Open Results [Archive] - theMouthPiece.com

Janet Watkins

13.09.2003, 19:43

Hot off the press!

Did we beat 4BarsRest? :wink:

1. YBS
2. Whitburn
3. Black Dyke
4. Fairey
5. Brighouse & Rastrick
6. Cory
7. Fodens
8. Ever Ready
9. Tredegar
10. Yorkshire Imps Urquart Travel
11. Kirkintilloch
12. Besses o' th' Barn
13. Scottish Co-op
14. Leyland
15. Travelsphere Holidays
16. Illinois Brass
17. Cwmaman Institute (Tower Colliery)
18. Carlton Main Frickley
Best soloist: Soprano - Whitburn

Thanks Stephen2001

Janet

sparkling_quavers

13.09.2003, 20:58

Just had a calculation for the nearest tMP predictions (since I am stuck in sick and not out celebrating with all the rest of you! :cry: )

This is how the results were calculated- a max of 6 points for each place making a total of 36 availiable points.

i.e YBS came 1st so you would have got the following points for YBS
6th place= 1 point
5th place= 2 points
4th Place = 3 points
3rd Place = 4 points
2nd Place = 5 points
1st Place = 6 points

and Dyke came 3rd so you would have got the following points for dyke
6th Place = 3 points
5th Place = 4 points
4th Place = 5 points
3rd Place = 6 points
2nd Place = 5 points
1st Place = 4 points

The results are:

Leisa 26
4BarsRest 24
Toby 24
Twigglet 22
hoppiebari 21
Dyl 20
PC 20
John Flugel 19
markyboy 19
Naruco 19
Iggmeister 18
Roger Thorne 18
EbHorny 18
Nadia 17
Yorkie19 16
Andy_Euph 16
NAS 16
Ploughboy 16
Whatsharp 15
Iyoung 15
big_benthomson 15
Mutsuji 14
Borfeo 14
Darth Tuba 12
Peterbale 12
floraldance 12
Maestro 11
Beard_4b 11
Sparkly 10
Baritone Impesanio 0
Flugelatbr 0

Seems 4bars did quite well with their predictions and I did rubbish... well done Leisa!

leisa

13.09.2003, 21:06

hehe!! maybe i'm not so dumb after-all!! :shock: :shock: :)

markyboy

13.09.2003, 21:22

Congratulations Leisa! As promised I'll send you a Pennine Brass cd, hope you enjoy it. Please leave me a pm with your address and I'll post it to you.

leisa

13.09.2003, 21:58

oooh didn't know i won a prize!!!! isn't it exciting?? :) :P

ploughboy

13.09.2003, 22:16

well done to the YBS guys, mick particully

well done Jim, moving to Edingburgh not too bad after all!!

well done ever one! even the barman!!!

Roger Thorne

13.09.2003, 22:52

oooh didn't know i won a prize!!!! isn't it exciting?? :) :P
In fact you've one two prizes. As well as the CD from Pennine Brass I offered to donate a piece of music to the winner, so again PM me your address and I will send off your prize.

:wink:

Sellers_Bird

14.09.2003, 00:33

jus got back from the open... very tiring but great day! glad to say i met a few Tmp'ers down there...shame the bar is sooooooooo expensive dammit! congrats to everyone who played!

On the Horn

14.09.2003, 02:27

Got back myself a while ago - amazing day out, think it was a fair result - wow the conductor of the American band was quite active!

Bariman

14.09.2003, 07:41

Thanks for doing the calculations sparkling-quavers.

I know I started this but I'm gald you finished it - saved me all the brain ache!

sparkling_quavers

14.09.2003, 10:08

As well as the CD from Pennine Brass I offered to donate a piece of music to the winner, so again PM me your address and I will send off your prize.

:wink:

ooo wahey Rog what piece of music has leisa won?

Straightmute

14.09.2003, 10:18

Had a great day and a nightmare journey home, but hey...

YBS were terrific - I had Brighouse, Cory and Dyke next, in that order.

Planets turned out to be quite a test for some bands but I'm looking forward to hearing some 'proper band music' again.

Good to meet up with so many from tMP. Hope Roger's car was not clamped!

D

leisa

14.09.2003, 10:51

wahey!! flixton-ites will be happy!!! :lol:

leisa

14.09.2003, 11:06

Well done to ybs! and dyke! does any1 know if C.Wood was playin perc with dyke? whio came in the middle? well done to them too!!!!

deave

14.09.2003, 12:10

I had YBS and Cory as my top two, for me YBS had something magic which other bands got nowhere near! Just like 'Les Preludes' they didn't stick to an Orchestral interp but what they did really worked for brass band. Faireys Jupiter was amazing, such a shame Venus didn't come off!! I thought Whitburn were v good, but what did them good was their consistancy, no real slip ups and a v nice band sound.

Great performers on the day for me were, Dyke & Cory Euph, Cory & Ever Ready Flugel, Sop Cory, Dyke(so controlled) and Cornet CWS.

Sellers_Bird

14.09.2003, 12:33

oh my god deave..u almost sound like a BOC! :wink:

Aidan

14.09.2003, 13:13

hehe :) deave..? boc?? nar :P

Mark Bousie

14.09.2003, 13:31

yes deave, you're putting me to shame!

Seriously though, a good day, but for me the piece didn't quite come off. Hope the organisers bring back the policy on commissioning new works next year, for me the contest seemed to lack the buzz of previous opens, maybe because the music was so familiar. Venus did sort the bands out, infact almost too much as almost every band had accidents and this became a bit of a leveller! Didn't hear Whitburn, but congratulations to them.
Can't disagree with the result too much, although I'm sure Cory will feel more than a little unlucky with their placing. YBS gave a very classy performance though.

Touche deave-the BOC title is mine again!

Darth_Tuba

14.09.2003, 14:10

Well done to YBS. They had all the right soloists in all the right places for this one! They seem to keep winning it every other year too! :D

As regards our result, 14th was pefectly fair. Venus went very awry on stage and we never recovered, no matter how good Jupiter was going to be :( The mobile phone was a tad annoying, but I'm sure we weren't the only band who had this happen? How hard is it for people to switch the ****** things off! :evil:

Roger Thorne

14.09.2003, 14:24

To be fare I heard 14 bands and only heard one mobile phone ring. I know this is one too many, and I agree it is damn annoying that this happens. But I think the audience yesterday did make a big effort.

What did annoy me though was the amount of people who had coughing fits at the beginning of the performances and the constant noise of sweets packets being opened. :evil:

Ban Mobile Phones, Sweets, and issue cough drops with every programme!

:wink:

IYOUNG

14.09.2003, 14:37

Hi everyone,

Excellent day yesterday, I agree the test whilst enjoyable lacked that something special because it was so well known. Still definitely sorted the bands out.

For me YBS were outstanding and whilst points are a bit of a waste of time would have been interested to see how far ahead they were. For the other top 5 things were about right, but I was amazed at the different tempo's adopted by the MD's.
I too thought B&R put up a top show, but it was tempo wise different to the others and maybe that cost still it worked for me.
Agree maybe Cory can feel a little hard done by.

How nice to see two differing adjudicators for a change with an experienced head. I'm all for that and a result that you couldn't really argue with that much.

Just one minor complaint, surely it isn't too much to ask to get the band representatives there waiting at 19.00pm to come on to the stage is it for the awards ceremony? everyone must know this is required, it took nearly 25 minutes to get started!

Ian Young
Marlow Band

Pythagoras

14.09.2003, 14:40

What does BOC stand for? Gathered that its someone who knows too much about banding but what's the derivation of the term?

Roger Thorne

14.09.2003, 14:44

Please do not answer that on the forum! :shock:

All has been explained!

:wink:

deave

14.09.2003, 15:04

I can't beleive how much of a Boc I have become! Yesterday was the first time in my life I've listened to two bands on the trot and been sober!!

I did enjoy it tho, was a good day!!

Something completely off topic but if just discovered a band called 'deave' on www.deave.com and also a dictionary definition of it...here goes:

Deave

\Deave\, v. t. [See Deafen.]
To stun or stupefy with noise; to deafen. [Scot.]

Pythagoras

14.09.2003, 16:06

Please do not answer that on the forum! :shock:

All has been explained!

:wink:

Thanks Roger :oops:

carlwoodman

14.09.2003, 16:11

The mobile phone was a tad annoying, but I'm sure we weren't the only band who had this happen? How hard is it for people to switch the ****** things off!

My wife and I went to a Prom concert a few weeks ago, Berlin Philharmonic conducted by Sir Simon Rattle. They had to start 'The Rite of Spring' again as a mobile phone went off in the opening bars of solo bassoon and this was live on Radio 3!

I hadn't been to the Open for a few years and was quite disappointed in audience reaction to a slip/clip/split etc. It's really bad manners when there is a reaction from the audience but I hope those on stage don't hear them.

Mark Bousie

14.09.2003, 16:38

I agree! The reaction of some of the audience was surprising to say the least. Venus was very taxing and I think I'd be right in saying alot of those in the audience who couldn't help themself have no idea what its like to play under that kind of pressure. No matter who you are slips do happen occasionally, its the quality of what you do right that makes you a great player. Thats why the players sat on the end chairs in the top bands are there.

Darth_Tuba

14.09.2003, 18:09

I hadn't been to the Open for a few years and was quite disappointed in audience reaction to a slip/clip/split etc. It's really bad manners when there is a reaction from the audience but I hope those on stage don't hear them.

I personally couldn't hear any of this from on stage, and I had plenty of time sat there listening with that bass part! :wink: It is terrible to hear the sharp intakes of breath etc. as a soloist makes and error or splits. Not so much for that soloist, but it isn't the best thing to hear if you are the next one to play a solo!

stephen2001

14.09.2003, 18:51

Had a great day and a nightmare journey home, but hey...

Me too, stuck in a train with a load of paraletic Peterborough fans, was a little bit annoying to say the least!

Regarding Mobiles, I only heard one from where I was sat in the lower circle. I think the staff at the doors should tell people to turn the wretched things off before they enter the audotorium, particularly at big contests where people are constantly coming and going between performances.

Illinois, the American Band I think did very well, all things considered, but for me they didn't have a typical full brass band sound like Dyke, YBS, B&R etc, and it showed at times, particulary in Jupiter.

For me, I had YBS top, then either Cory or Brighouse, then Dyke, Ever Ready and Fairey completing the top 6.

I did try and do some tMP people spotting around the bar, but, it was a little bit crowded, plus when you don't really know who you are looking for!!!!

Just as a little aside, does anyone know why were Every Ready wearing black bands on their left arm?

Darth_Tuba

14.09.2003, 18:58

Just as a little aside, does anyone know why were Every Ready wearing black bands on their left arm?

This was in memory of Colin Johnson, a player from the band who died in August: http://www.4barsrest.com/news/detail.asp?id=1360

Darth_Tuba

14.09.2003, 19:33

Just found out we are down to the grand shield after this result :cry: Anyone confirm this?

stephen2001

14.09.2003, 19:34

mikey.smithy

14.09.2003, 19:57

Yes, I'm fairly sure that the relegated bands from this year will be Leyland and Travelsphere.

I think the real aim is to whittle the open down to 14-16 bands over time and it will cetainly get rid of some otherwise very good bands. Very much like the premiership now isn't it with only 6-7 guaranteed survival. I think it will catch them unawares soon though if one of the real big boys is up for relegation.

Cynical I know but probably correct. Interesting to see what would have happened this year with Grimethorpe carrying a 14th place. 11th would have seen them go out instead of Leyland. Bets on them ever being in the Grand Shield please.

Mike

Naomi McFadyen

14.09.2003, 20:04

4BR has an article about the regulations...
Looks like us and Besses...
only time will tell now... sit back, and wait impatiently :?

Darth_Tuba

14.09.2003, 20:08

I hear that 3 bands are going down, which makes it us, travelsphere and besses. Should be a tough grand shield next year!

Tom

14.09.2003, 21:23

Congratulations to YBS but also to Whitburn and Gordon Jenkins - Scotland's best ever result at the Open

Cornetto

14.09.2003, 22:19

I personally couldn't hear any of this from on stage, and I had plenty of time sat there listening with that bass part! :wink: It is terrible to hear the sharp intakes of breath etc. as a soloist makes and error or splits. Not so much for that soloist, but it isn't the best thing to hear if you are the next one to play a solo![/quote]

I couldn't either but apparently the whole hall took a sharp intake on one of our big yoedling incidents which I think is just well out of order. Its a sad fact that at least half of the audience is there to hear you mess up, just a shame those people have to make it so obvious that thats the reason they're there.

iggmeister

14.09.2003, 23:24

I heard 12 of the 18 bands on saturday and thought that the results were about right save Cory who I had down to win it. I actually preferred YBS's performance but I thought that Cory were closest to what was on my short score.

I heard the gasps etc and there were plenty of them with many 'big names' having a bad day at the office but that's part and parcel of contesting.

As for the mobile phone it sounded more like a watch alarm to me- in fact someone suggested to me it was one of the players on stage- perhaps the Leyland boys can confirm whether this is true. Nevertheless, the 'announcement' made by the compere afterwards was out of order in my book. He spoke to the audience like a bunch of idiots. All but possibly one of them were innocent. Further, just as B & R were about to play there was loads of talking which could be heard on stage from where the compere had just headed off.

Igg

Brian Kelly

14.09.2003, 23:39

I heard all but 2 of the bands on Saturday, and agreed (more or less) with the prize - winners. Some bands who I thought played well came a bit too far down the list in my opinion, e.g. Besses, and I thought that Illinois Brass should have come higher than 16. (the 2 bands I missed were Ever Ready and Leyland, so I can't make a comment on either of them).Part of the fun of contesting, I suppose! :D

What puzzles me is that (naming no names) certain bands played extremely well the week before at the Bridgewater Hall but not so well at Birmingham, while others did not seem to be on top form at Bridgewater Hall but were firing on all cylinders at Birmingham. :?

baritone impresario

15.09.2003, 09:26

just like to say that although the result for us was awful :cry:its the taking part that matters .yes everytime we go to a contest we all want to win but we didn't play too well and the rest is history.but if you look at us this time last year we were dead and buried but with determination we came back and altough we came last how many bands would swap places with us.i personally am gutted but we have to move on just like the other bands who have been relegated to the shield.there is no shame at playing in the shield yes we all want to play in the open but the shield is a fantastic competition,well run ,a great weekend awayand a great trophy to win.two years ago if somebody had said to me play in the open then go in shield and win and go back to open but you might come last ,i would have snapped their hand off.
p.s on sat heard that desford are in shield next year.remeber keep smiling!!!!!!!!!!!
NICK HARRIS, PROUD TO PLAY FOR CARLTON MAIN FRICKLEY COLLIERY

allanw

15.09.2003, 09:33

Just wanted to add my congratulations to the prizewinners on Saturday, particularly Whitburn who by all accounts fully deserved their 2nd place. Great result guys and also well done to Gordon Jenkins on winning the solo prize! Hope the heads hurt big style on Sunday!!

15.09.2003, 10:02

Yip Allan, i have to agree congratulations to all at Whitburn and to Gordon fine show, there is no pressure on you know mate!!!!!
Ps revenge will be sweat at the Scottish open! :twisted:

Tom

15.09.2003, 10:06

I hope you mean sweet Bart - I don't want to see you sweat at any time let alone at the Scottish Open

Darth_Tuba

15.09.2003, 10:16

As for the mobile phone it sounded more like a watch alarm to me- in fact someone suggested to me it was one of the players on stage- perhaps the Leyland boys can confirm whether this is true. Nevertheless, the 'announcement' made by the compere afterwards was out of order in my book. He spoke to the audience like a bunch of idiots. All but possibly one of them were innocent.

It was indeed a mobile phone, but was not a ringtone, just a very loud text message alert. It wasn't a member of the band, it was an audience member on the front few rows, as they could clearly be seen by us diving for their handbag. Not blaming this in any way, shape or form for our poor performance. However, we made a complaint straight after coming off stage hence the announcement. Announcements about mobiles should be made before every performance in my opinion... not just at the start of the day. People come in and out of the hall all day and some people will forget to check!

KennyC

15.09.2003, 10:47

Thanks guys.

The heads are still hurting and will probably still be this time next week. One of the best things about Saturday was the genuine warmth of the congratulations we received from the other Scottish bands, also from Cory and Illinois who were unfortunate enough to be in our hotel on Saturday night. I pity and apologise to the poor American soprano player who was stuck in the lift at 3 am with the Bradleys, Andy Shaw and myself. What a party!

Bart:- your speeling is a blody discrage. Don't you have a speelchoker on that computter?

Kenny
Whitburn Band

Les Wood

15.09.2003, 12:02

Well done to YBS, and also to Whitburn - just shows that hard work (and good playing!) can pay off. Great result guys and special mention to Gordon and Andy Duncan. Couldn't have happened to two nicer blokes.

Les Wood
Kirkintilloch Band

asteria

15.09.2003, 12:41

4BR has an article about the regulations...
Looks like us and Besses...
only time will tell now... sit back, and wait impatiently :?

Just hope you don't have to wait long.... we're still waiting to find out if we've stayed in the Grand Shield!
Think we have done, just, and i heard it was besses and leyland going down too, should be an interesting contest next year!

Naomi McFadyen

15.09.2003, 12:45

Quite...
and yes, I'm sure it will be a very interesting contest!

Heather

15.09.2003, 13:20

You certainly don't expect a band like Leyland to have to qualify for the Open but I suppose its a sign of the times and it is nice to see some new up and coming Bands being noticed now.
It just shows how standards are evening out.

Heather

15.09.2003, 13:21

...by 'new' I don't mean they are new bands. I mean they are new to the section!

Darth_Tuba

15.09.2003, 13:26

Travelsphere are definately down. Ourselves and besses are tied on aggregate points for the last two years, but If they take this years result as the tie break we will be down. They may relegate 3 bands though. It's pretty certain we'll be down. I think it's just Besses who aren't sure. I was enjoying going to the Shield just for the beers too! :roll:

iggmeister

15.09.2003, 14:11

It was indeed a mobile phone, but was not a ringtone, just a very loud text message alert. It wasn't a member of the band, it was an audience member on the front few rows, as they could clearly be seen by us diving for their handbag. Not blaming this in any way, shape or form for our poor performance. However, we made a complaint straight after coming off stage hence the announcement. Announcements about mobiles should be made before every performance in my opinion... not just at the start of the day. People come in and out of the hall all day and some people will forget to check!

I agree. A reminder perhaps every 2 bands would be sensible. I can assure you that it wasn't my phone which got nicked by somebody who has caused me a great deal of hassle having to cancel SIM cards etc etc.

There was quite a lot of noise about. Some old geezers in front of me decided to take out their packed lunches right in the middle of the quiet stuff. Even worse we were in the choir seats and you cant get away with making too much noise there. I thhink part of the problem is that the acoustic in the Hall is so good that all noises carry.

I have to say though that the choir seats are the best- you really get to see what goes on. Weird noises from the conductors, glock players with nerves which looked like they had the DTs!

Igg

PeterBale

16.09.2003, 12:23

No real quibble over the results, although I thought Cory would have been higher, despite odd untidiness - they got a tremendous reception when they took the stage on Sunday. I also would have placed Leyland higher for their fine "Jupiter".

One general comment: very few bands took the quiet sections at the right level, particularly in "Venus", and most didn't make enough of the grading between f < ff < fff - very notable in Cory and YBS, and really brought their performances to life.

In general, I am in favour of Open Adjudication, which could have picked up quite a bit of part-switching - particularly covering back row cornet parts with the front row, but it is interesting to note that I was put off the Whitburn performance visually, rather than musically, and had tended to discount it! I should like the chance to listen to it again, without the distracting "hand-vibrato" effect, to see if it changes my view.

It was certainly a day for the sops and flugels to shine - as well as the horns - and most rose to the challenge well.

ibrox

16.09.2003, 14:01

Hi there - I've just found the forum and it looks great.

I enjoyed Saturday but was disappointed with the test piece - thought it was a bit of a cop out and would have much rather listen to average performances of something like Maunsell Forts than this.

One thing I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned was the use of mutes by YBS, particularly the cornets who seemed to have four or five different varieties, when they weren't marked on the score. The performance was brilliant but this is something they often do and seem to get away with!

Also, what happened to Fodens? They were one of my favourites to win at the outset but the performance was very poor and I think they were lucky to get seventh. I know they had an early draw but that's not a good excuse when the contest starts at midday.

Finally, well done to Whitburn - much deserved!

David

Flugelatbr

17.09.2003, 11:25

i have to disagree about the choice of test piece being dissapointing, I thought it proved to be an impressive choice. It wasn't technically difficult, compared to the likes of Masquerade, but found it to be extremely mentally demanding on the band especially on the soloists - sop & Flug. I do agree with the top two spots but feel the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th were in the wrong order. For me YBS, Whitburn, B&R, Cory, Dyke and Fairies - But thats contesting as they say....... :hammer

BottyBurp

17.09.2003, 12:18

I think it was an excellent choice test! How many bands played it perfectly?

PeterBale

17.09.2003, 12:57

I also felt it worked as a test piece, but also felt that the most satisfying performances were those where the conductor made it clear he wanted to link the two movements together - even if he then waited, we didn't get the coughing and disturbance in the same way, so maybe they should have marked a "segue" in between them.

Anglo Music Press

17.09.2003, 13:08

[quote="ibrox"]
I enjoyed Saturday but was disappointed with the test piece - thought it was a bit of a cop out and would have much rather listen to average performances of something like Maunsell Forts than this.

I was initially dubious about using an arrangement this year, but it is a superb arrangement and made the MDs think about style a bit more than usual - they couldn't just play it like a brass band piece

ibrox

17.09.2003, 15:13

Don't get me wrong, I too think the arrangement is superb, and it clearly provided a test judging by the number of problems it caused to the bands. However, my preference would have been to hear an original composition for band rather than an arrangement, however good that arrangement might be.

David