Supermarket Sweep

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by MrsDoyle, Aug 8, 2009.

  1. MrsDoyle

    MrsDoyle Supporting Member

    Big supermarkets such as Tesco and Asda are destroying the 'little guys' such as corner shops, convenicence stores, little independent shops and small chains. Do you agree?

    Discuss. :biggrin:
  2. Getzonica

    Getzonica Active Member

    I do agree. There are a lot less small shops than there used to be. Instead there are now the big stores that sell everything you need up to a point. I guess the advantage of that is that you only need to go to one shop for food shopping......
  3. Hells Bones

    Hells Bones Active Member

    The recession has hit the small timers hard too.

    The populace on the whole have become lazy as well.

    Times were, if people needed something, they'd hot foot it down to the local shop and get it.

    Now, if they need something they jump into the car and drive to Tesco/Asda/Sainsbury's/wherever the hell they go.
  4. MrsDoyle

    MrsDoyle Supporting Member

    It's not good.
    Tesco have 50.1% of food shopping market share. Not mentioning the other supermarkets in that.
  5. PeterBale

    PeterBale Moderator Staff Member

    This certainly isn't a recent phenomenon, and it goes a lot wider than food retailing. The mushrooming of shopping "malls" (can't stand the term, personally :mad:) has seen a steady decline in the independent retailer. The corporations owning the new centres are far more concerned with profits than with providing a service, and rents are soon pushed up well beyond what an independent operator is able to cope with.

    Wherever you go, you're hard-pressed to find much in the way of small shops, with all the units occupied by the same chain stores, and it seems to cover any branch of retailing you can name - books, shoes, clothes, not to mention recorded music (mind you, one has to accept that the internet has also played its part, being able to make a wide range of goods instantly available without the uncertainties of stock control or storage/display space).
  6. MrsDoyle

    MrsDoyle Supporting Member

    To be honest I think the dominance of one or two 'big players' can only be a bad thing.
  7. Anno Draconis

    Anno Draconis Well-Known Member

    Beware of hankering for Ye Olde Golden Age of shopping. I remember my mum having to go to five or six shops with my and my sister in tow, queueing in every one. They were often poorly stocked - the greengrocers in particular was regularly rubbish - and the whole process took an entire morning.

    We can now do a similar shop in an hour at Sainsbury's. Why should we spend valuable free time trekking round a mulitude of small shops that often carry less stock, where it's difficult to park and often more expensive?

    Where small "local" shops can and do score is if they provide something the big players can't; for instance there's an excellent butcher's shop in Middleton which is much better than any supermarket butcher. If they can't do this I don't see why they should survive. As usual, the French are better at this than us - French towns frequently have a lot more decent quality local shops as well as the big chains like Carrefour.
  8. BigHorn

    BigHorn Active Member

    I can see both points of view and no one has yet mentioned price advantage of supermarkets. Both retail models have their place - the problem is when you mix the two. If a large supermarket is placed on the high street in the centre of town then its recipe for disaster. You will end up with a sterile high street with just mobile phone outlets, charity shops, card shops, a cobbler, a Greggs and a McDonalds.
    If you site the supermarket well out of the way of the centre then independents have a chance. The big problem now is not the large drive in superstores, its the metro shops popping up everywhere usually right in the middle of town. No progressive council should allow such shops.
  9. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    Yes I do agree, but also independant shops like butchers in particular shut shop at 12 on a saturday. Bearing in mind I work 9-5 monday- friday, don't get much chance to shop at these places. Maybe if they were a little more accomodating and bring themselves into the 21st century then maybe they mightbe more competitve, becuase the food from these shops are much better than supermarkets.
  10. Leyfy

    Leyfy Active Member

    My other half and I have just got back from Cornwall and we went to quite a few towns and villages. I remember remarking to him that unlike the high street in most towns in Essex where you basically get the same shops over and over, in the South West it doesn't seem to be as bad as that. Lots more variety in terms of shops.
  11. Independent Silver Band

    Independent Silver Band Active Member

    In our country Wal-Mart has killed off most down town areas. In our town, and all across the country, most towns have empty store fronts. The biggest problem is the sending of profits to the corporate headquarters. In the days of the private shop owner, the profits stayed in the community, and were put back into the commerce of the local community.
  12. Kjata

    Kjata Member

    What I don't understand is that monopolys commission is meant to stop single giants like tesco, who has a massive 35% of the whole supermarket Market?!
  13. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    they have more outlets than anyone, there are only a couple of post codes they don't cover.
  14. Anno Draconis

    Anno Draconis Well-Known Member

    35% is a huge market share, but hardly a monopoly. That's why they don't get in

    Another aspect of the problem is that smaller shops historically tried to take on Tesco, Asda, etc. at their own game - cheap pricing and a wide range - rather than concentrating on what they were good at - providing a personalised, community-based service. That's a bit like challenging Martin Johnson to a game of touch rugby, when you're actually a much better golfer.

    For example, in order to cut costs to compete with the supermarkets, all the butchers' we dealt with stopped delivering. How many butchers' vans have you seen recently? And yet often - though not always - that would have been a positive advantage. Now, of course, that possible advantage has been lost, because Tesco et al have moved to fill the gap left.
  15. lynchie

    lynchie Active Member

    That might be an interesting one to bring back. The "veg box" companies that specialise in delivering a selection of seasonal fruit and veg to your door seem to be quite well established now. I wonder if a "meat box" company could be as successful. I can see a few possible advantages to it, butchers would have a unique selling point, and it might help make some of the unfashionable cuts of meat fashionable again.

    Hmm... now where could I find a butcher around here...?
  16. StellaJohnson

    StellaJohnson Active Member

    Mr Perks is being rather quiet.........................................................................
  17. lynchie

    lynchie Active Member

    Well, if he reads this and steals my idea, I want 30% of the profit. And if it all goes tits up and he ends up broke, I'll deny all knowledge.
  18. Anno Draconis

    Anno Draconis Well-Known Member

    There are fishmongers doing this very successfully, selling fish that you can't normally (or reliably) get in supermarkets.