Vibrato and jaw pain

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  1. Leonidasthewookiee

    Leonidasthewookiee New Member

    Hi, I'm Matt and I play principle cornet for thoresby colliery youth band, I've recently developed the ability to wiggle the chin and vib, however I'm experiencing some pain in my jaw. Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
    Cheers Matt
  2. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Sounds like you may be tensing some unnecessary muscles while doing it. Have a think about exactly what's going on in your face when you wobble the chin, as opposed to when you don't. If you find yourself tensing strange bits (i.e. pretty much anything to do with your lower jaw and its connection to the skull at the side) at all, work on achieving a vibrato without doing this. If you can't diagnose the problem, it may be worth speaking to a medical specialist who can advise on what is going on.
  3. pbirch

    pbirch Member

    i would recommend your dentist
  4. Leonidasthewookiee

    Leonidasthewookiee New Member

    I'll ask someone to take a look what I'm doing next time I'm playing. I feared that I might have to talk to the dentist, I will of course if this continues, as it is quite annoying haha.
    Thanks for all the help
  5. towse1972

    towse1972 Active Member

    Maybe you are just using muscles that you aren't used to using. If it doesn't stop very soon consult a good teacher.
  6. dhanimiller

    dhanimiller Member

    Yeah, a teacher would be your best bet. If anything they would help you try to create vib by oscillating the air flow inside your mouth
  7. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Throat vib, you mean? I'd be very surprised if a reputable teacher recommended that.
  8. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    There are different ways to achieve controlled vibrato. I tend to favour what seems to be based in the throat (which naturally moves the back of the jaw). Steven Mead has his method explained here, and on googlebooks, an older summary is found here. And of course there is hand vibrato and lip vibrato (summarised with others in link).
  9. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    We all don't have the convenience of slides, Dave. ;) Throat vib is more likely "diaphragm" based vib but "controlled" further up the air flow channel.
  10. Neillyboy

    Neillyboy Member

    if you wish to see some uncontrollable, hand, throat, finger, leg, torso, head vibrato, head along to your nearest regional champs lol
  11. dhanimiller

    dhanimiller Member

    I meant oscillating the air with the opening of the lips when your embouchure is formed (rather like a flute player, this was shown to me by Dave King). I find this works best for me on Cornet. I can imagine that for larger instruments there may be a bit more jaw involved, and of course a bit of elbow on euphonium ;P
    I've never come across throat vib?
  12. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Vib is oscillation of the air going out... diaphram not involved as it is used when air is going in....

    The Flute analogy is good...

    I've also had it described as...

    normal not.. Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    Vib note.. Ta ya ya ya ya ya ....
  13. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    Ah, so a variant of the bandingly-classic lip vib. Makes more sense to me now!
  14. Leonidasthewookiee

    Leonidasthewookiee New Member

    Cheers for all the suggestions. I don't really think I'd be able to try throat vibrato I'd just got the chin wobble off to a tee!! I used to use my fingers for wobbling the cornet but I was told that harms your embouchure. I'm planning on asking Mark Walters what he thinks I'm doing wrong, as he comes to our band practice pretty much every week seeing as his son plays for us. Here's a tip for the future, look out for nat walters, he is going to be a brilliant player, but with Mark as his mentor would you expect any less?
  15. Andrew Norman

    Andrew Norman Member

    Simple and brilliant - I've never seen it put so well.......
  16. GordonH

    GordonH Member

  17. Aussie Tuba

    Aussie Tuba Member

    maybe the vib is being over done. There is such a thing as to much vib. I think a case of less is more for my money. You will get no pain if you don't do the vibrato. just play the notes straight, I'm suprised no one else has even mentioned that.
  18. brassneck

    brassneck Active Member

    That's why I put diaphram in quotes ... ;) Odd, for me, vibrato was never taught. It was something that evolved, listening to and playing with others.
  19. Bryan_sop

    Bryan_sop Active Member

    Simple, Stop wobbling like you've got parkinsons!

    I still don't understand why brass banders do it?! 50 years ago people loved it, we got better though! Why the awful wobble?!
  20. Aussie Tuba

    Aussie Tuba Member

    Here here, I'l second that

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