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mikelyons
29.03.2005, 21:19
S'ok Folks. No need to panic. The big man has saved the day for us all.

He has fought them on the beaches, he has fought them .... (can't remember the rest :oops: )

Naomi's fate shall not be ours.:clap: :clap: :clap:

Three cheers for John!

DublinBass
29.03.2005, 21:24
huh?

yonhee
29.03.2005, 21:25
You what?

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 21:29
See, he went into action so smoothly you never even noticed.

yonhee
29.03.2005, 21:30
erm cant you tell us what your on about?

DublinBass
29.03.2005, 21:31
I know Naomi lost tMP for a bit...
I'm guessing John fixed it...
is that the entire story?

yonhee
29.03.2005, 21:33
I know Naomi lost tMP for a bit...
I'm guessing John fixed it...
is that the entire story?
Ooh well done John :clap: *goes back to sleep*

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 21:33
It did it again tonight. while we were playing.

yonhee
29.03.2005, 21:37
It did it again tonight. while we were playing.
*wakes up* is that when it went onto some funny page?

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 21:38
Good grief - the preciousssss notissssssed

yonhee
29.03.2005, 21:42
Good grief - the preciousssss notissssssed
course i noticed! Whats all the ssssss about?

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 21:46
sorry, LOTR moment. The gollum personality took over for a moment, precioussss hobbitssssez

yonhee
29.03.2005, 21:48
sorry, LOTR moment. The gollum personality took over for a moment, precioussss hobbitssssez
OK. Now I know why Im scared of you....

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 21:57
OK. Now I know why Im scared of you....

And why is that little ssssssseal creature, preciousssss?

yonhee
29.03.2005, 22:00
And why is that little ssssssseal creature, preciousssss?
not sure really, possibly because you dont like kids, possibly because you confuse me. Or most likely a mixture of stuff.

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 22:11
topic

John deserves a thank you, don't you think?

yonhee
29.03.2005, 22:18
topic

John deserves a thank you, don't you think?
You were off topic aswell.

Thanks John :biggrin:

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 22:21
I don't deny it, but then I'm easily led astray. ;)

yonhee
29.03.2005, 22:22
You started it!

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 22:24
did not!

yonhee
29.03.2005, 22:27
you did!

mikelyons
29.03.2005, 22:28
prove it!

yonhee
29.03.2005, 22:31
Good grief - the preciousssss notissssssed
there thats when you went off topic.

Jan H
29.03.2005, 23:48
I'd like to nominate this thread for most funny thread of the year

:hammer

DublinBass
30.03.2005, 00:43
there thats when you went off topic.

That was the evil gollum that went off topic...Mike would never go off topic.

mikelyons
30.03.2005, 09:59
I thank you.


See Preciousssss! :p

mikelyons
30.03.2005, 10:02
Good grief - the preciousssss notissssssed.there thats when you went off topic

It was merely a witty remark in context that you noticed when John had to do emergency repairs! Hardly off topic ;)

mikelyons
30.03.2005, 10:04
I'd like to nominate this thread for most funny thread of the year

:hammer


Early days yet, Jan, but thanks muchly for the thought.

Entirely accidental of course, pure natural genius doesn't even come into it.


All the precioussssssses did help a little. Esssspessssssially the little sssssssseal preciousssssss. [yum, yum]

Naomi McFadyen
30.03.2005, 12:00
It did it again tonight. while we were playing.

It didn't effect me at all last night ;-)

laurz_oconnor
30.03.2005, 15:09
Thanx to john (see i stay on topi :P) and is this all u ppl do at night just argue over who went off topic first lolz :)

yonhee
30.03.2005, 17:24
Mike quit with all the sssssssss :frown:
And you cant eat seals! :mad:
And you wondered why i was scared of you....

Thanks though John :tup I was well scared :rolleyes:

brasscrest
30.03.2005, 17:47
And you cant eat seals Jan! :mad:


Yes, you can. The Inuit in Alaska do it all the time.

So do polar bears and orcas.

(John rocks!! :tup )

Jan H
30.03.2005, 18:01
Mike an Jan quit with all the sssssssss :frown:
And you cant eat seals Jan! :mad:
And you wondered why i was scared of you....
What did I do? :eek::eek::eek:
I only said I found this thread very funny (I still do!)
Why were you scared of me?

No I 'm confused! :confused::confused::confused:


oh, and by the way, I didn't notice the tMP problems at all... Luckily it wasn't as bad as that time when the whole of tMP went offline for a couple of days and we all had to move to a temporary forum somewhere else... :eek:

yonhee
30.03.2005, 18:10
What did I do? :eek::eek::eek:
I only said I found this thread very funny (I still do!)
Why were you scared of me?

No I 'm confused! :confused::confused::confused:


oh, and by the way, I didn't notice the tMP problems at all... Luckily it wasn't as bad as that time when the whole of tMP went offline for a couple of days and we all had to move to a temporary forum somewhere else... :eek:
oops i thought you had started saying ssssss you didnt it was mike again soooooorry
so im not scared of you anymore...
*goes and edits post*
What you made a whole new forum just cos tmp was offline?

Jan H
30.03.2005, 18:14
No John made the new forum of course. It was funny for a while. I think we had to use it for a week or so. Everybody used different usernames, so it was also quite confusing :D

yonhee
30.03.2005, 18:15
Yes, you can. The Inuit in Alaska do it all the time.

So do polar bears and orcas.

(John rocks!! :tup )
Really?
I dont think i wanna be a seal anymore... :frown:
John are there any avatars of somthing that doesnt get eaten? But it still has to be a animal...

mikelyons
30.03.2005, 19:36
Smeagol is feeling a little peckish for the preciousssss!






Did I miss something? ;)

yonhee
30.03.2005, 19:42
Smeagol is feeling a little peckish for the preciousssss!






Did I miss something? ;)
:frown:
Scary Smeagol

mikelyons
30.03.2005, 21:03
be afraid.....



be very afraid.....



be very very afraid.....





Precioussssssss sealses! (yum)

yonhee
30.03.2005, 21:15
be afraid.....



be very afraid.....



be very very afraid.....





Precioussssssss sealses! (yum)
:cry: dont be nasty gollum :cry:

mikelyons
30.03.2005, 21:23
why not? it's in the nature of gollums to be nasty ;)

yonhee
30.03.2005, 21:29
why not? it's in the nature of gollums to be nasty ;)
cos its scary and it upsets me :cry:

mikelyons
30.03.2005, 21:31
and your point is...?

yonhee
30.03.2005, 21:36
and your point is...?
what i said before do you like upseting me?

Naomi McFadyen
31.03.2005, 07:52
mmm, maybe this thread should be re-titled to the "Mike Lyons is really Smeagol" thread..... :rolleyes: ;)

you guys certainly know how to go off topic in a flash :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: geeesh

mikelyons
31.03.2005, 14:26
Did someone flash? Aren't flashes/flashing illegal? Can they touch you for it?

It's not my fault you lot are all missing out on a chance to praise John for his timely intervention, which prevented an outbreak of world-wide panic as tMP went down due to a damaged database!

Think how you felt, woman! Your addiction is so deeply ingrained now you could not survive cold turkey again!

Nurse, Nurse! I'd like to go for a lie down, now, the precioussss iss not online [sobs] preciousss.......precioussss..

yonhee
31.03.2005, 19:53
Did someone flash? Aren't flashes/flashing illegal? Can they touch you for it?

It's not my fault you lot are all missing out on a chance to praise John for his timely intervention, which prevented an outbreak of world-wide panic as tMP went down due to a damaged database!

Think how you felt, woman! Your addiction is so deeply ingrained now you could not survive cold turkey again!

Nurse, Nurse! I'd like to go for a lie down, now, the precioussss iss not online [sobs] preciousss.......precioussss..
You what?
What flashed?
Me confused.

Naomi McFadyen
31.03.2005, 21:41
If you look at the comment before Mikes, I said that "you guys certainly know how to go off topic in a flash"....

Forgive Mike... he's getting old and losing it a bit ;-) so his humour is a bit thin :p



You what?
What flashed?
Me confused.

yonhee
31.03.2005, 21:45
If you look at the comment before Mikes, I said that "you guys certainly know how to go off topic in a flash"....

Forgive Mike... he's getting old and losing it a bit ;-) so his humour is a bit thin :p
He might kill you for that...
Hes a scary gollum/smeagol thing...

mikelyons
31.03.2005, 23:02
precioussssss...


Humour.. arf, arf, feeling hungry for ssssealses, and maybe naomises......


Oy, not that old.

's it windy, no I think it's thursday.. so'm I - let's have a cup of tea

Naomi McFadyen
01.04.2005, 09:36
He might kill you for that...
Hes a scary gollum/smeagol thing...

errrr, no... I doubt that.... :rolleyes:

HorniKaz
01.04.2005, 10:02
Back on topic!!

Well done John, you're a star & our Naomi is back where she belongs



(Mike - think you need therapy!!)

yonhee
01.04.2005, 17:12
precioussssss...


Humour.. arf, arf, feeling hungry for ssssealses, and maybe naomises......


Oy, not that old.

's it windy, no I think it's thursday.. so'm I - let's have a cup of tea
what?

mikelyons
01.04.2005, 17:52
It's the last line that's important and indicative of my mental state.:rolleyes:

Try to keep up dear.

mikelyons
01.04.2005, 17:54
Back on topic!!

(Mike - think you need therapy!!)

Oooh! 'Ark at 'er! Mr. 'Orne, wotever next!

yonhee
01.04.2005, 17:55
It's the last line that's important and indicative of my mental state.:rolleyes:

Try to keep up dear.
im not good at keeping up :(
Can you go a bit slower?

Lil Miss
06.04.2005, 07:09
^
is like me (i'm not the only one who gets confused)

yonhee
07.04.2005, 21:01
It's the last line that's important and indicative of my mental state.:rolleyes:

Try to keep up dear.
Oooh i get it now! I think... Well maybe i dont but i might... That didnt make any sense did it? Im confused Smeagol :( :-?

Lil Miss
08.04.2005, 02:57
there there....i wouldn't worry too much

yonhee
08.04.2005, 22:54
there there....i wouldn't worry too much
But i want to know now...

TIMBONE
10.04.2005, 23:37
Mike, I have two Lyons in my band, but they are not Lyons, just singular, Lyon(s), which I discovered when I asked them if they were related to you, because they are totally mad as well!!!:biggrin:

mikelyons
11.04.2005, 15:52
Mike, I have two Lyons in my band, but they are not Lyons, just singular, Lyon(s), which I discovered when I asked them if they were related to you, because they are totally mad as well!!!:biggrin:

They are obviously from the shallower end of the gene pool, Tim as they have lost their 's' (unless they are Mrs, of course, in which case it has just moved - this is caused by a chromasomal infarction in the lower end of one of the X chromosomes - inherited from the distaff side of the family.)

Lyons (without the 's' seem quite common in this part of the country, whereas the Lyons' are much more common in Bolton. There were three of us at Thornleigh at the same time, two of us sharing the exact same christian names as well.

I'm afflicted, (you've noticed ;)) by children constantly asking me if I'm married or otherwise related to one or other of two Mrs Lyons (one 's') in school and it's a waste of time to point out that the 's' is in the wrong place, so I variably say 'yes' or 'no' to either or both depending on how rash I'm feeling or possibly '****** off you illiterate child an stop pestering your betters.' if I'm tired.

There are only three things I truly hate... Children, children and mmmm... children.


Are these Lyons Eb players or Bb? That could make an interesting thesis. Does the lack of an 's' in some way inhibit musicality? ;) (All 3 Lyons' were Eb - 2 horns and a bass - me)

yonhee
11.04.2005, 20:40
They are obviously from the shallower end of the gene pool, Tim as they have lost their 's' (unless they are Mrs, of course, in which case it has just moved - this is caused by a chromasomal infarction in the lower end of one of the X chromosomes - inherited from the distaff side of the family.)

Lyons (without the 's' seem quite common in this part of the country, whereas the Lyons' are much more common in Bolton. There were three of us at Thornleigh at the same time, two of us sharing the exact same christian names as well.

I'm afflicted, (you've noticed ;)) by children constantly asking me if I'm married or otherwise related to one or other of two Mrs Lyons (one 's') in school and it's a waste of time to point out that the 's' is in the wrong place, so I variably say 'yes' or 'no' to either or both depending on how rash I'm feeling or possibly '****** off you illiterate child an stop pestering your betters.' if I'm tired.

There are only three things I truly hate... Children, children and mmmm... children.


Are these Lyons Eb players or Bb? That could make an interesting thesis. Does the lack of an 's' in some way inhibit musicality? ;) (All 3 Lyons' were Eb - 2 horns and a bass - me)
Are you allowed to say that to them?
Erm theyre all the same....
Why do hate children?
An why the hell are you a teacher if you hate children? that just makes no sense...

mikelyons
11.04.2005, 22:51
Whoooooooooooosssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! The precioussss doesn't undersssstand adult humour again! :rolleyes:
[sighs expressively]

TIMBONE
11.04.2005, 23:27
..:biggrin:

mikelyons
13.04.2005, 21:22
possibility of danger award here, maybe ;)

yonhee
14.04.2005, 21:20
Whoooooooooooosssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! The precioussss doesn't undersssstand adult humour again! :rolleyes:
[sighs expressively]
Why would i? im not a adult. But it still doesnt make ay sense.

mikelyons
14.04.2005, 22:51
Are you allowed to say that to them? If nobody else is watching/listening - YES!

Erm theyre all the same.... My word, you're observant!

Why do hate children?I don't

An why the hell are you a teacher if you hate children? that just makes no sense...What is a teacher's job? Think about it.

yonhee
16.04.2005, 13:30
If nobody else is watching/listening - YES!
Thats evil.... They could tell somone though...

My word, you're observant!
Im not i only noticed a building that id walked past every morning for 2 years a week ago...

I don't
SO why did you say that you do?

What is a teacher's job? Think about it.
To teach people?

mikelyons
16.04.2005, 14:15
Im not i only noticed a building that id walked past every morning for 2 years a week ago...
That is called irony. I was being ironic. Irony is wasted on children, that's why so many of them are walking about in creased clothing.


SO why did you say that you do?
So, I lie. Maybe.


To teach people?

No, you didn't think about it.

yonhee
16.04.2005, 14:22
That is called irony. I was being ironic. Irony is wasted on children, that's why so many of them are walking about in creased clothing.


So, I lie. Maybe.



No, you didn't think about it.
I did think about it, thats what teachers do, teach. So if it isnt teach then what is it?

mikelyons
16.04.2005, 14:35
I did think about it, thats what teachers do, teach. So if it isnt teach then what is it?

OK, don't take this personally, it's not necessarily directed at you (you are more likely to be an exception anyway as a musician).

We help to make children grow up. We see more of you than most of your parents do. We give you the skills necessary to prepare you for adulthood - or at least we try. Not that you ungrateful little beggars appreciate it one bit, or realise that what we are doing is ultimately for your benefit, not ours and that sometimes I would cheerfully strangle any number of you and your parents both for your ingratitude, laziness and the increasing level of abuse we have to suffer.

Not only do we have to put up with a low valuation by you and your thoughtless parents, we also have to take the blame when you ignore our advice, when you fail to produce the work you are asked for - which is given to you for practice to help improve your chances of success - and when you fail your exams through your own stupidity.

Some of you seem to think you are doing your teachers a favour when you hand in your inept attempts at plagiarism and think that we will be pleased and praise you when you manage to spell your own name correctly or hand a piece of work in within 6 weeks of the deadline date you were given.

Wrong!


There I feel MUCH better now.

Mods: I'm sorry. This is so far off topic that I won't be surprised if you cut it, however, in mitigation I feel so much better now that it was worth it. M.

yonhee
16.04.2005, 14:42
OK, don't take this personally, it's not necessarily directed at you (you are more likely to be an exception anyway as a musician).

We help to make children grow up. We see more of you than most of your parents do. We give you the skills necessary to prepare you for adulthood - or at least we try. Not that you ungrateful little beggars appreciate it one bit,or realise that what we are doing is ultimately for your benefit, not ours
Yeh we do!

and that sometimes I would cheerfully strangle any number of you and your parents both for your ingratitude, laziness and the increasing level of abuse we have to suffer.
Go ahead.... And i dont abuse teachers....

Not only do we have to put up with a low valuation by you and your thoughtless parents, we also have to take the blame when you ignore our advice, when you fail to produce the work you are asked for - which is given to you for practice to help improve your chances of success - and when you fail your exams through your own stupidity.

Some of you seem to think you are doing your teachers a favour when you hand in your inept attempts at plagiarism and think that we will be pleased and praise you when you manage to spell your own name correctly or hand a piece of work in within 6 weeks of the deadline date you were given.

Wrong!


There I feel MUCH better now.

Mods: I'm sorry. This is so far off topic that I won't be surprised if you cut it, however, in mitigation I feel so much better now that it was worth it. M.

yonhee
17.04.2005, 15:08
Oh yeh and hardly any of this thread is on topic so i dont think the mods will mind....

mikelyons
20.04.2005, 22:02
mostly because anything remotely theoretical whizzes past like a supersonic plane.

yonhee
22.04.2005, 12:54
evil...
Whats theoretical anyway?
Im still confused...

mikelyons
22.04.2005, 21:29
theoretical [thr réttik’l] or theoretic [thr réttik] adj
1. based on theory: about, involving, or based on theory 2. dealing with theory: dealing with theory or speculation rather than practical applications 3. speculative: inclined to or skilled in speculative contemplation or theorizing 4. hypothetical: existing only in theory

theory [thri] (plural theories) n
1. rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a particular subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice economic theories
2. speculation: abstract thought or contemplation 3. idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture She believed in the theory that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
4. hypothetical circumstances: a set of circumstances or principles that is hypothetical That’s the theory, but it may not work out in practice.
5. scientific principle to explain phenomena: a set of facts, propositions, or principles analysed in their relation to one another and used, especially in science, to explain phenomena

Courtesy of encarta dictionary.

brasscrest
22.04.2005, 22:11
Thank you, Mr. Lyons. I think yonhee will still be confused, but at least you've tried.:)

mikelyons
22.04.2005, 22:19
We live but to serve. ;)


(I fully expect the next question to be "What's a hypothetical?" and then will follow a whole can of beans or worms, whichever. What was that about fools and questions?)

yonhee
22.04.2005, 22:25
Its not my fault that i dont know what anything means.
Is hypothetical anything to do with hypothesis?

mikelyons
22.04.2005, 22:28
Do you know, I think we're witnessing a miracle!:clap:

Hypothetical is when you pretend something for the sake of argument - i.e. you say something is, so that you can then move on. A hypothesis is a supposition - you suppose something is true, again, usually for the sake of argument.

yonhee
22.04.2005, 22:31
Do you know, I think we're witnessing a miracle!:clap:

Hypothetical is when you pretend something for the sake of argument - i.e. you say something is, so that you can then move on. A hypothesis is a supposition - you suppose something is true, again, usually for the sake of argument.
Why?

mikelyons
23.04.2005, 20:35
because you want to give your opponent something they can compare with. It is supposed to make things easier to deal with. Of course the person who thought of the idea didn't know you would have such a problem with the concept.

yonhee
23.04.2005, 21:31
I dont get what thats got to do with miracles... :-?

mikelyons
24.04.2005, 07:23
Here we go again.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


The miracle here (and it was only a small one it seems) was that you appeared to understand something without having to be given a microscopically detailed explanation. It appears I was wrong.

yonhee
24.04.2005, 13:42
I do understand some stuff.

mikelyons
24.04.2005, 13:50
I know, but just not enough! :dunno

yonhee
24.04.2005, 13:50
not my fault

mikelyons
24.04.2005, 13:52
never said it was

yonhee
24.04.2005, 13:54
I still dont get it though.

HorniKaz
24.04.2005, 14:03
think we have the makings of a new thread entitled

Get Yonhee Confused

Sorry, all ready done.... in all of the threads!!

1, 2, 3..... ah bless her!!

yonhee
24.04.2005, 14:04
think we have the makings of a new thread entitled

Get Yonhee Confused

Sorry, all ready done.... in all of the threads!!

1, 2, 3..... ah bless her!!
not fair...

mikelyons
24.04.2005, 14:27
not fair...

Did I just hear a penny drop?

yonhee
24.04.2005, 14:28
What?

Jan H
24.04.2005, 15:00
A penny...

I think that's some sort of coin

yonhee
24.04.2005, 15:02
No i meant what are you on about...

Jan H
24.04.2005, 15:03
Me? or Mike?

yonhee
24.04.2005, 15:05
Mike, he always confuses me...

Jan H
24.04.2005, 15:28
Ah, I thought you meant me...

yonhee
24.04.2005, 15:33
nah youre not normally confusing i dont think...

mikelyons
24.04.2005, 21:25
It's a turn of phrase that means that someone has got the idea. It possibly originates with old fashioned penny operated machines/savings boxes. When you heard the penny drop, you had done it right.

(*the penny dropped used to say that you suddenly understood or realized something
(c) Encarta)

TIMBONE
25.04.2005, 00:25
If I may interrupt the mikelyons & yonhee show, (or is ita showdown).........wait a minute, I may be starting to use an analogy here, which could be a bit confusing. Anyway, as I was saying, page 5 of this thoroughly entertaining thread, (which began with some kind of topic which soon became an ad. lib.).....where was I? oh yes, page 5, it has gone all kind of elongated hasn't it, or is that just me?

mikelyons
25.04.2005, 06:46
Is this what you mean?
Whoooooooooooosssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! The precioussss doesn't undersssstand adult humour again! :rolleyes:
[sighs expressively]

I don't know HOW I did it, but yes. It is elongated. Perhaps this can be another example of SuperJohn coming to the rescue with an explanation before Timbone's brain explodes due to circular thinking......?

TIMBONE
25.04.2005, 11:31
As long as I don't explode like that alien did on Dr Who the other night :( I worry every time I break wind - not that I do on tMP of course :eek:

mikelyons
25.04.2005, 11:49
Just don't put vinegar on your chips! And don't drink any acidic wines ;)

yonhee
26.04.2005, 22:36
What language is ad lib from?

TIMBONE
26.04.2005, 23:05
What language is ad lib from?

Latin - AD LIBITUM. I don't know the literal translation, but it means 'do your own thing within reason'. In jazz music, it means that you can make up your own music within the rythmic and harmonic structure. In a cadenza it means a similar thing. Now you are going to ask me what cadenza is, well, I think it is Italian, so there's a start.

Mike Lyons, you have stretched the page again :hammer

mikelyons
27.04.2005, 18:22
ad libitum Early 17th century. From Latin , literally ‘at your pleasure’. shortened to ad lib. and often with a hyphen or full stop in the wrong place.

Tim's actual definition is correct. ad lib's also happen when jazz players make a mistake. Someone has a signature that quotes and ad lib is a mistake to the untrained ear - or words to that effect.

Cadenza: Italian from latin cadere : to rest. Same derivation as cadence.

A Cadence is a point of rest in music. Usually at the end of a phrase of the melody and at the end of the piece, movement, whatever. (I'm trying to keep this simple so it doesn't spawn 1/2 a million new questions). In pieces of solo music (air varies, concertos, sonatas etc) the soloist is often given a special extra hard bit to play. This usually comes just before the end of a movement (not always, usually). Because it comes near the end, it is near the cadence. Cadenzas were originally just decorated cadences, but, as usual with such things, they became a means of showing off big style. No soloist of any worth refuses to perform a cadenza - even if they make it up rather than play what's written. In fact, it is only in the Classical and Romantic periods that you actually get cadenzas written down. Before that, performers were expected to make up their own in appropriate places.

Shall I shut up now?

mikelyons
27.04.2005, 18:24
Mike Lyons, you have stretched the page again :hammer

I'm sorry, I'm sure. I was merely demonstrating what I thought had done it. Have you tried the effect in different views? It looks quite different in each.:confused:

yonhee
29.04.2005, 22:21
whys everything latin...

TIMBONE
30.04.2005, 00:29
whys everything latin...

Historically, the United Kingdom is a pot pourie of different cultures, which is why we have many words derived from other European languages, (pot pourie being one of them!). Until the 16th century, (someone correct me if I am wrong), anyway, it was King Henry VIII, the UK was a Roman Catholic stronghold. Anything important or official used the ancient Roman language (Latin) and Roman numerals, I II III IV V etc. Until the National Curriculum came in in the late 1980's, Latin was still taught in many secondary schools.

mikelyons
30.04.2005, 07:55
The English language is odd in that it has the ability to absord useful bits of other languages without losing its own identity.

This flexibility is probably due to the strange mix of romance languages (starting with Latin) and teutonic (German and Nordic) and with bits of old Saxon, Erse and other Celtic and so on. Although people (including myself) go on about Pure English, the language is really a mongrel. That's why it is one of the most dominant languages on Earth, after Binary and Chinese.

American English is a second generation mongrel with a further mix of Italian, Nordic, German, Yiddish and American Indian words. The advantage of US English over UK English is that it is simpler and more sonsistent in its use of spelling and, to an extent, its use of grammar. Unfortunately, in my opinion, it encourages laziness. One of the advantages of UK English, if you want to use it properly, is that you have to think carefully to make sure you are using it correctly.

I think you need a different mind-set to use US or UK English. Just my thoughts, no flaming please.

yonhee
30.04.2005, 15:40
My big bro does latin, well he did, i think...
If american english has easier grammar than english english then why cant we speak american english?
Whys thinking good?
How do your change your mind set?
*pokes head to see if anything happens*

mikelyons
30.04.2005, 17:34
Changing your mind-set means making yourself think differently

Because American English causes thoughts to be expressed less clearly than English English. I don't want to offend our American Friends, many of whom are on this forum, but American English is the result of too fluid a mixture of other languages. It tends to flow around concepts that English English actually penetrates. I appreciate that this is sometimes a good thing, on the principle that sometimes it's better not to know ;), but at the same time it promotes laziness in framing ones thoughts - a certain laissez faire attitude. Please, I know it's a gross generalisation and over simplification, but I don't really want to write a scientific paper on a brass band forum. Actually, maybe that's a good idea for a new thread.


Not only Naomi can come up with ideas :)

yonhee
30.04.2005, 17:39
Changing your mind-set means making yourself think differently
Oh. So poking my head doesnt do anything?


Because American English causes thoughts to be expressed less clearly than English English. I don't want to offend our American Friends, many of whom are on this forum, but American English is the result of too fluid a mixture of other languages. It tends to flow around concepts that English English actually penetrates. I appreciate that this s sometimes a good thing, on the principal that sometimes it's better not to know ;), but at the same time it promotes laziness in framing ones thoughts - a certain laissez faire attitude. Pleae, I know it's a gross generalisation and over simplification, but I don't really want to write a scientific paper on a brass band forum. Actually, maybe that's a good idea for a new thread.


Not only Naomi can come up with ideas :)
Are you gonna write a scientific paper in a new thread?
If you are can you use easy words please?
Erm and what does laissez faire mean?

mikelyons
30.04.2005, 17:54
It kind of means "Do what you want", with the implication that it doesn't matter if it's a bit wrong as long as it's understood.


(*I really hate that. If it's worth doing it's worth doing properly!:mad: )

yonhee
30.04.2005, 17:56
Awww your not gollum anymore :(
But theres lots of different english englishes...

brasscrest
30.04.2005, 18:09
Changing your mind-set means making yourself think differently

Because American English causes thoughts to be expressed less clearly than English English. I don't want to offend our American Friends, many of whom are on this forum, but American English is the result of too fluid a mixture of other languages. It tends to flow around concepts that English English actually penetrates. I appreciate that this is sometimes a good thing, on the principle that sometimes it's better not to know ;), but at the same time it promotes laziness in framing ones thoughts - a certain laissez faire attitude. Please, I know it's a gross generalisation and over simplification, but I don't really want to write a scientific paper on a brass band forum. Actually, maybe that's a good idea for a new thread.


Not only Naomi can come up with ideas :)

Not offended at all. In fact, I agree with you. There is a general concept which seems to be rampant in American schools that "functional literacy" is all that is required. In other words, as long as one can function in society at large, you can ignore errors.

So when faced with something that requires precise interpretation and language, such as a legal contract, most Americans can't understand what they are reading, even if they can actually read all of the words.

mikelyons
01.05.2005, 11:00
There is a general concept which seems to be rampant in American schools that "functional literacy" is all that is required. In other words, as long as one can function in society at large, you can ignore errors.

So when faced with something that requires precise interpretation and language, such as a legal contract, most Americans can't understand what they are reading, even if they can actually read all of the words.

This is becoming prevalent in the English School System as well. What worries me is that when clever people who know how to manipulate the language (politicians, insurers, solicitors etc) use it to bamboozle the people who have not been trained in the proper uses. I can't help thinking that this is deliberate. If you don't know how the language works properly, you can't use it properly. Ergo, those who do know can take advantage of your ignorance (the aforementioned list of assorted villains ;)) Who said knowledge is power? They should have said language is power!

yonhee
01.05.2005, 15:31
Whats ergo mean?

mikelyons
01.05.2005, 19:52
ear wig O again!

Ergo means therefore. as in cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore Iam)

yonhee
02.05.2005, 11:54
ear wig O again!
whered that come from?


Ergo means therefore. as in cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore Iam)
ta

mikelyons
02.05.2005, 15:45
It's part of a joke that I'm not going to tell you today. If you ignore the spelling, run all the words together and pronounce the O as Oh! you might be able to work it out

yonhee
02.05.2005, 15:51
Why wont you tell me today?
Is it here we go again?

mikelyons
02.05.2005, 15:54
It is, well done!


The joke involves two insect football teams and it is the punch line.

yonhee
02.05.2005, 15:58
Oh ok.

yonhee
03.05.2005, 20:35
Ergo means therefore. as in cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore Iam)
Is cogito I think an sum I am? If it is then why isnt I the same word? :-?
An is andante slower or faster than moderato?
Are they even both speed thingys?

mikelyons
03.05.2005, 21:59
In romance languages - those based on Latin, the tendency is to include the person in the participle:

cogito I think (man)
cogita I think (woman)

or maybe a better way

Amo I love
Amas You love (singular)
Amat He/she/it loves
Amamus We love
Amatis You love (plural)
Amant They love

Italians (for example) only say I (Io) for emphasis or to make it clear if there could be confusion.

Andante is "At a walking pace" in every text book I have ever read. Moderato is moderately. On my little man from the Paris underground (otherwise known as a Metro Gnome) it says:

Andante is between 76 and 108
Moderato is between 76 and 120

You pay your money and you take your choice.

They are both Tempo marks, yes. Often used together as Andante moderato. Now isn't that helpful ;)

euphybeast
03.05.2005, 23:15
Goodness me, what an educational website this is.

mikelyons
04.05.2005, 20:15
Believe me, it's a poor day when you don't learn something.

yonhee
06.05.2005, 18:15
In romance languages - those based on Latin, the tendency is to include the person in the participle:

cogito I think (man)
cogita I think (woman)

or maybe a better way

Amo I love
Amas You love (singular)
Amat He/she/it loves
Amamus We love
Amatis You love (plural)
Amant They love

Italians (for example) only say I (Io) for emphasis or to make it clear if there could be confusion.
Whats a participle?
So is it 'i think therefore am'???
Probably not but never mind.

Andante is "At a walking pace" in every text book I have ever read. Moderato is moderately. On my little man from the Paris underground (otherwise known as a Metro Gnome) it says:

Andante is between 76 and 108
Moderato is between 76 and 120

You pay your money and you take your choice.

They are both Tempo marks, yes. Often used together as Andante moderato. Now isn't that helpful ;)
Sooo theyre both kinda the same?

brasscrest
06.05.2005, 19:29
Tempo markings in words (Andante, Allegro, Moderato, etc.) are only approximations, which is why most modern composers include a (more or less exact) metronome setting.

Andante has a "walking" component, which could also be interpreted as including a style of play rather than simply a tempo. So "Andante Moderato" could mean "walking at a moderate pace" (approximately).

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 20:24
participle

form of verb: a form of a verb that is used to form complex tenses, such as ‘was loving’ and ‘has loved’ in English, and may also be used as an adjective



[14th century. Via Old French from Latin participium , from particeps ‘sharing’ (see participate), because it shares qualities of both adjectives and verbs.]

(c) Encarta

yonhee
07.05.2005, 20:26
huh?

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 20:29
You asked what a participle was. I told you - it's the part of the verb to do with when something happens - and a couple of other things as well, who is doing the thing)


I am, I was, I will be, I am eating, I will eat, I ate, I have eaten

yonhee
07.05.2005, 20:33
Is there a easier way of explaining it i dont get it :(

six pints
07.05.2005, 21:14
Is there a easier way of explaining it i dont get it :(

i dont either. im a geordie, not meant to understand english ...

yonhee
07.05.2005, 21:32
lol!

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 22:56
OK

Take the sentence "I went to Warrington"

I is a pronoun and the subject of the sentence
"went to" is a verb and is the past participle of the verb "to go to" (I go to, you go to etc)
Warrington is a noun (a proper noun because it is the name of a place) and is the object of the sentence (ie it is the place I went to)

The subject (I) does the doing
The verb is the thing that is done
The object is the thing that is done to

For a sentence to work, it must have at least one noun (or pronoun) and a verb.

For example "Yonhee slept" is an acceptable sentence because it has a noun (Yonhee) and a verb (slept). Slept is the past participle of the verb "to sleep".
Present participles can be different for each person (I, you, he/she/it, we, you, they) most Past participles are (I think) the same for each person.

There are three singular persons (I, you, he/she/it)
There are three plural persons (we,you,they)

he, she and it are all considered one person. in other languages than English you might have different words/endings depending on gender. In English, thankfully, they are usually the same.

Is this helping or should I give up now?

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:04
its helping. I think. So is a participle like a tense of a verb?

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 23:06
no, but the tense of the verb is because of the participle (or maybe the other way round) the participle changes according to the tense.

you know it's the past tense because the participle is the past.

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:09
er is it the past or present or future bit at the end of the word? :-?

six pints
07.05.2005, 23:10
im too drunk to start understanding this. but im still trying!

is "still" a particy thingy?

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 23:13
try this:

Went is the past participle of go
did is the past participle of do
had is the past participle of have

wanted is the pp of want

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:14
can it only be past?

six pints
07.05.2005, 23:14
so whats the part participle of drunk ;)

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 23:16
can it only be past?

no. you can have participles in other tenses. No I'm not going to explain what they are. I'm too 'tired' tonight.

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 23:17
so whats the part participle of drunk ;)

drunk is the pp of drink.

How could you tell? my spellings not that bad! ;)

Takes on to know one I suppose chavva? :)

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:20
no. you can have participles in other tenses. No I'm not going to explain what they are. I'm too 'tired' tonight.
But then im gonna be confused for ages... Whyd you put tired in 's?

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 23:22
Although I am tired, 'tired' is also a euphemism for another condition ;):guiness <--clue

six pints
07.05.2005, 23:23
drunk is the pp of drink.

How could you tell? my spellings not that bad! ;)

Takes on to know one I suppose chavva? :)

ah'll tell ya'll wot a divvint understand like how. why de all ye sovernas caall thum chavs, when they is chaRvas??? howay, de ya knaa wur aa'm frerm? sort it oot!!

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:25
Somones drunk :p Or just odd.
Im not from the south!
Theyre chavs cos thats what everyone else here says now, used to be townies...

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 23:27
ah'll tell ya'll wot a divvint understand like how. why de all ye sovernas caall thum chavs, when they is chaRvas??? howay, de ya knaa wur aa'm frerm? sort it oot!!
Ah lass, ye over-estimate oor abilities like.
We's pure lankys 'n aa'. Way canny speykit like you c'n lass.

(*puts jaws back into alignment)

There's nowt 's c'n be said 'bout a lass fro' the northeast. If tha' cawnt sey it in lanky it's nowworth seyyin.

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:29
whats 'n aa' ?

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 23:30
and all.

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:30
ta

six pints
07.05.2005, 23:34
howay thn yonhee, lerrus check oot ya regeeonal tongue!

mikelyons
07.05.2005, 23:35
she's a lanky like me, but no mach for you cheryl. She can't even cope with standard, let alone dialect. Gi' the lassie a break.

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:36
first tell me what howay means

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:39
she's a lanky like me, but no mach for you cheryl. She can't even cope with standard, let alone dialect. Gi' the lassie a break.
ta Mike! I can cope with the english that eveyone round here uses!

six pints
07.05.2005, 23:40
first tell me what howay means

it means how.... way. sorry just repeating it slower doesnt work. it means "come one". u must have known thjat!!

yonhee
07.05.2005, 23:41
nope never heard it before

mikelyons
08.05.2005, 18:28
and made little effort to work it out!:rolleyes:

yonhee
08.05.2005, 20:27
I did but it sounds nothing like come on!
Whats a euphenism? dunno how to spell it...

mikelyons
08.05.2005, 20:57
No but you could work it out by applying the meanings of the component parts to see if you could make sense. (OK I know it's Geordie - it's not supposed to make sense ;))


A euphemism is a word or phrase used to cover up something that is usually not nice.

eg passed over, popped his clogs are both euphemisms for died.

yonhee
08.05.2005, 21:02
No but you could work it out by applying the meanings of the component parts to see if you could make sense. (OK I know it's Geordie - it's not supposed to make sense ;))
How does how wayhave anything to do with come on?


A euphemism is a word or phrase used to cover up something that is usually not nice.

eg passed over, popped his clogs are both euphemisms for died.
Ta

mikelyons
08.05.2005, 21:07
perhaps, rather than how-ay, think Ho! Way.

from there you could maybe think Get on! Go Away! Come off it! Come on?

as an expression of disbelief.

This is just my guess, you understand I know nothing much about geordie culture. Maybe Cheryl or Andy could explain where it comes from better.

yonhee
08.05.2005, 21:10
Just asked him on msn....

mikelyons
08.05.2005, 21:12
and...?

yonhee
08.05.2005, 21:14
he dunt know.

mikelyons
08.05.2005, 21:15
so you are stuck with my explication. Does that make me an expert?:confused:

yonhee
08.05.2005, 21:22
Your a expert at knowing lots of stuff.

yonhee
08.05.2005, 21:29
Im going to bed... Nighty night.

mikelyons
08.05.2005, 21:29
Why thank you dear child. :):):)

good night

yonhee
09.05.2005, 20:35
Do you know french?
An have you read any of these books;
A crack in the line
Chartbreak
Junk
Heathrow Nights
Homebird

mikelyons
09.05.2005, 22:56
Do I know French what?


And no to all of them.

Sorry. I'm obviously not very well read. ;)

yonhee
10.05.2005, 17:11
Just do you know french like can you speak it.
OK which title sounds best? I need to choose one to review an i dunno which one to do :-?

mikelyons
10.05.2005, 18:42
We interrupt this programme to announce that tMM has done it again. After overcoming a sudden panic attack at the refusal of tMP to appear on my screen, this reporter is ecstatic to report that normal service has been resumed.


Phew!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

mikelyons
10.05.2005, 18:43
Just do you know french like can you speak it.
OK which title sounds best? I need to choose one to review an i dunno which one to do :-?

Je parle Francais comme une vache Espaniol

A crack in the line sounds ok to me.

yonhee
11.05.2005, 21:37
i speak french somthing somthing somthing spanish. Somthing means i have no idea what it is.
Right most people think a crack in the line so ill do that one, if i can find the book....
tMP went weird for me aswell an Fi was laughing at me :(

mikelyons
11.05.2005, 21:42
It translates as I speak french like a spanish cow!

yonhee
11.05.2005, 21:45
Erm is that good or bad?

mikelyons
11.05.2005, 21:47
As the french - especially those in the basque region - hate the spanish with a vengeance, what do you think?

yonhee
11.05.2005, 21:49
Why do they hate the spanish?
Erm bad?

mikelyons
11.05.2005, 21:50
The usual reasons.


Yes.

yonhee
11.05.2005, 21:52
What are the usual reasons?
OK can you speak year 8 french?

mikelyons
12.05.2005, 23:20
Politics, religion and testosterone.


I don't know. What do you need to know in Y8?
If you are really stuck you could always use babelfish!

yonhee
13.05.2005, 21:59
Whats babelfish?
Erm i have to know all the year 7 stuff an erm actually i have no idea :| Im gonna do well in my exams... I really think i should start listening in french.

mikelyons
14.05.2005, 09:46
Babelfish is an online translator that will at least give you a chance to find out what the words are/mean in French or English.

The address is here (http://babelfish.altavista.com/). It will do other languages as well, but be careful - it does have severe limitations.

It is a bit late to realise you need to listen to start understanding a language! Perhaps you might try thinking in French as well.:tongue:

yonhee
14.05.2005, 13:06
How can i think in french?
Well i would listen in french but whenever i try to i fall asleep :-?
Mebbe my teachers one of them hypnotisey people.
Wow babel fish is ace! But how come in french words change completely when you add ing on to the end of words?

yonhee
16.05.2005, 17:09
:confused: whats edict, exteunt and how now mean?

mikelyons
17.05.2005, 06:42
Where did they come from?


edictn
1. decree: a formal proclamation, especially one issued by a government, ruler, or other authority 2. authoritative command: a formal or authoritative command



[15th century. From Latin edictum , from the past participle of edicere ‘to proclaim’, from dicere ‘to say’.]

exeunt vi
exit from stage: used as a stage direction in a text in place of ‘exit’ when more than one person is to leave the stage.
(*I'm assuming exteunt is a mistake as my dictionary does not contain it)


[15th century. From Latin , literally ‘they go out’, 3rd person plural of exire (see exit).]

(c) Encarta

How now is, as far as I know, old English usage and roughly means "What happens next?" Someone please correct me if they know better.

yonhee
18.05.2005, 07:04
:) Thank you, they came from a book.
An also what viculsoness mean I dont think thats how you spell it though.
Oh an I know 1 verb in french! Not sure what it means though.

mikelyons
18.05.2005, 19:16
viculsoness? Never heard of it. The nearest I can get is viciousness. Is that it?

yonhee
18.05.2005, 22:05
Probably, it wasnt written down so I dunno how to spell it.
An whats demoralise an mutual mean?
I will stop asking questions one day. Maybe. Actually there was somthing else I wanted to ask but I cant remember what it was...

yonhee
18.05.2005, 22:07
Erm actually it might be vuluctuosness. Im trying to remember how he pronounced it but i cant...

mikelyons
18.05.2005, 22:16
help me out here - voluptuousnessWhat was the context? In what situation was the word being used? Voluptuous is a word used to describe beautiful (but in my opinion fat) women!

yonhee
19.05.2005, 06:24
I dunno i cant remember its the only word i heard before falling asleep again.
Whats evangelists and per se mean?

mikelyons
21.05.2005, 22:23
1. Christian who converts others: somebody who tries to persuade other people to become Christians, especially one who travels around speaking at public meetings or making radio or television broadcasts 2. evangelist (plural Evangelists) or Evangelist (plural Evangelists) writer of Christian Gospel: any of the writers of the first four Christian Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John



However, you don't (technically) have to be a Christian to evangelise. Anyone who tries to actively convert other people to their way of thinking (usually against their will) can be accused of evangelism.


Per se : in itself: in itself, by itself, or intrinsically (built-in)

(c) Encarta

yonhee
21.05.2005, 22:27
ta
Im gonna stop askin questions now.

mikelyons
24.05.2005, 13:29
ta
Im gonna stop askin questions now.

Only until your next breath! ;)

yonhee
24.05.2005, 19:55
But that would mean that im dead now... Great *stops doing homework*
Anyway i have another question... Whats a nth term? Its in my end of year exams apparantly but i havnt got anything about it anywhere...

mikelyons
25.05.2005, 06:41
You have probably been doing some very specific things with equations and series. Maybe find the 6th term? Find the answer when x=3?

The nth term just stands for any term you want. Your teacher is trying to get you to generalise a formula (probably) so that you can work out any term (even the 200000000000000000000000th) if you felt like it:

(x-1)^2

(where x=1, x=2,x=3,x=4....x=20000,...x=n)

is that clear?

yonhee
25.05.2005, 22:13
:-? no... Im thick...
Weve done it this year but it isnt in either of my notebooks so i dont know whats happend to it.
Also whats osmosis? Not sure if thats how its spelt.

groovy
25.05.2005, 22:44
Also whats osmosis? Not sure if thats how its spelt.
Osmosis is the diffusion of water molecules from an area of high water concentration to an area of low water concentration down a concentration gradient, and through a selectively permeable membrane.
So all that revising for my biology exam wasn't for nothing!

Jan H
25.05.2005, 23:01
:-? no... Im thick...
let's say you have a certain series of nu,bers: 2 4 8 16 32 and so on
the 1st term of this series equals 2 to power of 1 or 2^1
the 2nd term of this series equals 2 to the power of 2 or 2^2
the 3rd term equals 2^3
the 4th term equals 2^4
...
the "n"th term equals 2^n

so this series can be represented in general by it's "n"th term as "2^n"

And about the osmosis thing: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmosis

euphfanhan
25.05.2005, 23:08
Ooooh i like the nth term. got my maths gcse in 2 weeks, its all i understand. And biology the day after. And osmosis is pretty much all I understand for that. Anyway, back on topic...

oh.

There isnt one.

TIMBONE
26.05.2005, 01:17
You have probably been doing some very specific things with equations and series. Maybe find the 6th term? Find the answer when x=3?

The nth term just stands for any term you want. Your teacher is trying to get you to generalise a formula (probably) so that you can work out any term (even the 200000000000000000000000th) if you felt like it:

(x-1)^2

(where x=1, x=2,x=3,x=4....x=20000,...x=n)

is that clear?

Hey Mike, I am thick too!!!!! What do you teach Mike?

TIMBONE
26.05.2005, 01:23
let's say you have a certain series of nu,bers: 2 4 8 16 32 and so on
the 1st term of this series equals 2 to power of 1 or 2^1
the 2nd term of this series equals 2 to the power of 2 or 2^2
the 3rd term equals 2^3
the 4th term equals 2^4
...
the "n"th term equals 2^n

so this series can be represented in general by it's "n"th term as "2^n"

And about the osmosis thing: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmosis

:frown: :eek: :confused: :sup :-| :dunno I can write music though :guiness

yonhee
27.05.2005, 22:12
let's say you have a certain series of nu,bers: 2 4 8 16 32 and so on
the 1st term of this series equals 2 to power of 1 or 2^1
the 2nd term of this series equals 2 to the power of 2 or 2^2
the 3rd term equals 2^3
the 4th term equals 2^4
...
the "n"th term equals 2^n

so this series can be represented in general by it's "n"th term as "2^n"

And about the osmosis thing: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmosis
Huh? Right im failing maths...
And Hanna there is a topic if you look in the very first post...

Jan H
28.05.2005, 10:21
Hmm, i thought I explained it quite clearly :( :(

groovy
28.05.2005, 14:08
Hmm, i thought I explained it quite clearly :( :(
I thought you did too! Well I understood it anyway, which is saying something.

yonhee
28.05.2005, 21:02
Hmm, i thought I explained it quite clearly :( :(
You probably did, but I dont understand maths at all cant even do year 4 maths which is slightly worrying, but anyway it doesnt really matter dont spose there will be much on it in the exam.

yonhee
29.05.2005, 19:34
whats a physicist?
And I revised today are you proud or what? :tongue:

mikelyons
03.06.2005, 08:48
A physicist is a kind of scientist who deals with the relationships of physical objects in the universe. There are different kinds of physicists, and most of them disagree with mathematicians about how the numbers should add up and how formulae should work ;)

OK Series and nth term:

let's try an arithmetical series (adding numbers):

4,6,8,10,12....
(each new number is the first number plus a multiple of 2)

the first term is 2 + 2, or 2 + 2*1 (2 times 1)
the second term is 2 + 4, or 2 + 2*2 (2 times 2)
the third term is 2 + 6, or 2 + 2*3
the fourth term is 2 + 8, or 2 + 2*4
the fifth term is 2 + 10, or 2 + 2*5
the sixth term would be 2 + 12, or 2 + 2*6
the seventh term would be 2 + 14, or 2 + 2*7
are you with me so far?

If you want to calculate any term of the series, you need to do something called generalising. that is, you put a letter in place of the thing that changes. This letter represents any number. The one that is normally used is n, but you could use x,y,z or j or anything else if you were really being awkward.

so the nth term would be 2 + 2*n or 2 + 2n. What you are really trying to do is work out a formula that can calculate any number of the series. The idea is to try to make the formula as simple as possible. You could actually write 2 + 2n as 2(1+n) as well and still get the same answers. Does this help?

mikelyons
03.06.2005, 08:57
Hey Mike, I am thick too!!!!! What do you teach Mike?

I teach music, but my degree is in maths and music. Apparently the two go well together. Must be all that counting...1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4...7
;)

mikelyons
03.06.2005, 08:58
Hmm, i thought I explained it quite clearly :( :(

You did - very clearly.

Unfortunately, Jan, clear and simple are not quite the same thing. The lovely yonhee needs simplicity as well as clarity! ;)

yonhee
03.06.2005, 11:37
A physicist is a kind of scientist who deals with the relationships of physical objects in the universe. There are different kinds of physicists, and most of them disagree with mathematicians about how the numbers should add up and how formulae should work ;)

OK Series and nth term:

let's try an arithmetical series (adding numbers):

4,6,8,10,12....
(each new number is the first number plus a multiple of 2)

the first term is 2 + 2, or 2 + 2*1 (2 times 1)
the second term is 2 + 4, or 2 + 2*2 (2 times 2)
the third term is 2 + 6, or 2 + 2*3
the fourth term is 2 + 8, or 2 + 2*4
the fifth term is 2 + 10, or 2 + 2*5
the sixth term would be 2 + 12, or 2 + 2*6
the seventh term would be 2 + 14, or 2 + 2*7
are you with me so far?

If you want to calculate any term of the series, you need to do something called generalising. that is, you put a letter in place of the thing that changes. This letter represents any number. The one that is normally used is n, but you could use x,y,z or j or anything else if you were really being awkward.

so the nth term would be 2 + 2*n or 2 + 2n. What you are really trying to do is work out a formula that can calculate any number of the series. The idea is to try to make the formula as simple as possible. You could actually write 2 + 2n as 2(1+n) as well and still get the same answers. Does this help?
I think so... do you have to say what n is?
You should be a maths teacher.

yonhee
03.06.2005, 15:51
whats Etymologically?

mikelyons
04.06.2005, 15:35
Blimey, that's a big one! Where did you dig that up from? ;)


The etymology of a word is where it comes from, which other language(s) it is derived from and how it has developed over time. An etymological study is one concerned with the origins and development of a word or words.

Jan H
04.06.2005, 16:40
Blimey, that's a big one! Where did you dig that up from? ;).
(BOC alert) She got it from THIS (http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14597&page=1&pp=15) thread :biggrin:

yonhee
04.06.2005, 21:21
Blimey, that's a big one! Where did you dig that up from? ;)


The etymology of a word is where it comes from, which other language(s) it is derived from and how it has developed over time. An etymological study is one concerned with the origins and development of a word or words.
Danke :)
It came from the 'say ello to...' thread I was gonna ask in there but I'd probably get shouted at by the scary mods.
You know the nth term thingy whats;
n 1 2 3 4 5
Un 4 5 6 7 8
mean?
It's a question in my textbook but i cant find anything saying what it is...

yonhee
04.06.2005, 21:22
(BOC alert) She got it from THIS (http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14597&page=1&pp=15) thread :biggrin:
Huh? :confused:

Jan H
05.06.2005, 10:42
Huh? :confused:
The word "Etymologically" was used in the thread that you'll find when you click on "THIS" in my previous post. I thought you had found the word in that thread (the "Say hello to mum and vic" thread)

yonhee
05.06.2005, 11:19
Oh yeh! though it came from the one i said up there ^^^ *goes and edits post* Never noticed that link lol.

Jan H
05.06.2005, 13:51
Never noticed that link lol.
Yeah I know. it's confusing that links have the same colour as other text (at least in the "clean" style)

yonhee
05.06.2005, 16:10
Whats amoral mean?

sterlingsop
05.06.2005, 17:54
amoral means having no morals.
immoral would be having poor morals.

yonhee
05.06.2005, 18:11
ta

yonhee
07.06.2005, 20:34
Who are Brady and Hindley?

MoominDave
07.06.2005, 20:45
Truly evil people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/images/hindleybrady190.jpg

Myra Hindley and Ian Brady. Search Google for "Moors Murders".

mikelyons
07.06.2005, 22:03
They murdered lots of young children. Hindley died recently.

yonhee
08.06.2005, 22:27
That's evil...
I've finished all my exams :D and there was nothing on nth terms :) Still failed them all though.

mikelyons
09.06.2005, 14:03
You've been told already? :eek:eek:

yonhee
09.06.2005, 16:42
You've been told already? :eek:eek:
Well no I hadn't been then but I got some of them today were all rubbish. Maths was very very very rubbish but I havnt got my mental maths paper back cause we only did it today. Got an A in science even though I didnt get a very good mark :confused:

yonhee
11.06.2005, 14:31
Whats congruous mean?

mikelyons
12.06.2005, 21:13
It means that things are in agreement with each other - usually about general trends rather than specifics. Suitable, appropriate. Not out of place.

It is rarer to see this than its opposite incongruous, which means out of place, ill fitting with its surroundings.

yonhee
13.06.2005, 19:42
Tanks :)
Whats ad naeseum?

mikelyons
14.06.2005, 06:38
I think you mean ad nauseam.

Ad nauseam means up to the point of being sick. Put simply, it means that you keep repeating something until it drives you daft.

Nausea is a word we still use to describe a feeling of being sick (usually in the stomach).

Just a cautionary word on pronunciation. When you say latin words, if there are two vowels next to each other it is quite common for them to be pronounced seperately:

In this case nauseam = naw-say-am (close enough for jazz ;))

yonhee
14.06.2005, 19:52
Thanks. You get up well early...
How am i suposed to explain why you have to go to sleep to a 7 year old...

yonhee
15.06.2005, 22:21
Can you jump off the eiffel tower?

yonhee
18.06.2005, 22:01
Whats platonically?

mikelyons
19.06.2005, 09:31
Can you jump off the eiffel tower?

Haven't I answered this, or am I losing my...??

Yes, once you get past the security systems. Of course you can. Just move forward until the ground starts moving towards you. Gravity takes care of all the hard work. Just be careful not to startle anybody on the ground when you get there. They don't like it. People dropping out of the sky tend to make the ordinary visitor to Paris go a little panicky. ;)

What's that thing you are supposed to keep inside your head....??



Ah. Mind!

yonhee
19.06.2005, 09:33
Yep you're losing your memory you havnt answered that. I dont think...
Erm what security systems?

mikelyons
19.06.2005, 09:41
Yep you're losing your memory you havnt answered that. I dont think...
Erm what security systems?

They have all sorts of things to keep people from going out and trying to walk on the air. Wire mesh, railings, security men etc

yonhee
19.06.2005, 09:44
Meh, so i couldnt jump off it... What about blackpool tower?
[Ive lost my lyre!!! I need it today aaargh]

mikelyons
19.06.2005, 09:49
Whats platonically?

In general it means a relationship based entirely on friendship and companionship. i.e. no sex involved.

It is usually used to refute accusations of sexual intimacy.

e.g. are you sleeping with Jimmy? No. It's purely platonic.

mikelyons
19.06.2005, 09:53
Meh, so i couldnt jump off it... What about blackpool tower?
[Ive lost my lyre!!! I need it today aaargh]

Blackpool tower is easier, but for some reason it doesn't seem to have the same cachet as the Eiffel tower ;)

Besides, in Blackpool, you'd probably be saved by a heap of litter and other rubbish!

yonhee
19.06.2005, 10:30
Oh well... Erm empire state building?
oops meant to be in the car...

mikelyons
19.06.2005, 14:16
You are thinking of some exotic places to jump off! What's it for? Not for real, I hope. :eek::eek: