Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by GingerMaestro, Feb 14, 2006.
What if money was no object would your choice of cornet be
Mine is the Yamaha Maestro
An old (i.e. well built) Sovereign I reckon. Never liked Maestros, played 3 or 4 and they've all played like they've got a pork pie stuck in them.
Smith Watkins... just the job!!
Has to be the nicest cornet I have ever tried, but sadly a price to match, and as money is an object I'll stick to my Maestro, had it for years and its never let me down!!
It's all down to the player behind the Maestro jonesy
Fill the cornet not just the mouthpiece
Just changed to the Xeno and love it. Had a presitge before and had nothing but trouble with it, don't think RW checked any of the ones I had before they left the workshop
I think someone had filled the pipes with concrete before I got a chance to fill them with air :tongue:
Simply never liked them, just a personal thing. Would like to try a Xeno, though.
I know someone who spent £3500 on a Smith Watkins. I'm sure they're lovely but as you say megasop2000.... that's some serious money!
Money no object?? Got to be the Smith-Watkins. Wanted to try one in Gwent a few weeks ago, but i didn't want the kids in my youth band to hear how bad i really am!! Compared it to the Xeno, and there was no competition!!
Agree with Jonesy, the older Sov's are great, Maestro's are not great instruments. Don't think anyone in the band likes them.
Smith Watkins every time for me
Not Sure what extras he ^ was paying for for £3,500 !!
Not sure why - if money was no object - people are still going for the Maestro, when the Xeno is in a different class ( in my humble opinion )
Yeah it's not just the playability, but also the fact that when you pick one up you know you're holding a piece of quality engineering! I want something a bit chunky and with a bit of weight in it, rather than a light flimsy thing. The one I'm using right now must be 15 years old or more.
What sets the Smith-Watkins apart? I must say I've heard so many good things that I might just have to have a bash on one.
Interchangeable lead pipes. Still, a lot of money!
Xeno gets my vote of the newer instruments. Tried the Smith Watkins thought it was nothing special and not as nice as my 25 year old Sovereign. Maestro and Prestige make nice paperweights though.
If the Maestro makes a nice paper weight the the Xeno can double as a door stop
And the sovereign as a fishing weight
I'm not bitter that you don't like Maestro's:biggrin:
The new Xeno without question. After 7 years of playing on a Courtois 106 I traded it in earlier this year and got a new silver plated Xeno and it's superb. Very very happy with it.
Incidentally - under the category of "other" - has anyone tried out the new range of Wilson cornets? I think they're called the "Celebration" range..... or something like that. I had a shot of a couple at Rosehill Instruments and was very impressed.
I know what you mean about build quality of older Sovs, Ive had a Sovereign Soprano for years (the one with the tuning slide in the wrong place!!) its about 20 years old now and its built like a tank, and feels heavier than my Maestro.
As for the Smith Watkins, I tried one a couple of years back just to see what all the fuss was about. The instrument just looks, feels and sounds quality. It was very easy to blow and produced a gorgeous big sound. The intonation felt secure throughout the entire range and I just loved it. Give one a go, and see what you think.
But until I win the lottery, the maestro will have to do. I am tempted to try the Xeno... Maybe I will ask Yamaha if they will give me a free upgrade!!!
It depends on how good the individual instruments are!
I have access to a Lg Bore Maestro, Courtois 106XL and a Sovereign 927 (sister's really).
My Maestro is brilliant and very free blowing although previous comments seem to suggest that other maestros may not be so good!
I am just about to return the Courtois to the band.
Sovereigns can be excellent when you have a good one but the consistency is a problem.
Same with the prestige. Some are great, others really aren't.
I've only played the Xeno once but it was the clear winner for me. Perhaps I got lucky and tried a good one, but it was certainly outstanding when I played it.
I have heard reports however that they perform completely differently depending on the finish.
I think it's far too simplistic to just make a sweeping generalisation about which one is best as all will vary greatly when compared with supposedly another one of the same. Having said that, my pick is the Xeno. I just want to find a good one and the cash to get it now!!
Don't do it don't let them draw you into thier evil trap
I haven't really got Xeno-phobia
Still playing the Sovereign 928 I bought in 1989. Superb instrument, they don't make them like that anymore.
Actually, they don''t make anything anymore but that's another thread. About the only thing that would tempt me away would be a xeno, purely based on the number of people that have recommended it. I've yet to have a blow on one so we'll see..
A 15+ year old large bore silver-plated Sovereign 928, which is what I have now (band's instrument!).
So far I haven't blown a modern cornet that compares. Bit like older cars, the metal's thicker, and it just feels better quality, although I take the point that I've probably got a very good example, the valves are fantastic. I did have a Cortois for 18 months or so, but still prefer the Sovereign . The Cortois cases are superb, though, much better than the plasticky Besson cases!
I would rather give an old Sovereign a complete overhaul and re-plate, than buy a modern cornet, and I really don't like the modern valves, with the plastic cross-piece things that you can put in backwards...........
Would like to try a Xeno, though, just to see If they're as good as the hype suggests.
I'm currently trying to decide what cornet to buy in a few months when I have saved money. I still need to try a xeno, at the moment that would be my 1st choice although I also want to try a courtois. If money was no object I would definitely get a Smith Watkins or get taylor or eclipse do a custom made job.
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