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tewkeshorn
18.10.2003, 18:22
Hot off the Press!:
Results
1. Fairey FP (Music) Band, Allan Withington, 197
2. Tredegar, Steve Bastable, 196
3. Buy As You View Cory, Dr. Robert Childs, 195
4. Black Dyke, Dr. Nicholas Childs, 193
5. Fodens Richardson, Thomas Wyss, 192
6. Brighouse & Rastrick, Major Ian McElligott, 191
tut!! think u may have beat me there!!
tewkeshorn
18.10.2003, 18:29
Erk, cross thread posts! :lol:
Anyway, Well done to the Fairey boys and girls, a bit of a suprise result if the 4bars reviews are anything to go by. :)
The top 6 looks suspiciously very much like my top 6 in the 4bars Cornet comp, even had Fairey top too so fingers crossed I might have a Maestro Horn by Chrimbo! :P
rickcowens
18.10.2003, 18:31
Results
1. Fairey FP (Music) Band, Allan Withington, 197
2. Tredegar, Steve Bastable, 196
3. Buy As You View Cory, Dr. Robert Childs, 195
4. Black Dyke, Dr. Nicholas Childs, 193
5. Fodens Richardson, Thomas Wyss, 192
6. Brighouse & Rastrick, Major Ian McElligott, 191
7. Ransome, Russell Gray,
8. Kirkintilloch, Frank Renton,
9. Scottish Co-op, James Scott,
10. Desford Colliery, Major Peter Parkes,
11. Camborne Town, Major Paul Murrell,
12. Ever Ready, Ray Farr,
13. Stocksbridge, Derek Renshaw
14. EYMS, Gareth Pritchard,
15. Redbridge Brass, Melvin White,
16. Flowers, Philip Harper,
17. Leyland, Garry Cutt,
18. Burry Port Town, David Evans,
19. Alliance Brass, John Clark,
20. Haydock, Ian Brownbill,
Soloist prize: Soprano cornet – BAYV Cory
rickcowens
18.10.2003, 18:33
well done to Fairey's!!!! got 5 out ov 6 but none ov em in the write order :(
markyboy
18.10.2003, 18:34
Congrats to all, especially Faireys (hat trick next year?).
yeh!! well dun faireys!!!! does this mean we at SSBB get to see the cup again?? :wink: :P
craigyboy1
18.10.2003, 18:51
Well done all :D
Good to see two scottish bands in the top ten :D
TheMusicMan
18.10.2003, 18:56
Well done all :D
Good to see two scottish bands in the top ten :D
That's like showing a "red rag to a bull" to me eh!
... and two Welsh bands in the top 3... :):) :wink:
Euph-Bari
18.10.2003, 19:22
Well Done People!
craigyboy1
18.10.2003, 19:38
Well done all :D
Good to see two scottish bands in the top ten :D
That's like showing a "red rag to a bull" to me eh!
... and two Welsh bands in the top 3... :):) :wink:
Congratulations To All Excellent result for Tredegar and Cory.
Going by 4 bars rest Tredegar could have won :!:
Being Scottish I was pleased for the two Scottish bands :? ...Is that wrong :?:
TheMusicMan
18.10.2003, 20:20
Being Scottish I was pleased for the two Scottish bands :? ...Is that wrong :?:
Hey there craigboy1 - no offence meant :shock: , of course there's nothing wrong with that at all sir, nothing wrong at all - in fact these are brilliant results for Kirkintilloch and Scottish Co-op.
Having made it there once myself, I know how fantastic the feeling of playing at the RAH National Finals is - and of course I am pleased for every band and individual who has taken part today. It's just that as you - being Scottish - were really pleased for your Scottish representation ...
http://www.themouthpiece.com/images/scotflag.gif ...... :tup
I - being Welsh - am really pleased for my Welsh representation... :D
http://www.themouthpiece.com/images/walesflag.gif ...... :tup
... that's all... :)
and being stockport-ish im very glad faireys won :lol:
tewkeshorn
18.10.2003, 20:37
To follow the trend then, suppose I better say well done too to Flowers being my local-ish band! :P
Euph-Bari
18.10.2003, 20:44
followin the tred - B&R
To follow the trend then, suppose I better say well done too to Flowers being my local-ish band! :P
non no its well done cos im teweksbury-ish!!!
followin the tred - B&R
...and 17 other bands too! ;)
followin the tred - B&R
...and 17 other bands too! ;)
noooooo the game is.............the nearest one to where u are and euph bari is rong!!! it is brighouse-ish!!!!!!! geddit rite!!! :P
tubamaest
18.10.2003, 22:40
Congrats to Sam and all the guys at the Ransome band,See I told you the move south was the right one Sam, good on ya!
Richard Wilton(Grimey)
neiltwist
19.10.2003, 01:51
c'mon haydock....
oh well.
well done to all, especially cooper!
Accidental
19.10.2003, 09:59
Well done to everyone, even the London bands! Heard all of the top 3 and Fairey were "my" no 1, so very happy with the result. Surprised at 4br's write up oin Fairey though.
Pythagoras
19.10.2003, 10:51
Well done Stocksbridge. Good to see a Sheffield band at the Nationals. 5? of our ex players and their top man used to conduct us.
Excellent day yesterday enjoyable peice but a bit '' bitty'' for my personal taste.
As for the results I listened to 14 of the bands including all the top 8 and I thought they got it about right. Personally my favourites were Tredegar and Kikintilloch. Two of the not so big names doing superbly congratulations to you both.
Very soon I expect B&R to put in an error free top notch show, both at the Open and now RAH they could easily have won without the little errors as the reading on both counts was top stuff.
On a negative note the accoustic in the hall really doesn't help the bands create any magic does it? I guess all bands want to play at the RAH but Symphony Hall is far more suited on that score.
Still congratulations to everyone on a day when I thought the big six weren't that far ahead of the rest.
Ian
i hear brighouse played very well, dont think the 4br write up was v.fair really but oh well......hope their enjoyin thier sherbet anyway :wink:
floral_dance
19.10.2003, 14:28
Well done to Kirkintilloch and CWS Scotland, and congratulations to Fairey's.
yorkie19
19.10.2003, 19:09
Congrats to Sam and all the guys at the Ransome band,See I told you the move south was the right one Sam, good on ya!
Richard Wilton(Grimey)
Cheers mate. It's a good team at Ransomes who worked hard.
People in the south aren't all that bad, it seems. They just talk funny!
Sam
jimortality
19.10.2003, 19:18
Congrats to Sam and all the guys at the Ransome band,See I told you the move south was the right one Sam, good on ya!
Richard Wilton(Grimey)
Cheers mate. It's a good team at Ransomes who worked hard.
People in the south aren't all that bad, it seems. They just talk funny!
Sam
Sam!!! no wonder you're late for band, we're in the Midlands not the South, you must be going too far!!
Jim B
edward_allen
19.10.2003, 19:42
Would just like to spark some debate about the results themselves. Did anyone actually agree with them ?
I was at the RAH as a neutral and had no vested interest in the outcome. However, I was absolutely amazed at the first and second places. Tredegar played 11 with Cory 12 and so it was very easy to make a direct comparison. And what a contrast ! To me Cory's performance was leagues ahead. Without question.
Then we had defending champs Faireys at band 19. Great band that they are this was very much an off day. Splits aplenty and sounding very uncertain. I have no idea how they won.
Take out the top 2 and the next four were about right. Anyone disagree ?
Shommusic
19.10.2003, 20:10
Well, as were patting our 'local teams' on the back Id like to say a big well done to my local band- Redbridge! Lived in the borough for 6 years whilst at college, and the wife comes from there! Am now living in the neighbouring borough, Havering, which i guess is 'Aveley' territory now! So well done chaps and ladies, hope my bro in law on percussion behaved himself!!! :wink:
The results from yesterday I thought were quite thought provoking, right throughout the day we had greatly differing readings from the bands.
In the adjudicators summing it was said that only a handful had a real grasp on the music and this was clearly reflected in the result. The fact that Tredegar perhaps didn't have the big sound of BAYVC was in the view of the adjudicators not the most important aspect. The interpretation was all important. In my view Tredagar were the stars of the day bringing something out of the music not heard anywhere else. Of course BAYVC were technically excellent as you would expect, as were some of the other big names but that wasn't counted most in the adjudicators opinion.
I do agree however that the ''split count'' was a bit inconsistent in my view B&R had an excellent reading marred by a few errors which clearly cost dear yet Fairey had a similar number but didn't. Fairey's Nimrod was very slow indeed say compared to B&R but the adjudicators clearly stated that this didn't matter as long as it flowed.
For me the Instrumentalist award should have gone to the PC of Tredegar
Ian
Rob Westacott of Tredegar showed why he is one of the best end players around also the solo horn was equly as good, special note must go to the superb flug player and the rep who (I believe you once sat bumper up two music man at your days at Newport band?) :D
Cornetto
19.10.2003, 22:18
Anyway, Well done to the Fairey boys and girls, a bit of a suprise result if the 4bars reviews are anything to go by. :)
Cheers!! We were suprised too but no girls in band... (where have you been last 60 years? ;))
Thanks again, incidently my permanent residence is in tewkesbury, and I know some of the band so pass on my regards!
yorkie19
19.10.2003, 22:28
Congrats to Sam and all the guys at the Ransome band,See I told you the move south was the right one Sam, good on ya!
Richard Wilton(Grimey)
Cheers mate. It's a good team at Ransomes who worked hard.
People in the south aren't all that bad, it seems. They just talk funny!
Sam
Sam!!! no wonder you're late for band, we're in the Midlands not the South, you must be going too far!!
Jim
Anything south of the M18 is South!
See you Thursday
Sam
Jim B
yorkie19
19.10.2003, 22:30
Rob Westacott of Tredegar showed why he is one of the best end players around also the solo horn was equly as good, special note must go to the superb flug player and the rep who (I believe you once sat bumper up two music man at your days at Newport band?) :D
Having sat in the same bandroom as Rob for a year, I'll vouch for the fact that he is a class player.
Sam
Having sat in the same bandroom as Rob for a year...
You kicked David Blaines ass then
Kerwintootle
19.10.2003, 23:07
Congrats to Fairey's.
We were very, very happy with our performance and we enjoyed a lot of great comments from the enthusiastic audience and high profile bands people. Band played very musically and a very clean performance.
Sheer joy to play there and do the concert as well last night. Derek Watkins was superb.
timbloke
19.10.2003, 23:07
Well done Stocksbridge. Good to see a Sheffield band at the Nationals. 5? of our ex players and their top man used to conduct us.
maybe you can follow in their footsteps next weekend, well done to eleanor, edward, jen, mark, dan?, mathew and the rest of the stocksbridge lot.
PeterBale
20.10.2003, 08:33
Good day's contesting, with some interesting readings and no really disasterous performances. I must say I was a little surprised to find Fairey's placed first. As others have said, there were a couple of slips, particularly early on, but I felt, for all it was well-played, it left me a little flat - nothing that really caught my ear.
Regarding Cory, I thought their vibrato was going to spoil things at first, but their performance seemed to settle down, and I thought they brought out the ups and downs in the underneath parts of Nimrod better than anyone else.
Dyke had definitely set the standard, and again you wonder whether that same performance, later in the draw, might have carried the day. We were impressed by Tredegar, and both the Scottish bands well deserved their places.
One other general comment: not many of the percussion sections made much of an impact. Maybe it's because they didn't have a lot to do, and I wonder whether some bands had brought in percusson quite late on in the rehearsal schedules - seems to underline the problem regarding percussion in contests: if they do not have a lot to do, how do you maintain the interest and raise the standards. The bands that seemed to do the best were those that are noted for doing a lot of concert work and featuring the percussion frequently.
sugarandspice
20.10.2003, 08:47
As everyone is supporting their local bands i would like to say well done to Camborne, i think they did really well, and exceeded expectations,
However a little more support is need from the other Cornish people on tmp, come on i know you’re out there!!!
Darth_Tuba
20.10.2003, 09:06
Congratulations from everyone at Leyland to all the lads at Fairey on their first back to back nationals double.
Seedhouse
20.10.2003, 09:51
Being in the East Midlands, carrying on the trend of supporting local bands, (as are Desford I think!?) I'm glad that Desford came 10th, they've been under a lot of fire in recent years for only concentrating on touring and not much contesting. So i'm glad they showed that they can still do well.
Congrats to all bands as well though- Fairey's two years in a row! Is a hat-trick coming up next year??
The Cornet King
20.10.2003, 10:14
Congratulations to the Fairey Band...again. Having heard them a few times in the past year or so, in concert and contest and i certainly believe they are one of the most consistent bands i have heard in a long time (with the possible exception of YBS).
They have total quality all the way around the stand, some quite phenominal principles and i hope they go on to make it a hat trick.
Also a huge well done to Stocksbridge. They've had some turbulent times of late, but they sounded great at the area this time and obviously played well this weekend. Good luck for the future.
Thanks to EYMS for a great weekend in London. I thoroughly enjoyed it (apart from extortionate pricing of alcoholic beverages) Well done on the result - carry on with that trend. Once again thanks for a brilliant weekend - top bunch of people.
Stephen :shock: (Eb Bass - Horbury Victoria)
PeterBale
20.10.2003, 11:40
Seeing Ste69's reference to the price of drinks, how stupid of the Albert Hall to close all the bars during the afternoon. We had taken our own food and drink with us, but it seems stupid that for a couple of hours there was nowhere to buy refreshments, alcoholic or otherwise. Surely they should know by now that, at an event such as the contest, people are going to be milling around throughout the day!
LU-Brasser
20.10.2003, 11:59
Yes very stupid, nothing to drink, and nothing to eat in the RAH, only the mobile food-station... unbelievable... :shock: :?
Euph@B#st#rd
20.10.2003, 12:07
Well done to everyone, even the London bands! .
Well done? I don't think so. It was only 3 years ago that there were 2 London bands in the top 10 at the finals.
I don't suppose that Redbridge and (especially) Alliance Brass will be feeling they did much for the reputation of the Region on this occasion. Not the strongest finals field this year either.
Hopefully the better London bands will qualify next year and restore some pride.
FB
Call me a tight-fisted yorkshireman if you like, I don't begrudge paying a bit more for beer when visiting our southern neighbours but £2:90 for a warm can of Carling (hardly the connoiseurs choice) is pushing it even for me who'll drink practically anything :shock: Anyway, it didn't detract from a brilliant weekend - great music for a change and fantastic atmosphere as always.
Stephen (Eb Bass - Horbury Victoria)
geordiecolin
20.10.2003, 12:35
Well done Stocksbridge. Good to see a Sheffield band at the Nationals. 5? of our ex players and their top man used to conduct us.
maybe you can follow in their footsteps next weekend, well done to eleanor, edward, jen, mark, dan?, mathew and the rest of the stocksbridge lot.
Hope you will follow them as well Tim!!! (As opposed to "We Will Follow Tim"??!!)
Texted Jenny on Sunday, she, and presumably the rest of the band are feeling very proud of themselves!!
Well Done all, but don't forget where you started!! 8)
geordiecolin
20.10.2003, 12:42
Hopefully the better London bands will qualify next year and restore some pride.
Seems a bit harsh!! Surely you are only as good as your last result??
Just been reading the 4barsrest's remarks from saturday. They describe the soprano from Cory as being 'Scratchy' at the beginning. Was this person listening to the same band! Personally i thought he was 'class'. Fantastic sound and control.
LU-Brasser
20.10.2003, 14:17
Just been reading the 4barsrest's remarks from saturday. They describe the soprano from Cory as being 'Scratchy' at the beginning. Was this person listening to the same band! Personally i thought he was 'class'. Fantastic sound and control.
At first, the cory-sop played great, he was class, BUT in the beginning he scratched a little bit... It was a very hard beginning for sop, the most sop had problems with this part.. A few don't play the full part...
I was sitting up in the gods!! Maybe hard to pick up from there. My point is that, here is the player who won best instrumentalist with a magnificent perfromance, on (like you say) a very difficult part, and the only mention 4 bars gives him is 'scratchy'!!! I understand that the standard of playing in the top bands is extremely high, but i feel too many people (within the brassband movement), look to highlight errors rather than the positive things!!
Cornishwomble
20.10.2003, 14:37
As everyone is supporting their local bands i would like to say well done to Camborne, i think they did really well, and exceeded expectations,
However a little more support is need from the other Cornish people on tmp, come on i know you’re out there!!!
Oh go on then. Well done Camborne woohoo!!!
edit :- You'll just have to ignore this, I was talking utter rubbish!
(with the possible exception of YBS).
Isn't it about time someone sorted out this whole sponsor thing so that YBS could play at the Nationals? It is supposed to be the best bands around after all!
LU-Brasser
20.10.2003, 14:46
I understand that the standard of playing in the top bands is extremely high, but i feel too many people (within the brassband movement), look to highlight errors rather than the positive things!!
Yes, but that's life, it is easier to hear the errors then the other positive things..
By the way Alan Wycherly played his part fantastic too!! He has a fantastic condition because he played a day befor contest (Friday) a hard concert and reharshal after this... :o
LU-Brasser
20.10.2003, 14:49
Isn't it about time someone sorted out this whole sponsor thing so that YBS could play at the Nationals? It is supposed to be the best bands around after all!
Sponsor thing? I don't understand, I thought they aren't qualified?
hmmm... maybe i've become confused in my ramblings... :oops:
I don't understand either!!!! Have I missed something??
yeah, just remembered, was thinking of something entirely different and almost completely unrelated... very sorry!
Revel8ion
20.10.2003, 15:17
Why don't the people who were at the contest give us their top 6 and best instrumentalist.
The King of Wise
20.10.2003, 15:22
Having heard the whole event on Saturday, I have to say that I thought Fairey's were very fortunate to win the 1st prize. They are a very, very good band and when they were playing well it was quite outstanding, but I don't think I can recall a winning performance in the Royal Albert Hall which contained as many obvious split notes.
Lalo
ok from the 14 I listened to my top 6 were
1. Tredegar
2. BDM
3. B&R
4. Fairey
5. Cory
6 Kirkie
Best Instrumentalist: PC of Tredegar
Revel8ion Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2003 2:17 pm Post subject:
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Why don't the people who were at the contest give us their top 6 and best instrumentalist.
OK, the ones I enjoyed the most were:-
Black Dyke
Tredegar
Cory
Brighouse
Co-op
Desford
Michelle Ibbotson on Sop with Black Dyke for the solo prize.
Kenny
PeterBale
20.10.2003, 16:40
I heard 15 bands, mainly from the gods, but 3 from the Grand Tier, and it's interesting how different an impression you get.
My favorites:
Black Dyke
Tredegar
Cory
Then a group that would include the two Scottish bands, Ransome, Fodens and Faireys.
I'd also go with Michelle Ibbotson for best soloist.
edward_allen
20.10.2003, 18:37
My favourites:-
Cory
Dyke
(the two best by a distance, followed by.....)
B&R
Fodens
As I said before, I thought Faireys had an off day for them (can there ever have been a more error-strewn winning performance ? - can't wait for the CD) and Tredegar played well until they got a bit over excited in the finale (esp. euphs and baris). Top 6 possibly if you liked the interpretation......top 4 never. Just not good enough compared to the bands listed above (not that there's any disgrace in that !).
Anglo Music Press
20.10.2003, 20:48
I was fortunate (?) to be in a unique position when I judged at the Albert Hall in 1994 and then had the pleasure of compiling the CD of the winning performance and concert.
All I can say is that the recorded performance sounded NOTHING LIKE the one I had heard live - and this is one of the disadvantages of the dear old RAH - the sound can be totally different from different parts of the hall. On stage the acoustic is really dry (I also once played in the Finals there - frightening) as there are no reflective surfaces anywhere near you, and as you go farther back in the hall the echo just rolls around and you can hear loud trombones coming at you from the LEFT !
So don't think what you hear on the CD is what the judges heard - it won't be. The box really does have to be on stage there - but we know that won't happen! In any event, it should be as close to the stage as possible - if the result is expected to be a just one!
I heard a few bands on Saturday and was very impressed by Dyke - I thought they really took some risks (which worked) and Dr. Nick managed to make an impossible arrangement work very well indeed.
Brian Kelly
20.10.2003, 22:51
I listened to the bands from the left hand stalls in the contest, and then sat in the centre stalls for the concert, in-line but further back from where the adjudicators' tent had been, and the sound was definitely very different.
Anyway, I enjoyed the following performancies:
Faireys (honestly I did - I did notice some mistakes, but not as many as others seem to have done. Mind you my concentration was flagging a bit by then. Belated congratulations to them, especially as they are a local band for me!)
Corey
Black Dyke
Brighouse & Rastrick
Leyland (another local band for me! I enjoyed their performance, even though the adjudicators didn't)
Ever Ready
Ransome
I also enjoyed the brilliant bass trombone playing from Alliance Brass!
I missed out on heaing Haydock, Scottish Co-op and Kirkintilloch.
edward_allen
20.10.2003, 22:58
Very interesting comments Philip. I have always thought that the box should be as close as possible to the stage (better still - let's lose the box !).
A more radical idea would be to record a cd of every performance and post them off to the judges so they can make their minds up at their leisure (say within 24 hours). Might take the excitement out of having the result on the day but it would minimise the effect of the draw and the judges could at least satisfy themselves as to their opinion by taking their time and listening carefully. (Bands would also retain their anonymity if that is judged to be so important.)
One final thought, Philip - you say you adjudicated in 1994. I must admit I am a little confused. I thought it was essential to be 70+ and losing one's faculties in order to become an adjudicator ?
JRobertS
20.10.2003, 23:38
My friends and I all thought Black Dyke's performance was by far the best. So did someone else I know who I met outside afterwards.
Fairey's performance was very good, but we certainly didn't think it would be the winning performance.
Naomi McFadyen
21.10.2003, 05:32
I go with Philips comments 100% of the way...
I reckon if the box was closer we would have had a different result.
But hey, thats contesting for ya!
;-)
LU-Brasser
21.10.2003, 06:23
I've heard 17 bands last sturday... my top 6.
1. Fairey
2. Brighouse
3. Desford
4. Cory
5. Tredegar
6. Fodens
Best Instrumentalist: Alan Wycherly Soprano Fodens...
Anglo Music Press
21.10.2003, 07:59
One final thought, Philip - you say you adjudicated in 1994. I must admit I am a little confused. I thought it was essential to be 70+ and losing one's faculties in order to become an adjudicator ?
Please don't be alarmed, I WAS already losing my facilities then!
W.Rimmer
21.10.2003, 10:14
I was in total agreement with the adjudicators' choice of the top 6 bands, but I was unable to place them into any sort of order. All performances were flawed. I was waiting for the relaxed performance where the technical issues were brushed aside and some sort of musical interpretation could happen. It never came. Perhaps the piece should have remained in the orchestral domain! ...a good day out though. Nice tunes for a change.
Andy.
Cornetto
21.10.2003, 10:58
split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes..........
just about sums up most people's thoughts on our winning performance so far. True as it is there were slips, but theres alot more to playing an instrument than how many notes you can avoid knocking over.
I heard dyke, and heard alot of feedback on other bands, and from what I can tell no band put on a true winning show. Just so happened that we put on the best one out of a bad bunch it would seem.
Thanks to those who have congratulated us, and picked up on the good points from our performance. Personally I feel slightly dissapointed that we didn't play to our full potential, and I think the band are too. It was just a nice suprise when the results came out. Who cares now though... We won! End of story.
I am so proud to be able to have said that i have played Enigma Variations in the Albert Hall. It was a fantastic day and a day where i actually listened to a good few bands.
I have to say i was disapointed with Dyke using mutes in Nimrod though! This for me took some of the shine away from a superb performance!
Congratulations to the winners dont listen to all the negative talk on your show!! for what tis worth I enjoyed it! :oops:
You never cease to amaze me Bart, I am surprised you can remember anything about the weekend - good laugh though
big_benthomson
21.10.2003, 12:57
well done fp's! especially little drummer-boy fp at the back who played about 2 cymbal crashes all the way through, and still bought me a £3.80 pint after id just reamed him for ages :lol: good work neal
i thought we might have done a tiny bit better... apart from the first few bars (which is what the adjudicators seemed to be adjudicating off) we played fairly hot. but o well, i got totally faced and spent about 3million pounds. see u at pontins
Kerwintootle
21.10.2003, 13:11
Congrats Cornetto.
You raise an interesting point, yes I do agree that there is a lot more to playing than how many skittles you can keep. I split a big one at the Open and people were saying to what a 'mare I'd had. One note! Yet everything else was okey dokey.
However, this throws up the argument of what the adjudicators should judge. Does a clean performance that may not necessarily be the interpretation you were looking for take precadence over a performance peppered with individual errors but with a superior (in whoever's opinion) reading?
I didn't hear you guys on Saturday, but I saw your faces when you came off stage and saw the disappointment. I didn't listen to anybody on Saturday as we where rehearsing for the concert in the evening.
Don't let them get you down. What goes down in history is that you won.
Cheers
Alex
Seedhouse
21.10.2003, 13:11
It is often the case that the adjudicators decide whether the band's have done well from the first opening bars. This is what we found with Call of The Sea at the Nationals, and we worked hard at the opening (as with the rest of the piece!) to do the best we could.
I always feel it's the taking part that counts though, doing well at the Nationals for us was a bonus, and now we're up to the third section.
Congrats again to all bands participating, especially to Fairey's for their double win! :wink:
tubaturk
21.10.2003, 13:48
I thoroughly enjoyed the buzz of playing Elgar at the RAH. Very proud day for the band and I thought that we made a tidy fist of it on our first appearance. I was on a big high on Saturday but I've been on a downer ever since...after the lord mayor's show and all that.
Here's hoping we can make it back next year. Thanks Tred and Cory for improving our chances of a return ever so slightly!
Well done to Faireys as well.
GJ
Eb Bass - Burry Port Town
I thoroughly enjoyed the buzz of playing Elgar at the RAH. Very proud day for the band and I thought that we made a tidy fist of it on our first appearance. I was on a big high on Saturday but I've been on a downer ever since...after the lord mayor's show and all that.
Here's hoping we can make it back next year. Thanks Tred and Cory for improving our chances of a return ever so slightly!
Well done to Faireys as well.
GJ
Eb Bass - Burry Port Town
Come on Gareth of course you can, you've got too many good players around the stand not too!! I had to say that, Jayne's paid me too much!!
tubaturk
21.10.2003, 14:54
I thoroughly enjoyed the buzz of playing Elgar at the RAH. Very proud day for the band and I thought that we made a tidy fist of it on our first appearance. I was on a big high on Saturday but I've been on a downer ever since...after the lord mayor's show and all that.
Here's hoping we can make it back next year. Thanks Tred and Cory for improving our chances of a return ever so slightly!
Well done to Faireys as well.
GJ
Eb Bass - Burry Port Town
Come on Gareth of course you can, you've got too many good players around the stand not too!! I had to say that, Jayne's paid me too much!!
Red Wine Jayne pay? Now there's an new one. That girl has a knack of always getting to the bar just behind me.
Lauradoll
21.10.2003, 15:11
Hey there Bartje!!
Hows married life treatin you.
Well done at the weekend!
Cyc soon
Gareth, she's never away from the bar just has the ability to smell a hand going into a pocket and magically appearing next to you. Mind you from what I hear she was mainly under the bar last Sat!!!
As I was only playing for a 3rd section band at the time I have only had the opportunity to play at the RAH once and that was in the 2000 Nationals.
I was there last weekend as a spectator and was VERY envious of all the bands on stage getting to play such a great piece in a fantastic auditorium.
Well done to all the bands - it was a pleasure to listen to.
I heard all 20 bands (using a combination of Tracker bars for nurishment and well-timed pee breaks between bands!!), and here is my “unofficial” placings based on my own personal adjudication:
1. Dyke
2. Tredegar
3. Cory
4. Kirkintilock
5. Brighouse
6. Faireys
7. Fodens
8. Ransom
9. Co-op
10. Flowers
11. Ever Ready
12. Desford
13. Camborn
14. Leyland
15. Stockbridge
16. EYMS
17. redbridge
18. Alliance
19. Burry port
20. Haydock
I didn’t think Fairey (while a good band, no doubting it) were in the same ball park as Dyke, tredegar and Cory
Gillman
Hey LauraDoll!!
Howudoin!!! Life is good had a great weekend though i think the band need to find a new hotel for next year cause Gman was up to his usual!!! and our Eb Bass player Tom kept singing Rangers songs and trying to snog me all night? Im now in therapy! Are You behaving yourself?
Thanks for the 4th place Gillman!! The band were very happy with the performance as was Frank( which is remarkable in itself!) Now looking forward to Brass in Concert! Ps You dont fancy playing top Eb Bass do you? Tom is a part time opera singer and is performing with the Gilbert and Sulivan singers that day? :lol:
At least I'm not a part time wrestler like you Bart!!
And as I recall you were trying to snog me!! - No therapy will rid me of that trauma
Luciano Tomarrini and Brett the hunman Bart!! Why don't you two start to practice instead of spending all your time on here!!! Your behaviour on Saturday was what I would expect to see in a childrens nursery!!! Hoeggardden is no excuse Tom! I thoroughly enjoyed the weekend and not listening to any bands didn't seem to do me any harm :?: Well done to Faireys and on to the next for everybody else
Rob Westacott of Tredegar showed why he is one of the best end players around also the solo horn was equly as good, :D
Solo horn is Rob's sister!
The result was an outright farce, IMHO, the winning performance that is, cannot wait for the recording
G Man
I'll start when you start
I think Bart needs more than practice
ExSpecialK
21.10.2003, 23:11
Tom
Does Audrey not let you out on a Tuesday or are you still on the Hoeggardden
As you well know Kenny, I don't get out much at all
The King of Wise
22.10.2003, 12:52
I have to admit that I am very disappointed in the magnitude of the debate on the National Championships result. There seems to be an acceptance that because the winning band are famous and were fancied by many before the competition that the result was fine. I don't think it was. If that performance had been played by Tredegar, Ransome, Kirkintilloch, Ever Ready or Camborne and still won the first prize then I think the brass band movement would be suffering mass apoplexy right now.
In the hope that this brings the debate to life, I think that Faireys, who I still believe showed many signs of being a great band, produced the poorest winning performance at the National Championships in many years on Saturday. Nothing like last year and nowhere near Dyke in '59.
Lalo
I didn't hear Fairey's and so can't comment. I did however hear Dyke and I thought they were great. Only one gripe - why the cup mutes in Nimrod? You could hear them a mile away
Perhaps Lalo could tell us what he thinks the results should have been?
The King of Wise
22.10.2003, 13:58
If you disregard the winners, then the rest of the prizewinners would have been much more acceptable. As you ask, Tom, my own preference was-
Black Dyke
Buy as you View Cory
Brighouse & Rastrick
Tredegar
Ransome
Kirkintilloch
I also enjoyed the performances of Scottish Co-op and Desford, more so than the actual winners. I was rather disappointed in Fodens and consider them slightly fortunate to be in the prizes also.
Lalo
ExSpecialK
22.10.2003, 15:12
Does anyone have any thoughts on the bands that "pointed cornets out" at certain times, I found this detracted from what at times were very good performances. I agree that this can be effective in the right piece but I cannot help feeling that Elgar would not have wished this effect in Enigma.
yorkie19
22.10.2003, 16:32
Does anyone have any thoughts on the bands that "pointed cornets out" at certain times, I found this detracted from what at times were very good performances. I agree that this can be effective in the right piece but I cannot help feeling that Elgar would not have wished this effect in Enigma.
Would Elgar have wished the piece to be arranged for brass band?
Sam
edward_allen
22.10.2003, 19:29
Lalo,
I certainly agree with you. I cannot remember a poorer winning performance, nor one that was so obviously inferior to other performances on the day.
Even if you were to disregard all of the slips, tuning problems (esp. the last note of RBT - ouch!!) and other uncertainities, there still wasn't enough to convince me that they should have been in the top 3, never mind winners.
In fact, I would have been less surprised if they had been placed 10th rather than 1st.
All that said, and let's be clear about this, Faireys are a fantastic band, with brilliant players. On their day they would be worthy champions. I just happen to think they had a bad day on Saturday.
LU-Brasser
23.10.2003, 06:10
What about Desford, I think the plaey well too? Only the beginning... but the rest was great...
MajorMorgan
23.10.2003, 12:35
Well done to everyone, even the London bands! .
Well done? I don't think so. It was only 3 years ago that there were 2 London bands in the top 10 at the finals.
I don't suppose that Redbridge and (especially) Alliance Brass will be feeling they did much for the reputation of the Region on this occasion. Not the strongest finals field this year either.
Hopefully the better London bands will qualify next year and restore some pride.
FB
Who are the better London bands then? And if they are better, how come they didn't beat Redbridge and Alliance at the Area and qualify this year?
wewizrobbed
23.10.2003, 18:51
to alex of the backrow birds of the youth band
I got a new email addres by the way...
lucy@fcukthe.co.uk
clever eh? ;)
hahaha :D luce thats pure genius.
i think your whole band should get them
agentpingu
24.10.2003, 10:03
Black Dyke were robbed! still, well done Nick.
wewizrobbed
24.10.2003, 14:59
hahaha :D luce thats pure genius.
i think your whole band should get them
haw u takin the pash?! square go monkey boy!! :P
how was yabb btw?
luce
scottish co-op
Kerwintootle
26.10.2003, 21:33
Cheers Luce.
However, I don't quite understand your email address. Is there a hidden meaning? I seem to have recollections of it being sung somewhere, maybe in the Bon??????!!!!!! :lol:
wewizrobbed
27.10.2003, 09:57
Couldn't tell you...having just turned 18 three weeks ago not had the pleasure(!?) yet of going to the bon after a contest, since I was such a good wee girl!! :roll:
lucy
scottish co-op
Kerwintootle
27.10.2003, 11:46
I bet your nose will be gigantic by tonight Pinnochio.
drummergurl
10.11.2003, 16:45
do you think haydock deserved last??
split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes split notes..........
just about sums up most people's thoughts on our winning performance so far. True as it is there were slips, but theres alot more to playing an instrument than how many notes you can avoid knocking over.
I heard dyke, and heard alot of feedback on other bands, and from what I can tell no band put on a true winning show. Just so happened that we put on the best one out of a bad bunch it would seem.
Thanks to those who have congratulated us, and picked up on the good points from our performance. Personally I feel slightly dissapointed that we didn't play to our full potential, and I think the band are too. It was just a nice suprise when the results came out. Who cares now though... We won! End of story.
Nick completely agree with you, although I thought the rep was a bit dodgy! (preffered the previous one myself!) haha
No seriously, although we didn't expect to win, I think it made up for previous contests where we had played excellent (Masters "atlantic" springs to mind) and thought we'd done more than enough to win, but didnt!
Anyway I can comment now I've left!
All the best matey, you need it sat next to Crockers, he drove me doolally!!!
PS
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