Tuning Triggers

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by GeordieSop, Sep 28, 2009.

  1. FlugelD

    FlugelD Member

    If Di has cash to spare, there's someone not too far away from her will look after it, and invest it carefully...;)

    Anyway - Topic(ish) - petroleum products (ie valve oil and vaseline) buqqer slides - how often is the instrument cleaned?

    Mine (10 years old, now) is done, faithfully, every equinox - deposits don't get the chance to build, and everything is tickety-boo...;)
  2. DMBabe

    DMBabe Supporting Member

    I am selective about where my money goes though.......

    About what? No kiddies getting my money till I say so!!

    Are we talking your wheelie bin? thought it wanted to be PM not chancellor of the exchequer. ;)
  3. Alyn James

    Alyn James Member

    Can we get back on topic paleease darlings! There was a nicely developing exchange about grease not long ago....
  4. brassbandmaestro

    brassbandmaestro Active Member

    people were talking about valaves and what they use for them. Mind you, if people did regular practice at home, they wouldn't need them. The only time I have to use them is after a two - three week holiday, and that's the only time I use valve oil!!!

    NB Mind you, being a bass player, I don't have triggers. Hmm, there's a thought!!
  5. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    You do however have a fourth valve and a compensating system... Presumably...

    So if people did regular practise, they wouldn't need valves... You might want to take a little more care with your parsing sometimes, BBM... I'm sure you meant to say that a lot of people oil their valves more often than is necessary?
  6. lynchie

    lynchie Active Member

    You can just do it all by lipping things in if you practice enough. I haven't used any valves in ages.
  7. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    That's because you're a bagpiper
  8. worzel

    worzel Member

    Yeahbut, you've got when hell of a tuning throw.
  9. andywooler

    andywooler Supporting Member

    is this BBM in disguise? ;)
  10. brassbandmaestro

    brassbandmaestro Active Member

    Is this a usurper?!?!?!?:eek: Can't have that!!

    What i mean to say, Dave, was that if people practised regularly, anyway, I always found that i didn't need to put valve oil on!!

    BTW, Andy, hope your ok after Folkstone!!
  11. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    It depends how tight your valves are. We've got a Yamaha Maestro tuba on which the valves stick horribly if it is only left untended for a few days - they're made to very tight tolerances, and require careful lubrication.
  12. brassbandmaestro

    brassbandmaestro Active Member

    Hmmm, just as well I use one that the valves do not behave like that!!
  13. Getzonica

    Getzonica Active Member

    quite right there. Value oil can also make your values sticky if you put it on too regularly.
  14. themusicalrentboy

    themusicalrentboy Active Member

    I've found that with both Xenos I've had as well - they just drink oil.
  15. Getzonica

    Getzonica Active Member

    That's interesting. I find with the Getzens I've used, I've rarely had to put on valve oil.
  16. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Same is true of most Schilke valves as well. Very tight tolerances, and mine usually become sluggish and need clean oil every 2-3 days.

    Evidently Renold Schilke used to boast of 0.001" tolerance, but his engineers privately said that in practice it was nearer to 0.002". They said they were capable of building to 0.001", but that it didn't work, because the pressure of the players hand-grip on the valve casing would cause the pistons to bind.

    My old (vintage 1970's-ish) Bach Strad however will quite happily function for 6-8 weeks without re-oiling.
  17. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    ... only if you don't thoroughly clean off the old oil first!
  18. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    It also depends a bit on how fussy you are. Personally, I have to have very fast reliable valves, but on occasions I've picked up instruments belonging to people who claim not to have to oil regularly, and rapidly discovered why they're not very good at semiquaver passages ... :eek:
  19. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

    That's not reliable though... I rarely have to oil my valves when I am playing my Sovereign euphonium regularly, and those who know my playing will vouch that semiquaver passages are not a problem...

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