I am after a 2nd hand bass trombone preferably with independent set up and open wrap valves. Realistically I have about 1k to spend or part x my existing Holton TR181. I was after a Yamaha 613H ideally but they seem to be as rare as hens teeth. I had looked about at the cheaper new instruments (Peter Gane, Virtuosi, Elkhart etc) but am put off by their price tag....I am of the opinion that a good 2nd hand instrument is a better buy than a cheap new one. If anyone has anything to add to the above or know here I might come by a 613H I would be most grateful.