some music teachers and their wisdom!

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by LilMissFlugel, Jul 6, 2006.

  1. LilMissFlugel

    LilMissFlugel Member

    Yesterday in a music lesson i was taught all about Brass Bands
    Here's what I learnt...

    * Instruments in a brass band include cornet, flugel and saxophone:eek:
    * That brass bands play classical music and very rarely other things
    * We all play the William Tell Overture
    * ALL brass bands compete anually in the National Championships in the Royal Albert Hall (chance would be a fine thing)

    It was also amusing (NOT) watching all the idiotic boys in my class pronouncing "flugel" in a variety of different voices and pitches:rolleyes: (i think il keep it to myself that i play one)

    Have any of you been as finely educated as me?

    Thankyou for reading my post

  2. Magic Flute

    Magic Flute Supporting Member

    Well, I must admit, that I wasn't educated about brass bands at all :oops: - until I started working with a brass player in my current school and then started reading threads on here! :biggrin: But then again, I'd never been told any of the stuff you learnt in that music lesson either...!
  3. 1alexm

    1alexm Member

    i educate my music teacher about brass bands
  4. tam-tam2

    tam-tam2 Member

    Actually being a teacher I am suprised at your teachers lack of background knowledge.....should never give false information and should do suitable preparation for the lesson. Did you put him/her right on the matter?;) :tup
  5. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Well-Known Member

    Sadly, not every classroom music teacher can be an expert on all things musical. It is always a shame when a teacher "gets it wrong" but unfortunately it happens. My suggestion would be to have a quiet word with them, maybe tell them that you play in a brass band and that you might be willing to help out in any further discussion of the genre - knowing many music teachers, they will quite possibly jump at the chance of having someone there who actually knows what they are talking about (and can demonstrate an ability on one of the instruments).
    It could well be the case that their source material wasn't accurate and they didn't have the time to do any research of their own - having read some of the guidelines that class teachers have to work from, some of it is frankly laughable and if they don't have a great deal of experience in a particular musical style they can easily find themselves repeating facts that are simply inaccurate.

    I would love to say that this is something limited to schools, but whilst at university one of our lecturers was discussing the classical period and discussing the use of trumpets at the time. He said a couple of things that were inaccurate and I picked him up on them - the fact that I had just been reading Altenberg's Trumpet and Kettledrummer's Art, from 1795, meant that I could not just say he was wrong, I could also quote from source material to prove my point. Afterwards he actually thanked me for the information - he wasn't an expert on the trumpet playing of the time, he had read it in a book and assumed it was right.

    Have a quiet word with your teacher - you never know, next week you could be giving the class:clap:
  6. horn1

    horn1 Member

    This is quite worryingly true, I bought sibelius instruments software for my music department last year and was really annoyed when I saw the brass band. The info on instruments varies widely in accuracy and the pictures bear little resemblence to the actual instruments! The baritone had a picture of a Euph and I'm not really sure what the Euph picture is, some sort of hybrid I think! I think the basses were a little strange too. The instruments could be American versions (I think they differ slightly) but the annoying thing is that it is refered to as A BRITISH Brass Band.

    It's true that music teachers can't be specialists at everything, I have to do a lot of research to teach some areas, but it is a bit worrying that your teacher thought a sax was a brass instrument!
  7. vcbjet

    vcbjet Member

    For my first two years at senior school we had a superb music teacher who both played and appreciated brass intsruments (and band). He was also a talented pianist and even played some other woodwind instruments. After he left he was replaced by a teacher who didn't even know what a Euphonium was! She had no appreciation for brass and was pretty much against it completely saying we were too loud!!!!
  8. Lauradoll

    Lauradoll Active Member

    I take it you were in my lesson yesterday then. That's exactly what I tell my students! ;-)
  9. BandTaxi

    BandTaxi Active Member

    .... oops wrong thread
  10. LilMissFlugel

    LilMissFlugel Member

    Knowing my teacher i dont think she would listen to little year 7 but i will try next lesson and let you know how i got on :D
  11. sugarandspice

    sugarandspice Active Member

    I always educate my children in the finer arts of Brass bands! I took my Euphonium in to my November placement (yr 1's) and had 5 weeks to educate my year 6's in my last placement, we did have a cornet player in the class tho!!

    Am growing a fine selection of young brass players in devon :0 they just dont know it yet!
  12. vonny

    vonny Member

    A few months ago I prepared a lesson for my 14-16 year old group and i decided to do some research on brass bands... I was amazed at how much material was 'out there'. When I actually came to deliver the lesson I made it as fun as possible and the students loved it - and they now know all about brass bands :D
  13. Andy Moore

    Andy Moore Member

    From what I have experienced and heard, music education in this country is diabolical, and a big part of the reason brass bands are probably doomed.
  14. TheMusicMan

    TheMusicMan tMP Founder Staff Member

    WOW Andy, that's a bold statement. OK, perhaps not up there with Orchestras and some other musical groups, but do you really think Brass Bands are doomed... :(

    Might be a good time for a new thread on it... I shall look out for that.
  15. 1alexm

    1alexm Member

    music education is diabolical, all we do in our lessons is watch stuff like grease and the little shop of horrors and other boring musicals.
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2006
  16. Magic Flute

    Magic Flute Supporting Member

    Well we don't do that in mine!
    Would be good if the 11 year olds we get had actually done any music before they got to us though...
  17. Andy Moore

    Andy Moore Member

    When I started at my school, there was a fair amount (about 15, I think) of brass players. There is, now that I've left ... 2. Ok, I can hardly say this is an accurate sample of schools, but from what I've heard from others it's a similar story. Youth bands (again from my own and friends' experience) are struggling to find players, and as a result less players will be fed to 'adult' bands.

    I can't see how bands will find young players to fill seats if kids aren't starting to play, or sticking to it.
  18. matti_raz

    matti_raz Member

    At Smithills we've had a fairly consistent band of about 35 for over ten years now and thats a minimum...... Not only this but the vast majority then go on into adult banding because of the enjoyment they get out of being in a successful, friendly school band.
    The Education is great as well!!!!
  19. Liz Courts

    Liz Courts Active Member

    Once in my GCSE music class we were talking about musical terms. We were asked what, "con sordini," meant at one point, and I answered, "with mutes." Then my teacher turned around and said, "correct, although in brass parts it often just says, "muted," because brass players are too thick to understand anything else." I told him off for that one, and a couple of years later I bumped into him in a pub and he bought me a drink to apologise!! :biggrin:
  20. Lauradoll

    Lauradoll Active Member

    Part of my job means I go out to all our feeder schools and teach music to the year 6 students and develop schemes of work for the lower year teachers. It really helps when they come in the September as first years. We also have a feeder schools brass band, orchestra and woodwind group (co-ordinated by my peri staff) which rehearse at my school once a month. I guess I'm lucky though, my other two music teachers are woodwind and string specialists and I'm brass so we've got all bases covered that way.

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