promoted, so more than 2 bands will go down/up if there's a tie. Sorry!


Big congrats to Portishead and Aldbourne (yay Chris!!) :clap:


Thanks very much Mrs! You go and play a blinder yourselves next weekend! Got your hen-night T-shirt yet?????

Claire xx

[ophicliede]

Absolutely correct Will the sec! It's great for the morale of the band that has worked hard to get promoted to find that you are way down at the mid to lower end of the table.

[Cyndy]

Did we win? no, did we come in top 6? no, we came 7th, and we are on cloud nine, after last year(we came last) we were hoping for a mid table.
This year we had a Bb bass and the Soprano we were marked down for not having last year, he is 12 years old and been on sop since January,he played a blinder, a star in the making, he is 1 of 5 under 15 years our youngest on Bass bone age 11, our solo horn only 17, all have progresed through our training band.
Sorry to go on but Ohhh we are soooooo happy.
Go Cheltenham Go

[hufferpuffer]

Well done Cheltenham a good result

we came 8th thats up 12 places from last year and thats somthing to shout about i feel.
hey But what do i know i only started playing again in Jan

hopefully next year both bands will inprove and look where we can GO!!!

[Accidental]

Thanks very much Mrs! You go and play a blinder yourselves next weekend! Got your hen-night T-shirt yet?????

Claire xx
We'll do our best, thanks.............. and yes I have ;)

[The_Eighth_Dwarf]

.....On to our result - yes we are very dissapointed - lots of unconnected listeners had us mid point which we would have been very chuffed about - even our roving reporter from 4barsrest. But hey thats contesting! The more devasting news was from someone who said we were now back in the 3rd section. Tears & plenty of stiff drinks were had by all!! We were then talking to someone from Portishead (sorry I didn't even get your name) who went through the points with us.

The 3 bands with the lowest points (an this is not official!!!) seem to be Kingswood, St Stythians and Test Valley who have both not competed. Added complications 1) Kingswood have now merged with Bristol East but not prior to the contest & therefor no longer exist. 2) Test Valley although not in the bottom 2 have not competed for 2 years.



Will be very interesting to see what happens as Kingswood Bristol still exist until 1st of April. They (I think) have 37 points and are botton so should go down. St Sythians (according to me again) have 35 points, are 2nd bottom and should go down. Test valley (iI think) have 30 points but have not competed for 2 years so I don't know if they will go down or not!? one for the regional committee I think. As far as I know South Molton should survive.

[Alan MacRae]

It was my understanding that Bendix Kingswood were relegated after last year's last place with the 2 averages from previous. This meant that they were relegated 2 sections in 2 years. I could easily be wrong as this is based purely on results on 4br - it shows the need for published grading tables in the WoE!

Test Valley are a little more complicated, but should stand currently with 30 points 8 for each of 2005/2006 on relegation from 1st section (they did not compete in 2006) and 14 for this year (last place plus 1) so would have the 2nd relegation place, leaving South Molton safely in the 2nd Section, although with 21 points to carry forward, lying 2nd bottom.

Soundhouse Brass: 3, 5, total 8
Filton Concert Brass: 8,3, 11
Michelmersh Silver: 6,6,12
Gillingham: 8,7,15
Promoted: 8,7,15
Promoted: 8,7,15
Relegated: 8,7,15
Relegated: 8,7,15
Lydmet: 8,9,17
Phoenix Brass: 13,4,17
Shrewton: 7,11,18
Bristol East: 12,8,20
South Molton: 8,13,21
Torbay:14,10,24


Of course, I'm still probably wrong