Oh no, I'm sure people don't intend to tell people to shut up. But often it feels just a little like that, and each thread so responded to loses a lot of momentum straight away. I take issue with "pretty pointless". Certainly, talking here is not about taking your point of view and applying it directly where it will have most effect - but it is an excellent forum for taking slightly unformed ideas and knocking the rough edges off them, preparatory to presenting them to those who can do something. Further, the ideas are then out there, in circulation. Banding's current power players take little interest in what we say here, I am told, but that won't stay that way for ever - as the internet generation matures, those who look on this as a dangerous talking shop will retire and be replaced by those with a more enlightened take on the matter.