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sparkling_quavers
16.10.2004, 18:40
1. Black Dyke
2. YBS
3. Reg Vardy
4. BAYV
5. Tredegar
6. Travelsphere
brassybabe
16.10.2004, 18:47
good good. kingy should be in a good mood monday morning.
have to say i thought fairies would have come higher, but thats contesting for u i suppose.
WoodenFlugel
16.10.2004, 18:47
Full results courtesy of 4barsrest.com (http://www.4barsrest.com/):
1. Black Dyke, 197
2. Yorkshire Building Society, 196
3. Ever Ready, 194
4. Buy As You View, 193
5. Tredegar, 192
6. Travelsphere Holidays, 191
7. Mount Charles, 190
8. Whitburn, 189
9. Camborne, 188
10. Fairey FP Music, 187
11. Beaumaris, 186
12. Redbridge, 185
13. Staffordshire, 184
14. Brighouse & Rastrick, 183
15. Alliance, 181
16. Leyland, 180
17. Scottish Co-op, 179
18. Cwmaman, 178
19. Wingates, 176
20. EYMS, 175
Best Intrumentalist: Peter Roberts, YBS
super_sop
16.10.2004, 18:50
Of course you could have seen the results 20 mins earlier here (http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?p=161510#post161510)!;)
WoodenFlugel
16.10.2004, 18:53
Of course you could have seen the results 20 mins earlier here (http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?p=161510#post161510)!;)Grrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad:
*spits dummy out and stomps around in a huff*
I was only trying to be helpful....
;)
tewkeshorn
16.10.2004, 18:53
Well done to Dyke and YBS and the other bands that did well, looks like Faireys and Scottish Co-op had a bad day.
Oh well, another failed attempt at the prediction competition, is anyone doing one for Pontins??
sparkling_quavers
16.10.2004, 19:26
Of course you could have seen the results 20 mins earlier here (http://www.themouthpiece.com/vb/showthread.php?p=161510#post161510)!;) yes, thanks craig :biggrin: The reason I made a 2nd post was that the last item posted by a mod in news appears on the portal when you log in the website. :D I will put a redirect in your thread to here. :biggrin:
super_sop
16.10.2004, 19:37
yes, thanks craig :biggrin: The reason I made a 2nd post was that the last item posted by a mod in news appears on the portal when you log in the website. :D I will put a redirect in your thread to here. :biggrin:hehe no worries:p
Well done to Dyke and also to the others in the top 6. Agreat result for ever ready and also Tredegar. Another disapointing show from Brighouse a re think could be needed but another great contest day.
Seedhouse
16.10.2004, 20:43
*RUNS AROUND THE ROOM*
Yay for Dyke! :D :D :D
...not that i'm an avid Black Dyke fan or anything... :roll:
RondoRotundo
16.10.2004, 20:54
Well done to Dyke - worthy winners without doubt.
I was also pleased to see Tredegar in the frame as theirs was the other performance I really enjoyed.
Just goes to show that a good test doesn't have to have millions of semi-quavers played at fff.
The thing that shone through today was the music!
Accidental
16.10.2004, 22:33
Great set of results imho. Tredegar def. deserved a top 3 place, and its great to see Travelsphere and Reg Vardy in the frame again.
Surpised to see Coop and Leyland so low down the placings though - I thought they were both better than that. (but what do I know! :lol: )
Will the Sec
16.10.2004, 22:55
I found BAYV's ending completely bizarre.
It seemed like Childs (which one? can never remember) held the band in position to get the "absolute silence after a quiet ending" effect before the applause, but it seemed to me sitting in choir east that the final two chords weren't played.
The audience applauded rapturously, deservedly so, but we were left scratching our heads asking each other what had just happened.
We joined in the applause, but I felt that they had it in the bag until a split in the final sop solo, and then the strange ending.
What did it sound like else where in the hall?
(And generally could anyone hear the basses? The overall bass sound was lost for much of the day where we were.)
I also liked Trededgar's interpretation, the guidance on the score to play with flexibility and to give time to the solos was milked to the max, and that they weren't placed higher was due to too many splits. A shame!
I phoned the eponymous one as I was wandering over to see John and Roger on the tMP stand, and I told him that Dyke had been awesome in places - and in the absence of an ending from BAYV, I think they were worthy winners.
Well done to Travelsphere including Dianamite (BBCBari's missus) as well!
well done to Pete Roberts on the solo prize, still a class act.
Darth_Tuba
17.10.2004, 00:01
Surpised to see Coop and Leyland so low down the placings though - I thought they were both better than that. (but what do I know! :lol: )
I was disappointed with our performance personally. Definately left in the bandroom as they say. Can't really complain at the result
Keith Stanley James Lever
17.10.2004, 01:44
Nice to see Staffordshires placing, well done all................
Well done to Travelsphere including Dianamite (BBCBari's missus) as well!
I was quite happy for the missus indeed!! :-D
I thought Travelsphere's soprano was the player of the day as well (with the way the piece was written you knew it had to go to a soprano player!!)
I thought Travelsphere's soprano was the player of the day as well (with the way the piece was written you knew it had to go to a soprano player!!)
So did I
Really enjoyed the day yesterday. Went with a bit of intrepidation having read 4br review of the test peice which reminded me of the day we went to listen to Maunsell Forts when we were asked to ''open our eyes and explore'' and what a dissapointment that was. Buts thats another story.
Still one saving grace was that Michael Ball writes some wonderful music and I for one was not dissapointed yesterday and found the music a real joy. Thank you Mr Ball
Congratulations to all the bands, everyone contributed something new. At last a result very few could argue with although some of the out of the top 6 minor placings were a bit awry for me. The variety of tempo's chosen was also most intresting
Few things to note:-
1. Where was everyone? - Most of the time the hall ( stalls and Floor ) was never more than 40% full.
2. What did people think of the new refurbished RAH then?
3. As previously said could anyone actually hear the final Bass notes?
4. When will we get rid of the need for a compere for the short concert and awards ceremony? Let the excellent Peter Bates do it.
5. When will people ever learn about Mobile Phones? EYMS didn't have a good day all round did they Tubular Bells broken Mobile Phones going off and unfortunately last place.
anyway thanks again to everyone involved.
ian perks
17.10.2004, 10:36
DID NOT GO BUT GOT RESULTS ON MOBILE AND HAD 4BR ON.
SUPER SLIM NICK CHILDS AS DONE IT AGAIN:-D
hipsmann
17.10.2004, 11:17
Great Contest Yesterday. Especially liked the top three's performances. Well done to Ever Ready. I personally thought that their solists were allowed to sit back and play which meant that the piece really worked as a whole. Some bands their soloists distracted from the whole piece.
I personally enjoyed both YBS's and Dykes performances but felt maybe they could have been placed the other way round. Well done to Dyke though and the concert in the evening was very enjoyable
Well done to all the prize getters and all the other bands who played. I can't wait to get the cd and have a good listen to the bands.
So did I
Really enjoyed the day yesterday. Went with a bit of intrepidation having read 4br review of the test peice which reminded me of the day we went to listen to Maunsell Forts when we were asked to ''open our eyes and explore'' and what a dissapointment that was. Buts thats another story.
Still one saving grace was that Michael Ball writes some wonderful music and I for one was not dissapointed yesterday and found the music a real joy. Thank you Mr Ball
Congratulations to all the bands, everyone contributed something new. At last a result very few could argue with although some of the out of the top 6 minor placings were a bit awry for me. The variety of tempo's chosen was also most intresting
Few things to note:-
1. Where was everyone? - Most of the time the hall ( stalls and Floor ) was never more than 40% full.
2. What did people think of the new refurbished RAH then?
3. As previously said could anyone actually hear the final Bass notes?
4. When will we get rid of the need for a compere for the short concert and awards ceremony? Let the excellent Peter Bates do it.
5. When will people ever learn about Mobile Phones? EYMS didn't have a good day all round did they Tubular Bells broken Mobile Phones going off and unfortunately last place.
anyway thanks again to everyone involved.
The lady compere, who is possibly more excellent than Peter Bates also did the Gala concert too.
grandfilth
17.10.2004, 15:45
looks like Faireys and Scottish Co-op had a bad day.
cant speak for Scottish coop but we felt it went reasonably well, mr walkley was excellent, just not our day, afterall it is a contest, judged by three men with opinions, if you weren't there how can you comment?
grandfilth
17.10.2004, 15:53
o and well done to all the bands, well done dyke, deserved considering the open....
Just a quick "thank you" on behalf of the Travelsphere Holidays Band to everyone who has paid the Band compliments following our performance at the Nationals yesterday.
As a band our aim after winning the Area was to get into the top six at the finals to start to put the Band back where it belongs at the very top of the banding world. With the very fine tradition and history that the Band has (the Band formerly known as Munn and Felton, G.U.S, and Rigid Containers Group Band) we are all to aware that over recent years the Band has not fulfilled its potential but we firmly believe that we are now heading in the right direction with David Stowell who has to take a great deal of credit for his direction of the Band. The next few steps will to return to London by retaining our Area title in March and by getting back to the "Open" through qualifying through the Grand Shield.
The very kind comments of congratulations for the both our performance and result is of great encouragement to us all and are greatly appreciated.
In conclusion I would just like to congratulate Black Dyke and all the other prize winners at the Nationals.
MoominDave
17.10.2004, 16:28
A few points to argue over / ignore ...
i) Was I the only one that heard Tredegar's consistently bad tuning throughout? This was especially notable on the Sop + Horn high bits, where the difference was about a quarter tone. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose - their performance at the Open seemed relatively better to me (though tuning was still an issue), but gained them a much lower placing.
ii) Of the bands I heard, only Travelsphere escaped (almost) unscathed on intonation. Their performance was as clean as the best, and let the music speak for itself, with wibble-wobble restrained to a notably tasteful level (=performance-enhancing, not -degrading...) throughout. Black Dyke were good, but this was the rendition that gave me a real satisfaction, and I thought them rather unlucky with 6th, especially having played immediately before Tredegar's nicely shaped but sometimes jarringly out of tune performance. Their Sop was truly excellent, I thought also.
iii) Bass Troms - several played the high Gb in the cadenza in the same 3rd
position as everything else. Ouch! The extreme flatness that this produced was very clear... For 5 of the 7 bands that I heard this bar presented a significant challenge. But perhaps I am just being parochial. :)
iv) In general, I was really quite surprised at the amount of dodgy tuning that there was. Sometimes, the specific use of a big vib was employed to try to mask this, which compounded the situation by making it both wobbly and out of tune.
v) I like this piece much more than other Michael Ball pieces I've come across, but it still seems to lack a coherence or a sense of overall purpose, despite containing a number of excellent ideas and being scored masterfully throughout. I would really like to see him work on a piece with a top-notch non-band composer, taking specific responsibility for the scoring; James MacMillan, maybe.
vi) Dyke's Trombones were much more musically well-behaved than they were at the Open. Maybe this was the difference?
vii) Mnozil Brass - wow! They also sang (briefly!) in the curry house we went to.:D But we got back to the Imperial Union bar too late to hear them again.:( Did anyone else hear them there?
viii) Yeah, attendance seemed way down; sitting in the circle, more seats seemed empty than filled, even for the results. Not quite sure why - perhaps audiences stay away from new pieces?
ix) Basses were mostly 'seen but not heard', but isn't this the effect much of the piece demands - the melodic work sitting on an unobtrusive 'cloud' of notes?
x) I too was perplexed by Cory's ending; it seemed as if Bob Childs was trying to bluff us all into thinking that they were still playing after they had stopped, but it cut off far too soon and at too high a dynamic for this to work. I know the pause is marked with a square sign, not a curved one (hence should be a short one, which was widely ignored), but it seemed as if they had cut off as if there was no pause at all. Strange, but thought-provoking.
I missed the announcement of a tMP stand! Otherwise I'd have come to say hello... I did have the slightly unnerving experience of somebody telling me that they'd read what I write here though. Hmm; so it doesn't just disappear off into the aether...
Spanky Rear
17.10.2004, 16:53
I was in choir west,and yes I could hear the Basses,if only the Bbs.How strange!?
Perhaps the clean up/refurbishment of the venue had some strange acoustical effect? And again Will the Sec's comments on BAYV's ending seem correct to me.
I was not happy with the top 2 places myself. I felt both performances were heavy--too much mountain and not enough flowers maybe.Consequently I feel that Reg Vardy,Travelsphere and Tredegar might have been placed even higher than they were. Nevertheless I bow to the adjudicator's vast experience and am grateful for a cracking contest.
Spanky
P.S. Mnozil---WOW!!!
Well done to Black Dyke! Thought it was an excellent performance!
Have to say i am pleased at our 7th place, but didn't think we played as well as we could have. Still, would have taken 7th at the beggining of the day!!!
Thought Scottish Co-op deserved more than they got though.
Adam did you talk to the lady compere after the ensemble?
Unfortunately, yes! That was me making a tit of myself!
Mrs Fruity
17.10.2004, 18:45
i've just regained the power of speech and typing- can i just say aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarggggghhhhhhh h yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
thanks to everyone in the goat for being such a fab crowd especially the co. Congratulations to Black Dyke and all the others who won prizes and well done RV on the best nationals result in the band's history.
Most of all thanks and congratulations to Mr Farr - a sublime musician.
Kerwintootle
17.10.2004, 18:52
Just waiting in Heathrow airport.
Great weekend!!!!!!!!! Yippee!!!!!
Superb result and great concert last night. Thanks to all at Dyke for the great fun over the last few weeks.
Congrats to all prizewinners and especially Reg Vardy Ever Ready.
Good to see John and Roger at the tmp stand.
Not looking forward to this very long flight home.
Alex K
BoozyBTrom
17.10.2004, 19:26
Wow!!!!!! What a weekend. Congratulations to the Dyke and to YBS. Nice to see lots of old friends and make some new ones.
And a big thank you to all who have contacted the band to say well done. We really appreciate it.
Best wishes to all from Reg Vardy Band
BottyBurp
17.10.2004, 20:06
Anyone know why top section finalists were (and rightly so!) allowed to position their instruments where they liked, but 1st section bands (at Harrogate) weren't? Both contests were run by Kapitol...
backrowbloke
17.10.2004, 20:55
Anyone know why top section finalists were (and rightly so!) allowed to position their instruments where they liked, but 1st section bands (at Harrogate) weren't? Both contests were run by Kapitol...
Presume you mean percussion here Mr BB
Naomi McFadyen
17.10.2004, 21:09
Dyke were class.... as soon as the piece was over I said to Steve that they were Winners :-)
YBS' performance was very much differently interpreted.
Well done to the top 6 :-)
Great to see Bren with Travelsphere at our hotel :-)
Well done Ginge for your little bit of stardom getting interviewed keeping that lady company :lol:
;)
RobertJohn
18.10.2004, 00:33
the pre-results entertainment was good. the silence after cory was spooky. the top three were spot on. it was mint.
Straightmute
18.10.2004, 00:42
Anyone know why top section finalists were (and rightly so!) allowed to position their instruments where they liked, but 1st section bands (at Harrogate) weren't? Both contests were run by Kapitol...
I'd guess it was because at Harrogate they had to fit more than forty bands into each day and at the RAH there were 'only' twenty.
Organisers of the lower section finals are still haunted by the ghost of Torquay. I'll never forget waking up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night and finding that there were still four bands to play....Leonardo!!! Nightmare.
Give me officious little men in blue T-shirts telling me where to stick my kit any day.
D
PeterBale
18.10.2004, 08:21
Good day all round on Saturday, although I heard fewer bands than usual, partly due to time spent at the tMP stand. I certainly found it an interesting test, and several of the MDs found things in it that others didn't. No quibbles personally with the result - although I was just too late getting back in for Reg Vardy's reading, the louder sections I could hear from outside were very impresssive.
I thought David Evan's interpretation was very different, much more restrained than many, even if it didn't quite come off. Good to hear the bass trom given a bit more of a challenge, although several seemed uncomfortable with the Bb after the opening Cs. Also good to hear some effective section work for the horns, and the few bars duet for flugel & solo horn brought out some good playing from most players.
Yes, great to meet up on tmp stand!
I agreed with the top 3, excellent choice. Could not understand how so many Sops could be so out of tune with their bands, and how many bass tbns played their solos so badly at this level!
Sitting in choir west we could hear everything, I think it was purely the unusual writing for the basses that made them sound different.
BTW I thought Whitburn had some of the most stunning solists of the day!
www.euph9.freeserve.co.uk
sugarandspice
18.10.2004, 09:17
Unfortunately, yes! That was me making a tit of myself!
i'm sure i said "bet you made an **** of yourself!" just wish i was there to see it!
well done everyone :-)
two cornish bands in the top ten woo-hoo :-) :-)
Essex Elvis
18.10.2004, 09:53
A good day .No argument with the top 2 places, and most of us had 3-6 up there in varying orders compared to the men in the box.Thought a few bands were placed lower than their performances suggested - Wingates, Leyland and Scots co-op particularly.
The piece itself grew on me throughout the day , and nice to see some MD's also getting the Baritone on feet as well as the usual end men at the end of their performances.
Thought Mnozli were great - shame we could not here more from them at the time and I for one will be very keen to see them in concert at some stage next time they are down London way.
I thought my moment had come when they announced that "Eupho player of the year" was going to a young man who had given some outstanding performances this year - this is it , I thought , my unique interpretation of "West Side Story " and "Oklahoma" etc in front of two old ladies and a dog in West Ham park had got the recognition it deserved.Went to some youngster instead though , but I hear he is quite reasonable , although I bet he can't play a hymn tune !!!!
(And generally could anyone hear the basses? The overall bass sound was lost for much of the day where we were.)
it must have been the place you were sitting. i was sort of opposite you in the circle and the balcony was really rumbling at times. as an albert hall virgin i was amazed at the resonance and size of sound four tubas and a bass trom could make in such an enormous space. black dyke had the biggest, most wonderful bass sound - no surprises there eh.
should also have said that i preferred YBS' interpretation - of course i may be biased but i had them just ahead of dyke. Dyke were ultra polished and so so so so slick and classy, but YBS were the only band that put a real space and ethereal beauty into the piece. they were the only band that made the music truly moving for me.
By the way does anybody know killiney hill in dublin??
Dave Euph
18.10.2004, 10:59
Congrats to all top-placed bands and well-done to all who competed. Getting into the Nationals in the first place is ****** difficult so they should all be proud no matter how well/badly they did (although I wouldn't be in a position to comment on that :D).
By the way does anybody know killiney hill in dublin??
<off topic> Aye </off topic>
Well done to all ;) Tmp Prediction results up soon...
Just a quick message to Alex Kerwin.
It was an absolute pleasure seeing you again this weekend.
What a super star.
John. xx
TheMusicMan
18.10.2004, 11:41
Just a quick message to Alex Kerwin.
It was an absolute pleasure seeing you again this weekend.
What a super star.
John. xx Hi JD - you can contact Alex via PM here on tMP... her tMP username is Kerwintootle. :tup
Thanks mate.
Just assume she is on a plane at the mo.
John.
[QUOTE=Keppler]<off topic> Aye </off topic>
QUOTE]
me too. that was a leading question. from killiney hill you can see the ferries coming in and out of dun laoghaire harbour. i think the bass trom cadenza was supposed to conjure up the parping of ships horns. not all the bands gave this cadenza a maritime feel though.
I thought the piece was a great success and no surprise that the soloist prize went to a sop player (and no surprise who!!)
What did surprise me though was that both Dyke and BAYV used 2 sops - Dyke's second man and BAYV's 3rd! Assume this is within the rules if you play the same instrument throughout as opposed to switching between sop and Bb, much the same as playing a BBb bass part on an EEb. Nonetheless this is the first time I've seen it done at this level and, bearing in mind Dyke won, clearly of some benefit (assuming it's done well!) Any views?
brassneck
18.10.2004, 12:00
'The Contest is open to Brass Bands only, consisting of a maximum of 25 brass players plus percussionists as required. Brass instrumentation shall be from the following list: Eb Soprano Cornet, Bb Cornet, Bb Flugel Horn, Eb Tenor Horn, Bb Baritone, Bb Euphonium,Slide Trombones, Eb and EEb Bass, Bb and BBb Bass, (Eb Trumpets are not permitted).'
Mmmmmm.,... no indication here that either were in breach of rules. I tried also to find something that forbids players swapping instruments during a performance but nothing observed.
geordiecolin
18.10.2004, 13:01
Congrats to all. Especially RV! Keeping it real for the North East!!!
My first Nationals in London and what an experience. The way the whole place was quiet just before the opening chord was awesome! We weren't too pleased with some aspects of the performance but were pleased when we found out we were 11th. Of what I gather, our performance was a bit different and it didn't please the adjudicators. But thats how it goes! Just hope we can be back next year to give it another shot!
Well done to all the prize winners!
supersplit
18.10.2004, 15:34
'The Contest is open to Brass Bands only, consisting of a maximum of 25 brass players plus percussionists as required. Brass instrumentation shall be from the following list: Eb Soprano Cornet, Bb Cornet, Bb Flugel Horn, Eb Tenor Horn, Bb Baritone, Bb Euphonium,Slide Trombones, Eb and EEb Bass, Bb and BBb Bass, (Eb Trumpets are not permitted).'
Mmmmmm.,... no indication here that either were in breach of rules. I tried also to find something that forbids players swapping instruments during a performance but nothing observed.
Add Alliance to the 2 sopranos list! Still, I can see why!
Congrats to all the prize winners.
I didn't like the piece to start but it did eventually grow on me.
I think 12th place was a pretty fair assessment of our performance.
One day we'll break that top ten barrier!
Graham
Soprano
Redbridge
'The Contest is open to Brass Bands only, consisting of a maximum of 25 brass players plus percussionists as required. Brass instrumentation shall be from the following list: Eb Soprano Cornet, Bb Cornet, Bb Flugel Horn, Eb Tenor Horn, Bb Baritone, Bb Euphonium,Slide Trombones, Eb and EEb Bass, Bb and BBb Bass, (Eb Trumpets are not permitted).'
Mmmmmm.,... no indication here that either were in breach of rules. I tried also to find something that forbids players swapping instruments during a performance but nothing observed.
I thought that swapping had been banned ever since a euphonium player won both the best euphonium prize and the best soloist prize in the same performance or something along those lines... may be completely wrong though.......
PeterBale
18.10.2004, 16:11
I thought that swapping had been banned ever since a euphonium player won both the best euphonium prize and the best soloist prize in the same performance or something along those lines... may be completely wrong though.......
That I believe was when they brought in the rule that no player could take two instruments on stage (since varied on occasion, to allow a cornet/flugel doubling as in "Dances & Arias").
brassneck
18.10.2004, 16:57
re:doubling instruments..... wondering if the solo bench parts had opt. soprano part added to description? I suppose it was just 'solo cornet' and not 'solo Bb cornet'?
Add Alliance to the 2 sopranos list! Still, I can see why!
Congrats to all the prize winners.
I didn't like the piece to start but it did eventually grow on me.
I think 12th place was a pretty fair assessment of our performance.
One day we'll break that top ten barrier!
Graham
Soprano
Redbridge
Just to clear up the two sops query. We did double check that it was ok to do this. We were told that basically you can have any combination of the list given above by brassneck. What you can't have is a player swapping instruments halfway though a performance/take two instruments on stage.
In other words, if you want 25 Bb basses - go ahead!
Well done Graham on a horrible sop part. I'm so glad I play tenor horn!
Meg
Alliance Brass
The number one band for 2 years in a row. Well, draw anyway.
What was the deal with all the ssshing before and whilst BAYV were walking on to the stage?
Some bands get cheered onto the stage which is completley wrong as then the adjudicators know it is a "big" band.
Same thing happens every year at the areas. Its a big shame that is does happen.
Sonny Barker
18.10.2004, 20:49
Some bands get cheered onto the stage which is completley wrong as then the adjudicators know it is a "big" band.
Same thing happens every year at the areas. Its a big shame that is does happen.
Was it only BAYV that were 'shushed' onto the stage?
No, YBS, Dyke and Grimey were also shushed. (as far as i could tell)
Sonny Barker
18.10.2004, 21:01
No, YBS, Dyke and Grimey were also shushed. (as far as i could tell)
So, it was still pretty easy to spot the big-boys, then!!!
Perhaps everyone should politely cough when the players walk on stage. That way, cheerers and shushers will be drowned out!
grimey were at the finals?
iggmeister
18.10.2004, 21:27
No, YBS, Dyke and Grimey were also shushed. (as far as i could tell)
As for Dyke, the announcer had literally only some 30 seconds previously reminded the audience not to clap any bands on stage! D'oh! This was because Dyke were the first band back on after the break.
Don't think that really affected the result though.
Igg
grandfilth
18.10.2004, 22:33
grimey were at the finals?
haha
Steve Earley
20.10.2004, 10:28
I too was perplexed by Cory's ending; it seemed as if Bob Childs was trying to bluff us all into thinking that they were still playing after they had stopped, but it cut off far too soon and at too high a dynamic for this to work. I know the pause is marked with a square sign, not a curved one (hence should be a short one, which was widely ignored), but it seemed as if they had cut off as if there was no pause at all. Strange, but thought-provoking.
The BAYV ending was indeed odd - as you say, cut off too soon too loud for the (presumed) effect to come off. FYI the use of a square fermata sign indicates that the note should be held for even longer than a curved femata (short fermatas are indicated by a inverted V with a dot in the middle). The composer made this even clearer by writing the instruction 'lunga' on the part which either means 'very long' or maybe (certainly for me as a bass player) 'use the lungs'. Given all this, I don't think that a single band played that last chord to the desired length (which would be around 18 beats...) How pedantic am I?
Humphrey
20.10.2004, 14:04
Dyke were class.... as soon as the piece was over I said to Steve that they were Winners :-)
Par for the course then! ;)
Brian Bowen
20.10.2004, 16:40
The BAYV ending was indeed odd - as you say, cut off too soon too loud for the (presumed) effect to come off. FYI the use of a square fermata sign indicates that the note should be held for even longer than a curved femata (short fermatas are indicated by a inverted V with a dot in the middle). The composer made this even clearer by writing the instruction 'lunga' on the part which either means 'very long' or maybe (certainly for me as a bass player) 'use the lungs'. Given all this, I don't think that a single band played that last chord to the desired length (which would be around 18 beats...) How pedantic am I? From where I was sitting in the stalls, it sounded as though BAYV's ending went completely wrong after the solo cornetist ended, with another cornet trying to re-enter on the upper G and then it all fizzled out -- except for the conductor beating an imaginary chord (does one usually beat out a pause?). I agree, no band seemed to hold a "lunga" (long) pause as written in the score. But the meaning of the square fermata sign is questionable. In his authorative book Music Notation, Gardner Read says it is a "medium hold". But the best bands managed a quite magical sound at the end with the use of mutes.
Tuba Miriam
21.10.2004, 10:40
Interesting to read the comments about BAYV's ending, it did seem a little premature; however I wondered if it was entirely deliberate. As someone mentioned previously, Bob Child's conducting solo stopped the audience from bursting into spontaneous applause the moment the last note ended, giving the piece that magical 'audience stunned into silence' effect. Plus, from the adjudicator's perspective in the box, perhaps the last ppp chord was so quiet as to be inaudible: the best ppp of the day! The adjudicators weren't to know the band were sitting there, quite composed, instruments on laps. From my seat in the choir I could see Bob Childs smiling as he finished his conducting solo: was this the smile of someone who'd pulled off an audacious ending or of someone embarrassed at the fact the ending had gone awry???
stephen_clapton
21.10.2004, 10:53
...was this the smile of someone who'd pulled off an audacious ending or of someone embarrassed at the fact the ending had gone awry???
Only Bob knows! whatever happened, he managed to confuse a lot of people very well!!!
The King of Wise
21.10.2004, 11:19
There's a big difference between ppp and premature silence. It would be interseting to get a Cory perspective on this, but I think he cut the band off prematurely because the chord had gone awry, with players popping in and out with their contribution.
Well done Black Dyke though. Great band, but not as good as '59.
Lalo
brassneck
21.10.2004, 11:28
Only Bob knows! whatever happened, he managed to confuse a lot of people very well!!!... maybe he thought the judges wouldn't hear the last chord anyway, so he counted out the remaining time..... to stop the audience clapping and maybe giving the game away! Only 'slight discomfort in closing bars' and 'odd moment of fatigue' noted in comments. So it must have worked!
[apologies for jumping the gun and virtually posting the same opinion as someone earlier!)
Great piece of music - dont care what anyone says - apperently its on Radio 3 on Sunday at 3.00. Heard EYMS (tubular bell-end with mobile phone!), fairies and cory. Unlike others - didn't really hear "THE" performance - you know, when you just think...wow!
Also heard Cwmaman play as I was playing Euph at the time. Don't go there. Next year will all look out! (if we qualify of course)... Lush place to play, RAH - beats Ammanford Comp anyday.
Congrats to prize winners and winning band etc.
PeterBale
22.10.2004, 17:09
Great piece of music - dont care what anyone says - apperently its on Radio 3 on Sunday at 3.00. Heard EYMS (tubular bell-end with mobile phone!), fairies and cory. Unlike others - didn't really hear "THE" performance - you know, when you just think...wow!
Also heard Cwmaman play as I was playing Euph at the time. Don't go there. Next year will all look out! (if we qualify of course)... Lush place to play, RAH - beats Ammanford Comp anyday.
Congrats to prize winners and winning band etc.
I think you'll find the Radio 3 broadcast is on Sunday 31st October - I'll confirm time after the weekend. The programme includes interviews with the composer and participants in the contest.
mikelyons
22.10.2004, 18:22
If I can be naughty and pre-empt Peter:
According to radio 3's website it's on the 31st October at 3:30pm for 1/2 hour - highlights - who knows what that means :)
Great piece of music - dont care what anyone says - apperently its on Radio 3 on Sunday at 3.00. Heard EYMS (tubular bell-end with mobile phone!), fairies and cory. Unlike others - didn't really hear "THE" performance - you know, when you just think...wow!
Also heard Cwmaman play as I was playing Euph at the time. Don't go there. Next year will all look out! (if we qualify of course)... Lush place to play, RAH - beats Ammanford Comp anyday.
Congrats to prize winners and winning band etc.
Hooray - fame at last:p
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