I don't know what all the fuss about players wages are. David Thornton is one of three maybe 4 Euphonium players I would pay to see/hear. Glyn Williams, David Thornton, Steven Mead and possibly David Child's when he isn't swooping and glissing. David T has acknowledged he went for the money, as have Leyland. Why is it still frowned upon to mention money? We hear about it in other walks of life, it's like a old boys network......oooh we don't mention money its just not British. Well some banders are the very best brass musicians around in all genre's of music. I would be more alarmed if they didn't get payed! Is it because some pertinent questions may get asked about what wages some conductors command for a 2 hour rehersal? As for Wingates, while everyone would admit their glory years are perhaps behind them can I suggest if it wasn't for that band fulfilling their role David Thornton possibly wouldn't of become the player he did. Don't slag them too much, they do a important job, moving potential from A to B. If we didn't have those types of bands, British banding would be getting left behind by their European counterparts right now. It's the strongest part of British banding, high quality lower level bands. Europe don't have that luxury in numbers.....yet!