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dyl
22.05.2003, 22:51
I recently listened to one of my old brass CDs - Grimethorpe's Classic Brass. One of the tracks on it is Alan Catherall's excellent arrangement of 'Macarthur Park'.

I seem to recall someone mention on here a while ago that this arrangement is only for Grimethorpe's use, so I've had a look for other arrangements of the song.

I've come across two - one by Adrian Droiver and the other by Alan Fernie.

Has anyone played either of these, and if so which would you recommend?

Cheers,

Dylan.

Straightmute
23.05.2003, 00:31
They're both good in different ways, and with all respect to the two fine arrangers, neither has the brilliance of Alan Catherall's arrangement.

Adrian Drover worked with Maynard Ferguson so his has an authentic touch, but it's also quite thinly scored and so it's harder to get that full big band sound. Fernie's is probably safer but has lots of good touches and is the one we settled on for our summer programme last year.

D

amgray
23.05.2003, 02:05
Straightmute, it's always interesting to read your posts, but David



- GET OUT MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

By the way, interesting wrist movement on the avatar :oops:

WhatSharp?
23.05.2003, 08:22
I'm sure we're playing the Catherall arrangement of Macarthur Park at the moment. I'll double check tonight and let you know if this is correct.

dyl
23.05.2003, 10:39
Thanks guys

BoozyBTrom
23.05.2003, 16:59
Alan did write McArthur Park especially for Grimethorpe. It was that exclusive an arrangement ( in the begining ) that he gave them the originals and never kept a copy for himself.

As with all things copies leak out.. there are several rogue photo copies out there ( thud as Roger Thorne faints )

So It may be possible that people do have it. Surprisingly we at Ever Ready dont. We would like to get hold of it as we are making a CD of Alans Music this year and it should be on the CD. But there are many fine peices fighting for a place on it.

Straightmute
24.05.2003, 01:15
Straightmute, it's always interesting to read your posts, but David

- GET OUT MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

By the way, interesting wrist movement on the avatar :oops:


Get out more? That's rich coming from a b****dy scientist! I'll have you know that I'll be in the One Eyed Rat tommorow night, while you're sulking into your overpriced southern electric soup. And I'll be out gigging with my trumpet, while you probably can't even find your 'bone, let alone remember what to do with it.

Any more abuse from you and I'll sack you from my Fantasy Band!

You like the avatar? Everone seems to think its a conductor. Sssssh - I found it on a very naughty site!

D

BigHorn
24.05.2003, 09:38
Talking of unusual conducting styles, did anybody else see Thursday's Daily Express? There was a piece about some over-exhuberant conductor, (from Bristol I think), who was conducting his band though Land of Hope and Glory and managed to impale his free hand with his baton. :shock: Went straight though and snapped off. Ouch!! :? Did any tMPers out there witness the event or know the person involved?.

If Alan Catheralls arrangement of McArthur Park is not available then he should certainly release it. He must be sitting on a gold mine. Its an absolutely fantastic piece, I personally can't think of any 'Pop music' arrangement better than this. I would certainly love to have a go playing it.

WhatSharp?
24.05.2003, 19:58
Nope it wasnt the Catherall arrangment it was the Peberdy. Sorry.

HBB
24.05.2003, 21:16
and that arrangement isn't the best in the world either! :D


but ... it'll doo .... it's such a great tune .....

Ben

:lol:

dyl
25.05.2003, 00:13
Ah well! I think we'll try the Alan Fernie arrangement!

amgray
25.05.2003, 20:39
Straightmute, it's always interesting to read your posts, but David

- GET OUT MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

By the way, interesting wrist movement on the avatar :oops:


Get out more? That's rich coming from a b****dy scientist! I'll have you know that I'll be in the One Eyed Rat tommorow night, while you're sulking into your overpriced southern electric soup. And I'll be out gigging with my trumpet, while you probably can't even find your 'bone, let alone remember what to do with it.

Any more abuse from you and I'll sack you from my Fantasy Band!

You like the avatar? Everone seems to think its a conductor. Sssssh - I found it on a very naughty site!

D

I will say I was pleased to be in your Band Selection so I'll recant!! :lol:
And yes - I'm jealous about not having several pints in the One Eyed Rat. As for knowing what to do with it, the spirit is willing and knowledgeable but the flesh is weak and underpractised, but one day soon..................

blondie
27.05.2003, 19:53
As some of you have already said, the Catterall arr. is absolutely stunning, and is definately one of my favourites. We at Wem tried out only for the second time (any of my fellow Wemians correct me if i'm wrong), the seemingly not very well regarded Peberdy arr.

I do not wish to offend anybody, (as i will admit quite openly, i couldn't arr. anything if my life depended on it), but i thought that it certainly lacked that "Special Something" and just didn't do anything for the band.

I would like to get hold of the Catterall arr. at some point, but for now the Fernie seems a popular choice.

Mr B.Londe

andywooler
31.05.2003, 16:03
Not so sure that thin scoring has much to do with getting a big band sound - personal preference on this one is Adrian's arrangement - having done the original Maynard version, his arrangement is more authentic (assuming it's a Maynard feel you're after of course). Personally, I find some of the better big band arrangements are those that are not overscored - the big sound of Maynard's band at Ronnie Scotts last night was achieved with a 10 piece band (incl. the rhythm section). (was anyone from the forum there this week?)

Andy




They're both good in different ways, and with all respect to the two fine arrangers, neither has the brilliance of Alan Catherall's arrangement.

Adrian Drover worked with Maynard Ferguson so his has an authentic touch, but it's also quite thinly scored and so it's harder to get that full big band sound. Fernie's is probably safer but has lots of good touches and is the one we settled on for our summer programme last year.

D

Straightmute
01.06.2003, 01:12
You're not wrong Andy. What I was trying to suggest was that the thicker scoring for brass band instruments is geenerally more likely to recreate the power of a big band brass section. It seems unlikely that we'll ever find a quartet of cornets who could match the sound of a big band's trumpet section, and even if they could would they then be able to cope with Irish Blessing as the encore? But with a full cornet section we may get closer.

As I said, Adrian is the more authentic, Alan probably the safer option (for non-specialist players). Alan has made his arrangement idiot proof...
and I enjoy them both!

D

James McFadyen
01.06.2003, 20:37
I have just arranged MacArthur Park, it's wild and very eciting to play and listen to, I've totally gone to town with it and really done things with it the other arrangers of the tune didn't do.

I will be selling it for 40.00 Pounds once copyight comes through in 3 to 4 weeks from Music Sales Ltd, If ya wanna buy a copy, email me at jamesmcfadyenpublishing@hotmail.com and I'll reserve you a copy.

amgray
02.06.2003, 10:22
.... Alan has made his arrangement idiot proof...
and I enjoy them both!

D

But you know the old adage - make it idiot proof and someone will invent a better idiot :shock:

alks
29.10.2008, 13:39
I know this is an ancient thread, but which version of MacArther park is better for lower section banding?

The versions available seam to be

1. J. Peberdy
2. A. Drover
3. A. Fernie
4. Barry Forgie

Ive heard the Catherall version (not available) which is great, so which avaialble version is closest to it in style?

alks

Straightmute
29.10.2008, 17:05
I know this is an ancient thread, but which version of MacArther park is better for lower section banding?

The versions available seam to be

1. J. Peberdy
2. A. Drover
3. A. Fernie
4. Barry Forgie

Ive heard the Catherall version (not available) which is great, so which avaialble version is closest to it in style?

alks

To confuse the issue I understand that there is now an arrangement by Philip Sparke which must be worth considering!

David

brassneck
29.10.2008, 18:14
All of them would have to be heard to see what is required from the original. It must be remembered that Adrian Drover charted the piece for the Maynard Ferguson band.

alks
29.10.2008, 18:42
To confuse the issue I understand that there is now an arrangement by Philip Sparke which must be worth considering!

David

Arrhh, i knew i had forgot one. Have a sample of it somewhere on a demo cd.
that makes 5 available arrangments. But my question still remains, which is better for lower section banding?

alks

brassbandmaestro
29.10.2008, 22:27
For a start, i reckon the Barry Forgie arrangement is suitable only for top class bands. Alan Fernie, although I dont know this arrangmement, probably would suit most bands, as the arranger, tends to cater for every standard on the whole.

alks
03.11.2008, 16:35
Ive checked out some versions that i have on cd, however i have a version on a compilation cd called
'Best of brass' it says 'the band of the yorkshire imperial metals' on the front. But the arranger is missing from the inlay!!. Any ideas who arranged this version? Perhaps its the peberdy version?

It seams that only the Farnie, Peberdy and Spark versions are probably playable by lower section bands. The spark version is rated at 3 out of a scale of 6 for difficulty on the de-haske site. Not sure which is the better however...probably go with the spark version.

alks

steve butler
03.11.2008, 16:43
Ive checked out some versions that i have on cd, however i have a version on a compilation cd called
'Best of brass' it says 'the band of the yorkshire imperial metals' on the front. But the arranger is missing from the inlay!!. Any ideas who arranged this version? Perhaps its the peberdy version?

It seams that only the Farnie, Peberdy and Spark versions are probably playable by lower section bands. The spark version is rated at 3 out of a scale of 6 for difficulty on the de-haske site. Not sure which is the better however...probably go with the spark version.

alks
That would be Fred Muscrofts arrangement.
But as most (if not all) of Freds work Not published - I believe.

Vegasbound
05.11.2008, 16:05
Adrian Drover's version for MF is th one.......but it was arranged for MF and very few an do it justice.

Masterblaster jnr
06.11.2008, 14:19
we play a pretty decent arrangement by a family friend, bill bray which is a good one, but i'm not sure if it's published.