Who wants to watch F1 on Sky?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by Paddy Flower, Apr 20, 2011.


Who wants to watch Formula One on Sky?

  1. Yes

    2 vote(s)
  2. No

    21 vote(s)
  1. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    I don't have an active dislike of F1. The MotoGP thing was mainly to show that the same thing happens in any motorsport, and that drivers/riders careers are far more often advanced or limited by their commercial viability than how good they are. Jarno Trulli for example, stayed in F1 far too long and was never any good.... but brought in huge amounts of money for the team, because his family owned a chain of supermarkets.

    You know the easiest way to improve F1?

    Humanely cull Bernie Ecclestone.....
    Last edited: May 13, 2011
  2. themusicalrentboy

    themusicalrentboy Active Member

    now there's an idea. I can't fault the man for his entrepreneurial nous, but the man would sell his own family if it could make him any more money...
  3. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    And therein lies the problem. F1 isn't following the fans any more, it's following the money. So when some small arab country with huge amounts of money and vast oil reserves decides they want to raise their profile, they buy in a F1 race - which nobody goes to, and the track is usually rubbish - but bernie doesn't care because he makes a boatload of brass, and the teams just have to do what they're told.

    I still think if the f1 rules were thrashed out by the teams, the competition would be a lot better. Because they'd look to actually improve the cars - rather than further regulating the system to make the cars slower.

    The simple question is, are the cars being engineered to go as fast as possible? If the answer is no, then you're not racing.
  4. themusicalrentboy

    themusicalrentboy Active Member

    The cars were restricted and the tracks improved/made less difficult at the drivers' request. I agree about Bernie - trying to get another Dubai-esque race in at the expense of Silverstone is a disgrace and it shows he doesn't know or care about the heritage of the sport.

    Also, the F1 rules are thrashed out by the teams.... well, one of them at any rate....
  5. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    I don't see any improvements to the tracks at all Chris. Bernie has had his chance to design a track suitable for F1 with Barain and china, same old, same old - boring.

    Silverstone, have you ever tried getting to the track?? Transport links a nightmare, I ended up walking to it one day and it was only for BSB a few years ago, goodness knows whats it like on F1 day!! Its old and knackered and have not spent much on it considering how many races and track days they do there a year.

    Best track for F1 racing in my opinon is Hockenheim and since they changed the track a few years ago its a great track for racing and to get to the races. Monza even do free train service to the track.

    What do silverstone offer, naff all!
  6. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    And anything they can't thrash out in the rules, they thrash out in the courtroom. Particularly with the recent metoric rise of the 'utterly impartial' Jean Todt. Makes it even more odd they don't win anything these days.....

    It brings us back to the same point. F1 has had to purposely introduce poor-quality products in order to try (and in my opinion fail) to make the racing competitive. Tyres that deliberately shred themselves? Why? What does that bring to the racing that cutting edge technology doesn't? If you want unpredictability, don't try and build it in by makingw purposely poor quality equipment compulsory. Let the teams develop new propulsion methods, new tyre compounds, new suspension parts - which will all be unreliable when they're new and lead to unpredictable results.

    F1 has tried tweaking, and even drastically overhauling the rules in recent years, all of which have still left it a processional yawn-fest in all but the most extreme of cases. I very much doubt that the proposed move to 1.6 litre four-cylinder turbos with drastically reduced downforce will improve things - because once again, you're standardising too much equipment, stifling innovation, and making any advantage the team can gain millimetric, rather than decisive. (That and the fact that the cars will be DOG slow....)

    Deregulation, not over-regulation is what will breed interesting racing. And the sooner the powers that be in world motorsporrt realise that, the better.
    Last edited: May 13, 2011
  7. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Since they changed the track a few year's ago it's a pointless, techincal excercise, sadly emasculated from the schizophrenic and capricious test it used to be.

    The best tracks on the world motor-racing circuit are the old ones - those that haven't been destroyed like hockenheim and Assen anyway.

    Monza (largely unmolested) Silverstone (OK, issues with transport links, but HUGE amounts spent on facilities.... thanks to motoGP!) Spa-francorchamps, Montreal, Laguna Seca, Motegi, Sachsenring, Interlagos, Suzuka etc.

    Monaco is fun for the historical aspect of it, but it's always a rubbish race because it's completely impossible to overtake. If it was anywhere else it would have gone the way of Pau. Fuji has gone on for years, gradually getting worse and worse with more and more chicanes and a longer and longer straight (until you could practically land a space shuttle there) and it's completely destroyed the flow of it. Shanghai is just rubbish, a mere technical exercise. Sepang the same. The street circuit at Valencia was an idiotic exercise, because Valencia already has the Ricardo Tormo circuit, which is a cracker in superbikes, MotoGP, world touring cars and GTs. But Bernie does like his street circuits and I'm guessing someone paid him a lot of money not to have it there.

    The only modern circuit I'm actually properly impressed with is Istanbul Parkway - mainly because of that three-turn sequence that ends with a bonkers flat-out corner that's a proper old-school cojones of steel job.
  8. nook1938

    nook1938 Supporting Member

    If you made all the cars the same spec, then see who is the fastest driver, look at all the Teams that dominate for a time till another team gets the edge, then it's a follow my leader and if teams issue orders, then it is a waste of time watching.
    I will not be watching it on Sky, that is another waste of money, too many repeats.

    20.00 already, its time for bed.

    Last edited: Aug 7, 2011
  9. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    what does people think of the new F1 coveragge on sky? I have to say its excellent, but that wasn't very difficult to begin with it!

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