Sibelius First Question

Discussion in 'Computer Corner' started by DocFox, Jan 23, 2015.

  1. Bbmad

    Bbmad Active Member

    Ah yes quite so, must be about tea time I do get mixed up with time zones plus its a full moon this evening, for some reason I never quite feel myself during this phase.
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  2. DocFox

    DocFox Retired

    I bit the bullet and upgraded Sibelius. So far it works great. I found an upgrade discount coupon and spent $149. After having the Android and Apple apps programmed, my discretionary funds are very low. The radio station is really a habit. I lose a lot of money keeping it going, but I love it. It is not only a habit, but a hobby. Hence my reluctance at first to spend the money. But I did. It should solve the transposition problem (actually, it does) and my expensive sound sets I bought 10+ years ago were easily imported.

    I would like to know from Finale users if it has a Brass Band template. My Finale is so down level it will not even come up on my Intel Mac. It was made to run on the really old Macs.
  3. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    Contrary to what I said in an earlier post, I now find that Finale2014 does indeed have a brass band template. I have never used it, having always set up my own from scratch, so I can't say how useful it is.
  4. DocFox

    DocFox Retired

    When I compare my "homemade" template to the one on Sibelius, Sibelius makes it REALLY easy. My template with creative workarounds worked, and did a decent job, but nothing like a "real" template. You ought to try it with a simple hymn on Finale -- maybe only do 8 bars or so and see what it does and how well it does it.

    I bought Finale because at the time, it did MIDI input much better. Today, I think the two are close in functionality -- it is just a matter of which interface you like the best. They both give out test versions that last 30 days or so or have some other restriction (like prints with a watermark or will not save after 15 days, etc.).

    Try them, see which one you like the best. I am upgrading, so I am not sure if this is still true, but at one time, they would sell you Sibelius at 1/2 price if your were an educator or worked for a non-profit (I directed the choir at my church). That made the initial cost reasonable. Not sure if they still do that or not.':confused:
  5. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    I have been using Finale professionally for around twenty years now. Most people would consider me an "expert" user, although I will readily admit that there are areas of the programme where I have little experience. I know nothing about guitar tab, and I rarely use chord symbols; I have some experience of working with lyrics, although I don't write complex choral music. I also have little experience of what one might describe as "avant-garde" notation. I do however have a great deal of experience notating for orchestras, brass bands, concert bands, big bands, and sundry other ensembles.

    I do know two things:

    1) The brass band template that I have created and refined over twenty years regular use is infinitely superior to the one that Finale supplies; even at a cursory first glance, I can see a number of obvious things that I would have to modify in the "off-the-peg" version before it would be useable for me, including instrument sound definitions, percussion layouts, staff group allocations and so on. And that's before I start looking at the print layout parameters which are all set up and stored in my own template ...

    2) The twenty years experience, study and knowledge (not to mention the money) that I have invested in Finale mean that it will never be an attractive proposition for me to learn a new user interface for a different notation software package. I'm not going to get into any discussion concerning relative merits of Sibelius v Finale, because I don't know enough about using Sibelius to be able to comment with any authority, but until somebody offers me a hefty fee for undertaking a notation project and stipulates that I must use Sibelius, I have no motivation to try it.

    FWIW you can still get substantial discounts on Theological/Educational licences for Finale.
  6. DocFox

    DocFox Retired

    20 years a is LOT to invest! No wonder your template works well. I have been playing with the Sibelius template and it works great. I am sure I will makes changes (especially to the sounds) but not 20 years worth.

    Gareth, I am ashamed to say, I do not know the answer to this question. Have any of your arrangements/compositions been recorded? I sure would like to hear them if they have been. You would think with all the CDs I have I would have a copy of most things, but that is not true. I have one recording of "Star Trek" and at least 15 of Mr. Jums.

  7. GJG

    GJG Well-Known Member

    I have a few recordings; probably not of interest to the wider forum membership, so I'll send you a PM with more details.
  8. Slider1

    Slider1 Active Member

    If you use 8va/vb in the LINES box (Ctrl L) Sibelius will reproduce the notes thus selected up or down an Octave etc. which should help in playback, also by dropping the note an Octave and using the 8vb line gives you the 2 Octaves you require.
    Hope this helps
  9. mikelyons

    mikelyons Supporting Member

    Sorry to chip in so late, but doesn't the Euphonium instrument in Sibelius do this automagically? I have never known it to play at the wrong pitch. are you creating your instruments using the Unnamed Treble staff and then renaming it? If you are on Sib 7 upwards, goto Home->Change and insert an instrument change to Euphonium [Treble clef] at the very beginning of the staff in the score.. Or have I misunderstood the question?

    Sibelius First is a complete waste of money. Did you miss the chance to upgrade for $89? If you are an educator, you can get the Academic discount.
  10. DocFox

    DocFox Retired

    I use Sibelius. I have never had a playback problem. Just as MikeLyons said, make the instrument Baritone T.C. and it can be written in treble clef and will sound a 9th lower. You can use a non-transposing score and write/arrange in concert pitch and then back to transposing to publish. You will have a bit of cleaning up to do, but in Sibelius, they even have a Brass Band worksheet that lists all the instruments in treble clef (except bass bone and tuned percussion) and playback in the right octave - even Eb and BBb bass. I have a copy of Sibelius First collecting dust. I use Sib 7.5.
  11. DocFox

    DocFox Retired

    My latest Sibelius project for Brass Band is FREE and has an Open Cultural license. That license says you can download it, print for free, give away, and make your own arrangement from mine. I used the brass band template. It is Bacchanale March from Saint-Saƫns' opera Samson et Delilah without the oboe introduction. It is rather difficult. I spent years on it and it probably still has errata.

    Oh and I do ask if anyone records it officially or unofficially, that they send me a copy of the recording. It is free to hear the Sibelius made mp3 and download at ScoreExchange.