The flugel is not a real instrument

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Rambo Chick, Jul 13, 2011.

  1. Rambo Chick

    Rambo Chick Member

    Hi all

    The above statement (title of thread) is NOT a representation of my views just to clarify!

    My friend works for a music company over here in New Zealand and they come out with the most ridiculous statements and requests from their workers, the above being one of them!

    Another quote which still has us flabbergasted/highly amused:

    <in the office one morning there was a strong smell of gas>
    my friend: "we should call the fire brigade/authorities"
    Office manager/owner: "no it's fine get to work, New Zealand gas isn't flammable anyway"

    So re the flugel thing; they had a well known performer of these parts come to audition for something and the company said after that they:

    "couldn't believe someone would audition on a FLUGEL, because its just a blending instrument, and isn't real, it's a nothing instrument" !!!

    outraged I was, Outraged!! :eek: ;)

    Slightly tongue in cheek of course!
  2. covkiddownunder

    covkiddownunder New Member

    Typical!!! Someone should tell this "musical organisation" to look at just a couple of examples (Mahler 3 and Tippet 3) which confirms that the flugel is a real instrument. (Not bothering to even mention its relevance to brass bands of course, as he probably wouldn't recognise that as a credible musical entity, either...)
  3. worzel

    worzel Member

    What! He hasn't seen Brassed Off?
  4. MoominDave

    MoominDave Well-Known Member

  5. Vegasbound

    Vegasbound Active Member

    It's a doubling instrument for the 3rd or 4th trumpet....
  6. P_S_Price

    P_S_Price Member

    In SA music it is a colouring instrument; along with - Soppy Rano, 2nd Barredone, Euphalonium, and all Thrombones!
  7. tgfoxley

    tgfoxley Member

    What - on the basis that it is an "in-between" instrument?

    In that case, the tenor horn and baritone should be wary of these guys! :oops:
  8. Cath Ata

    Cath Ata New Member

    The tenor horn is not a real instrument!
  9. Rambo Chick

    Rambo Chick Member

  10. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Member

    The flugal provides a nice colour in the band and a bridge between cnts and horns.
    That said, it's seriousness as an instrument is undermined by the fact that with few exceptions it is played by failed solo cornet players that have a pleasant sound, but neither the technique, range or endurance to make it on the front row / principle cornet.
    In this sense though it is no different to the baritone & perhaps tenor horn - which are played mostly by failed euph /cornet players.
    All these instruments in the hands of the very best players are "proper" instruments though - it's just a shame they attract losers.
    (As a cr*p bass player I think I can say this!)
  11. Ianroberts

    Ianroberts Well-Known Member

    Time for you to put your tin hat on mate !
  12. CubbRep

    CubbRep Member

    I disagree that the Flugel is played by failed cornet/euphonium players.I would like you to say that to some of the top Flugel players in this country.It is a specialist instrument on which you develop your own style unlike a lot cornet players.
    I am a cornet player,but still love playing the Flugel and given any opportunity will take it out of its case and make a satement like Flugel is played by failed cornet and euph players is a bit drastic.
  13. katieeuph

    katieeuph Member

    Nope, just time for him to crawl back under the bridge he came from (you know, the one the 3 Billy Goats Gruff frequent....):rolleyes:
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2011
  14. Rambo Chick

    Rambo Chick Member

    ouch!! FEW exceptions? I'm afraid I have to disagree. Perhaps your experiences have been different. Speaking personally, flugel has been my main instrument on which (without blowing my own trumpet, da dum Cha!) I have technique, endurance (and although it could be improved, range). Flugel was the instrument on which I did my degree and I made it my own, and stood alongside the cornet players in terms of proficiency :)

    Losers? - cutting remarks!! Ouchy ouchy!

    I think I get that you mean it may attract players who see it as an 'easy' instrument. Sadly, given the parts that are written for flugel, it is invariably less challenging than say solo cornet parts (of course there are exceptions), and a source of frustration for me as a flugel player who would like to see more challenging 'technical' music written for the flugel in brass bands.

    That said however,it can be argued that a slow melody played well is just as tricky as high technical fast stuff, especially because there's no room for bluffing!
  15. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Member

    A degree in flugal horn - would you like a large fries with that!?
  16. HowarthBrass

    HowarthBrass Member

    Idiot who can't even spell FLUGEL!!!
  17. Thirteen Ball

    Thirteen Ball Active Member

    Having heard the very Flugel player who started this thread nail Geodicke's Concert Etude to the back wall of the auditorium, and rip out a top E to finish a blistering performance of 'Children of Sanchez' I'm guessing she ranks in the exceptions, right?

    (Oh, PS - it's flugel not flugal. And yes, there should be an umlaut over the 'U' but I can't be bothered chasing down the correct ascii character.)

    I'll let you tell Billy Rushworth he plays an instrument for 'failed cornet players' then. Good luck with that.....
  18. hobgoblin

    hobgoblin Member

    Sorry for mis-spelling flugal - my mistake.

    The tenor horn is a hand-bag of an instrument. It has a usefull role in the middle of the brass band, but outside of this context is less usefull than bagpipes. Most exponents seem to be either ladies of loose virtue, or angry little men with chips on both shoulders.
    As an instrument it is at the evolutionary dead end of saxhorn evolution - a sort of musical duck-billed platypus if you will. Still, I don't suppose there is any harm in playing one if you can't get the hang of anything else.
  19. DublinBass

    DublinBass Supporting Member

    Probably not the best choice of abbreviations ;-)

    I think any instrument in a brass band is 1) a solo instrument and 2) every brass band has them, thus they are real instruments...sure cornets and euphs get most of the glory...but there have been some fantastic soprano, flugel, tenor horn, baritone, trombone, Eb bass and Bb bass soloist over the years (and percussion too!!).
  20. fhornjd

    fhornjd New Member

    Nothing worse than people who can't spell flugel!

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