What is the country (England) coming to?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by Hells Bones, Nov 22, 2007.

  1. Hells Bones

    Hells Bones Active Member

    There are many threads on this, I know, but tonight, I am almost ashamed to say that I am English.

    Sat in our band club watching the match, disappointed just like the millions of other English people all over the world whilst England were showing that if there is a way to screw up, they will find it.

    I am not ashamed of the English National side, no, every team has bad games and periods.

    What I am ashamed of are the actions of a woman in our bandclub.

    Screaming at the tv, swearing like there is no tomorrow in front of a bunch of kids, and I mean 8-10 years olds.

    And then stating that "P**i's" (Horrible slang for asians) could do better.

    At that point I started feeling ashamed, knowing that in almost every pub up and down the country the same thing would be happening.

    Is that what it is to be an English football fan?

    Your views?
  2. Lauradoll

    Lauradoll Active Member

    I thought the goalie was great. Well done that lad!
  3. 4thmandown

    4thmandown Member

    Largely because of its widespread appeal, football attracts all sections within society, most of which would never come together and "socialise" except for England football internationals. Sadly, different groups within society can have different standards of behaviour and morality, some of which can also be ascribed to ignorance.

    "Minority" sports such as rugby and cricket don't suffer from this simply because they don't have this mass following. (unfortunately they can tend to be a bit elitist as well).

    The other thing to remember is you're English, not Ingerlish and you are proud of your nation England, and have no connection with that other country Ingerland.

    I recall once coming back from a band trip to France and encountering a group of Ingerlish at a service station. Their behaviour was appalling and made me feel ashamed to be English. My friends and I then tried (very badly) to speak in French so that we wouldn't be tarred with the same brush. I'm sure that the French people picked up on that, as we were treated quite differently, with all due courtesy and politeness.
  4. Leyfy

    Leyfy Active Member

    Might have been heard to say in pub (rather loudly!) that any idiot can understand a ball being hoofed into a net, whereas understanding laws of cricket (and rugby) takes a *little* bit more brains..... :redface:

    (Not tarring all football supporters with the same brush here at ALL - but rather a comment on 'mass' appeal compared to other sports)
  5. Masterblaster jnr

    Masterblaster jnr Active Member

    No offense to the Rugby playing or supporting tMPers, but in Rugby Union, is there a law saying when ever you get the ball you must kick for touch. if not, what is the advantage of doing so.
  6. Red Elvis

    Red Elvis Active Member

    So you did enjoy all those world cup games after all then ? :)
  7. cornet1991

    cornet1991 New Member

    firstly i think that they did play poor last night and there is no explanation to it.
    secondly regarding the rugby i love rugby and have been playing alot, and the reason they kick the ball uo the field when they get it is because it pushes the opposing team back up field meaning that they have to start all over.
  8. Leyfy

    Leyfy Active Member

    I enjoyed them because I was with you, my lovely ;)

  9. Bayerd

    Bayerd Active Member

    Territory, it's gets you nearer the opposing team's try line, and them further away from yours.
  10. 4thmandown

    4thmandown Member

    Drifting off track, methinks? I thought this was about loutish behaviour by the Ingerlish?
  11. stevetrom

    stevetrom Well-Known Member

    There is such a thing as passionate support, and by it's nature when you support a team passionately and they let you down you react passionately.

    I like rugby and am dissappionted when England lose.

    I'm interested in cricket and am annoyed when England lose.

    I'm passionate about football and get totally p****d off when Ingerland play as badly as they did last night.
  12. Bryan_sop

    Bryan_sop Active Member

    Unfortunately, that's part of the business (yes business not game) of football. By that I don't include everyone who likes football, that would just be daft. I despise the game, partly for that reason! The other main reason is, as I said above, it's not a game, it's a business. I was listening to the Radio this morning and all they were talking about was how much McClaren was getting paid off for getting the boot! Nothing about the actual game?! It's all about the money!
  13. geordiecolin

    geordiecolin Active Member

    Like many in the North East, I couldn't give two stuffs about England/Ingerland or whatever you call them.

    At least now that he has no club commitments next summer Michael Owen might stay fit for his Newcastle call ups.
  14. Pythagoras

    Pythagoras Active Member

    Doesn't justify racism.

    Don't buy the argument that not becoming a completely unpleasant nasty foul-mouthed yob means that you are not passionate. Or if it does, then fine, I'm not passionate. Like watching England rugby and cricket matches down the pub, with people supporting England but not being loutish, but not the football, as the bahaviour of some people always spoils it.
  15. stevetrom

    stevetrom Well-Known Member

    Sometimes when your passion is roused you say things that you would not normally say, it is a little unfair to judge anyone on a comment made in the heat of the moment.

    My point was that, on the whole, football generates far more passion than any other sport and so you can expect to get more passionate reactions to dissapointment.
  16. tubafran

    tubafran Active Member

    Heard a report last night that England's failure to qualify will cost the county £2billion!!! No wonder footballers get paid so much - if that's the financial consequence clearly they weren't paid enough.

    The calculation is based on the fact that we won't buy as much beer, or bbqs or have parties. That advertises won't pay ridiculous sums to be on the telly when the footie would have been on. Less newspapers sales 'cos there be nothing to write about.
  17. stevetrom

    stevetrom Well-Known Member

    I could'nt care less about the financial implications of England not qualifying, to me (and I hope all other England fans) it is a sport, granted a very rich sport, but it is success or failure on the pitch that is important.
  18. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Like any sport, there are good and bad fans.

    Myself and a couple of mates sat in the elland road family stand, surrounded by Leeds supporters who couldn't get a ticket for the Kop end, and watched my own team (Newcastle) beat them 4-2 a few years back. Obviously, the leeds boys were dissapointed at seeing their team lose, but we all agreed we'd seen a great game as it could have been seven all, we had a laugh and a joke, and wound up in the same pub for the rest of the evening.

    In fact, when another supposed "Fan" started giving us trouble, the other boys in white stepped in and got them to leave us alone.

    The flip-side of the coin is I've also had had insults, cans/bottles etc thrown at me, and even been attacked, just for wearing my black and white stripes in the same city - and I flippin live there!

    I don't think that it's particular to football either. People are just people - and either they have the basic level of respect necessary to be a proper part of society, or they don't.

    Whilst I wasn't there, based upon what you said this person yelled at the screen, and the company they were in, it's pretty obvious the category they fall into.

    And it's only because some of us have the respect to allow people their own views that this sort of behaviour is tolerated.
  19. Hells Bones

    Hells Bones Active Member

    Something similar happened to me a few years ago, when I was 14, I was attacked by an 18 year old guy who was wearing a City shirt just because I had my United shirt on, he hit me to the floor from behind, stamped on me a few times and then tried to rip my shirt off.

    I have seen the guy a few times since, he will be 25 now. I act like it didn't happen, he usually shrinks when he sees me. I have grown up much bigger than he thought I would.


    It is not the behaviour of football fans that makes me ashamed, it is the behaviour of women. What happened to women being feminine and ladylike? Maybe I am old fashioned! You see it on the TV so often now, women baring their behinds or their top halves (being polite here!) when they are on camera and generally embarrassing themselves when they are drunk. Makes me ashamed to be a woman these days!

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