Wanted - Baritone Teacher

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Jack E, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. Jack E

    Jack E Well-Known Member

    I've been trawling round the net, asked advice of friends (who couldn't think of anyone), and I still haven't sorted out a good music teacher to up my skills on baritone.

    So, any suggestions as to who to go to (or who to avoid)? I'm based in NW Derbyshire.

    A point made by my MD was this; "Go to the absolute BEST one you can find, even if you can only afford to have one lesson a month, or even every other month. You'll learn more, and faster, that way than you will do by going to a mediocre one three times a week."

    Having made exactly the same mistake on riding lessons at a mediocre school, I can only cringe at what a waste of ten years (and thousands of pounds!) it was. The only teaching I got there was from the horses, not the staff! And it was a revelation when I finally tracked down a school with instructors who A) knew their stuff, and B) knew how to teach - and not just endlessly shout out gibberish phrases that they'd memorised on their training courses, without even knowing what they meant.

    If you'd prefer to pass the word on by PMs, that's fine with me.

    Many thanks,

    Jack
     
  2. ari01

    ari01 Active Member

  3. 2nd tenor

    2nd tenor Well-Known Member

    I would guess that the person suggested above is as good as anyone could be but can’t help thinking about sledge hammers and walnuts ....... It’s a delicate situation but if Jack could outline what his current arrangements were and what things he would like to change for the better then perhaps some more local suggestions might be forthcoming.

    Specialist Baritone teachers are, I would have thought, in very short supply; whilst I can see why an undergraduate student might need one I can’t see why someone below grade eight would. To my mind a good brass teacher is a good teacher regardless of what instrument they play because they have: the ability to interact and convey knowledge, an appreciation of all the brass instruments and expertise in all the common elements of brass playing. Of course I could be way out there ....... however, the person that gives me the occasional lesson plays their own preferred choice of brass plus everything else - to be honest I couldn’t wish for more from them except more of their very limited time.

    It’s just a thought Jack, perhaps lowering your sights towards an expert in brass tuition for the ‘middle grades’ would be helpful to you, someone who teaches adults and older pupils would be a real (additional) boom too. I think that someone like Trumpet Mike (a respected teacher who occasionally posts here) could help you; might a second, independent and informed opinion from someone like him help you see more options and refocus your search?

    I hope that the above is a help, apologies if it’s not.
     
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  4. Jack E

    Jack E Well-Known Member

    Maybe I didn't phrase that as clearly as I could have done, 2T - the only reason I mentioned baritone was because that's what I play, but I'm not insisting on somebody who specialises in baritone and nothing else.

    At present, I'm getting tuition from the best players in my band, but it's in a group situation, rather than one to one - and I find that heavy going at times, and not conducive to concentration. I'm not expecting an international grade pro - but, as I pointed out in my initial post, there are teachers and there are teachers, and I don't want to waste money as I have done on riding lessons in the past.

    With best regards,

    Jack
     
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  5. Jack E

    Jack E Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your suggestion, Ari01 - but I think she's further than I'd prefer to travel, if I can avoid it (80 miles, each way, and a lot of it on motorways). These days, I find doing a longish run on motorways really takes it out of me, and I'd want to turn up for a lesson ready and able to concentrate.

    Katrina does do lessons via Skype, but the layout of my flat is just impractical for me to set up the necessary computer equipment in my tiny practise room - and neighbours would quite reasonably object if I was playing at, say, f or ff in my living room.

    With best regards,

    Jack
     
  6. 2nd tenor

    2nd tenor Well-Known Member

    Yes, it’s easy to give the wrong impression at times and unfortunately I don’t think that the thread tittle can be altered by you. Group learning is a lot better than nothing but you have my sympathies on that too, I find it best to have individual help but that’s not always possible. Could I suggest that you remind the forum of roughly where you are in the country, that you discretely ask members of your senior band about (good) teachers and that even more discretely (but with your MD’s blessing) you contact the secretary’s of nearby bands asking for recommendations too. I tend to use email too much, a telephone conversation can flow better and whilst getting some recommendations of the good you might also get steered away from some others too.

    Many higher section bands have Music Teachers and Music Graduates in them, so maybe you might get a start (with one of those) in your own (senior) band before finding and settling on a longer term teacher? I think it inevitable that some of your money will be wasted on imperfect lessons, that’s how it goes but the good news is that some will be well spent and that you’ll very likely make more progress with lessons if not in as fiscally efficient a manner as might be possible.

    I hope that the above is helpful.
     
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  7. Jack E

    Jack E Well-Known Member

    In my first post on this thread, I wrote: "I'm based in NW Derbyshire."
    As I said in my first post, I have asked friends - and by that I meant friends in my band, including the music graduates, and the MD - to see if either they gave private lessons, or could recommend anyone. But I've no idea why you think I should do it discreetly; why would anyone in my band object to my wanting to improve my playing skills?
    If I just went around booking lessons on a random basis, in the hope that I would eventually find a good teacher, I'm sure that would be the case - but that's why I've been asking various people for their recommendations, so as to avoid wasting both time and money. And I'm pleased to say that a friend in another band has put me in touch with a teacher that she knows personally, and thoroughly recommends.

    With best regards,

    Jack
     
  8. 2nd tenor

    2nd tenor Well-Known Member

    It’s true that you did give your location as NW Derbyshire but people who live a distance away might be unaware of what Towns and Cities lie within that description. As an alternative someone might say something like: ‘I live near Buxton and my nearest nearest large town is Macclesfield, Macclesfield is East of and about a thirty minute drive from my home’. To some people NW Derbyshire means nothing whilst Macclesfield might be where their cousin, nephew or some pal used to play (so they know someone who might have just the local knowledge you’re looking for). My apologies for not making that descriptive distinction of location clearer in my earlier post.

    ‘Friends’ is quite a broad term. I’m glad that it included the particular set of people that I thought most likely to be able to help you. As for discrete; well the value of that is just too hard for me to explain, but it sure does have a value.

    I’m glad that you now have a teacher in mind - perhaps someone matching my comments in #3 above - and hope that things work out well. Good luck and all the best, 2T.
     
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  9. Mujician

    Mujician Member

    If you can get to Ilkeston, I'd be more than happy to help.
     
  10. Jack E

    Jack E Well-Known Member

    Good evening, Mujician - I've sent you a PM.

    With best regards,

    Jack
     

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