Rudy Muck Mouthpiece ...any information.

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by jrshimmon, Apr 5, 2009.

  1. jrshimmon

    jrshimmon Member

    I have just bought a Rudy Muck 13c Mouthpiece off ebay yesterday. Not heard of them until the day I bid on it. I've done some research and know if its a genuine one its worth £40 - £50 quid in new condition fairly decent. I got it for Much Much less!:D

    I know its a Sop Mouthpiece but any extra info on this or thoughts on how they feel and crucially have I a bought a dud? I've just taken up Sop as an experiment with my SA Corps Band and would welcome any tips on or suggestions on mouthpiece selections.

    I current play front row on a DW 5b and can play the Sop with it but the top register is a really flakely with not real substance to it. I'd like to have the confidence to know when I come in on a top A that it going to sound the same 4 beats after I've come in. Rather than distorting or fizziling out.

    Any other pointers, hints or tops would be really appriciated on getting to grips with the sop would be good too.

  2. sop 1

    sop 1 Member

    as iv said on many a thread (LOL) get a warburton screw rim as u can try different rims with different backbores,theres alway loads on ebay too as they are quite expensive new!
  3. Squeaker

    Squeaker Member

    Bit of a co-incidence this, as I've just ordered a Rudy Muck mouthpiece recently, I'm waiting to get it.
    I play on a Vincent Bach 17c at the moment, which is the best I've had so far, but if you put pressure on (which does happen at times), it can be restrictive. The Rudy Muck is the same as my Bach mouthpiece, bit with a cushioned rim to allow better blood flow in the lips when playing with a bit of pressure.
    I'll let you know how I get on with it.
  4. MoominDave

    MoominDave Active Member

    I've got one in my hand right here - Rudy Muck, 13C, cushion rim. Bit of a specialist screamer trumpet mouthpiece, really - it's basically a little indentation in the middle of a vast flat rim. It'll give you a very thin sound.
  5. jrshimmon

    jrshimmon Member

    Thanks for the responses so far.

    I looked at the Warburton Website and being new picking my own mouthpiece I wasn't sure where to start. But if I get serious about this Sop playing I'll deffinitely consider shellin' out for one.

    I should get the RM 13c in a couple of days so I'll post my opinion once I've had it a few days to test it out. I've also got a VB 7E from Ebay again late last night, so I'll give that a try in the next few days too.

    Cheers for all you help so far.
  6. JayneSop

    JayneSop Member

    RM Mouthpiece


    I used a RM mouthpiece when I first started playing sop some 20 years ago. It was an old trumpet mouthpiece given to me by Eric James who was conducting the Band I was playing for at the time. I used it then for about 10 years or so before buying warburton mouthpiece.

    The cushined rim help a lot when i started especially as I did squeeze quite hard to get higher register notes then. But I changed to warburton in the end, in order to play with a bigger rim.

    I don't agree with previous post about thin sound with RM. I never had any problems with that infact i had the opposite experience and it did help me with tunning problems and balance problems.

    Just as important as buying a mouthpiece that suites is making sure you've got Charles Colins lip slurs book to work from. Using that book will extend your range and more importantly improve the sound in the higher register. The other important thing is just to enjoy it. Its certainly the best seat in a brass band! Good luck and have fun!
  7. jrshimmon

    jrshimmon Member

    Cheers for the Info Jayne I'll look for one of those Charle Collins books. I'm looking forward to giving this RM a try.

    Thanks Again
  8. Squeaker

    Squeaker Member

    I've got that book too, it was recommended to me by Grimethorpes sop player when I had a lesson with him.... and it is really fantastic!!!! It's helped my playing on no end.

    Sop mouthpieces are such a common discussion. It's what works for the individual, everybody has a different embouchure and a different technique. I've gone through a few mouthpieces trying to get settled. I've never had a mouthpiece that I couldn't play on, but there are some important points to consider when choosing a mouthpiece. A lot of sop players (especially those just starting to play sop) go for a 'bird pool', really shallow mouthpiece. This may be a quick fix in getting used to playing high notes, but in the long run, probably won't be good. If you're producing a thin sound, you need a deeper mouthpiece.
    If you find it hard to strike notes, you need a mouthpiece with a flat dip below the rim, before it rounds into the cup (hope that makes sense).
    If when you apply pressure you feel your lip tiring quickly and leaving a sort of dent on your lip, you need a cushioned rim.
    If you struggle with the Rudy Muck 13c with a weak sound, maybe try and get the 17c, as this will be the same rim etc, but will be a deeper cup.

    I hadn't even heard of Rudy Muck until recently. They seem pretty good having looked at the specs on the website. Similar to Bach and Warburtons but with the cushioned rim.
  9. sop 1

    sop 1 Member

    any idea wot the 6D warburton equivalent would be? might try one as they sound very interesting!
  10. Alyn James

    Alyn James Member

    Hi, Jayne!
    I've still got my Dad's RM 13C mouthpiece...when he wasn't blowing through it he used it as a paper weight and toffee breaker upper - once I saw him knock a small nail in with it.:)
    I could never quite understand how he made such a huge fat sound through such a tiny cup...and he could play right up top ALL day....I don't remember him ever playing low stuff though - an all-round mouthpiece it aint!
    Thanks for steering Mog onto Warburtons the other year - defo the way to go for him.
    Cheers :tup
  11. sop 1

    sop 1 Member

    iv just bought a Rudy Muck 19C this morning,just to try it.if i dont like it i'll sell it on so watch this thread lol
  12. brownrob

    brownrob Member

    Its a little deep but Ive stumbled across a Rudy Muck cushion rim mouthpiece, a bit battered, but it says 419 on the rim

    Looks like it may have got stuck in a cornet and someone took a pair of pliars to it... but it looks very old but the rim and shank itself look OK!

    Can anyone shed any info on it?
  13. Alyn James

    Alyn James Member

    If you don't like it, keep it for cracking nuts at old man used his for that too....:)
    Got another memory of the old man's RM....
    Aged about 15 I came home from school with the story that Louis Armstrong could hit 200 Top Cs then hit the F above that. The old man, still in his colliery overalls and covered in black stuff, said he could do that but to save time he'd double-tongue them. He went to the nut bowl, got his RM, and stuck it in his trumpet. Then, without a warm-up ("that's for sissies") he d-t'd 176 Cs and slid up to the F with vib..
    As he chucked the RM back in with the nuts he said, "Bu***r! Should've taken a bigger breath!"
  14. sop 1

    sop 1 Member

    lol i remember that! need a new nut cracker! ;)
  15. JayneSop

    JayneSop Member

    Hi Alyn

    Your Dad was certainly one of a kind!! Such a character... I learnt so much from him!
  16. Squeaker

    Squeaker Member

    I've got my Rudy Muck 17c today and tried it. I don't know who does the comparisons for specs, as mine was compared to my Vincent Bach 17c. It's nothing like it. The cushion rim is brilliant, but with a shallow cup I can't get a very warm and soft sound on quiet playing.
    So I'm going to have to try a deeper cup. If anybody has one deeper than the 17c that they don't need, let me know. Also, if anybody wants a 17c, I'm going to sell it on. Let me know if you're interested.
  17. jrshimmon

    jrshimmon Member

    My 13c Arrived today finally! Unfortunately someone has machined the neck down its so narrow I can't get it to fit either Sop I have at home properly. I can wedge it down by Bb Sovereign but it sounds just barmy.

    I can just get it to catch the rim of the neck on my Getzen's shank... just. I like the cushion rim I can get on with that. I'm not so sure about getting a decent sound out of it though a bit like the 17c you've tried Sqeaker. I'll experiment with it a bit more. I may shell out for a new if In think I can get on with it and develop some more sound from it.

    I think I will need a wider rim mouthpiece genrally anyway.

    Oh well at least it only cost me a couple quid. Nothing ventured nothing gained aye?

    Squeaker : Which one is smaller, my 13c or your 17c?
  18. Squeaker

    Squeaker Member

    I would tell you if I had a clue! I've checked the website and got no idea. I wouldn't believe that anyway as they were inaccaurate comparing theirs to a Bach.

    Is the 13c like a bird bath (shallow in a bowl shape cup)? The 17c is too shallow for me.
  19. jrshimmon

    jrshimmon Member

    I've had a quick check on Bill Lewington Site it appears my 13c Has a wider cup diameter. Cup does look alot like a bird bath aswell. It appears to be a shallow conicle shape to me.
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2009
  20. sop 1

    sop 1 Member

    had my 19C back today,lets just say think im gonna stick to my warburton! :oops:

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