Results-"We Wuz Robbed", "its a lottery"

Discussion in 'The Adjudicators' Comments' started by Al, Mar 29, 2003.

  1. Al

    Al Member

    On this forum, for example was the following . . . . .

    [/quote] . . . . I heard the same in the bar, everyone seemed to be of the opinion that <enter a band name here> should have won, etc. etc.[/code]

    I usually reckon its best not to take too much serious notice of what's said in the bar, passionate as it may be. The speaker has usually drunk far more pints than they have listened to bands in the section anyway.

    I've come to the conclusion to only take notice of that person who hasn't been p***ing it up in the bar, HAS listened to ALL the bands, has a proven musical track record and has probably been sitting in an enclosed tent type thing for the past few hours. . . . .
  2. super_sop

    super_sop Supporting Member

    just wondering was this going anywere specific?
  3. Straightmute

    Straightmute Active Member

    But haven't you ever gone in to listen to a few bands (between pints of course) and come out thinking:

    "well at least we've beaten them!"

    only to discover that you've heard first, second and third prizes murdering your favourites pieces when you've come seventeenth. Been there, got the T shirt.

  4. Darth_Tuba

    Darth_Tuba Active Member

    You are making two drastic assumptions:
    1) That someone couldn't possibly be in the bar AFTER the contest has finished and hence still listened to all the bands.
    2) Just because someone is in the bar at a contest doesn't mean they have been drinking. I myself was driving at both the Yorkshire and North West areas.

    Also, I have found myself that someone who has heard, say three or four bands, can compare those few better than someone who has been forced to hear them all!
  5. Al

    Al Member

    I've never yet seen a thread on a forum go anywhere specific, Super Sop.

    Its just that I get fed up with some of the rubbish that comes out regarding the results. This year I listened to as many bands as I could in our section (aye, and still managed a couple of pints with the die-hards in the bar).

    The results I couldn't disagree with (and we were about half way up/down - and deservedly so).

    Needless to say I heard the usual "its a lottery" - from those bands of course that weren't placed (needless to say).

    Sorry to be negative, I know its a well thrashed out subject (that's going nowhere anyway) but I just wanted me tuppence worth.

    Straightmute. er I admit - can't deny having had that feeling a few times .

    Darth_Tuba - NO ONE listens to ALL the bands and then goes to the bar after the results . . do they?

    . . and to be in the bar is to not be in the auditorium

    Nope we go to play, socialise (OK have a drink) and enjoy ourselves. We employ specialists for the most difficult job of all - the adjudication. I wish more folk would reasonably accept that.
  6. neiltwist

    neiltwist Active Member

    I have listened to all the bands in the section (after I have played) before, and thought that one of the bands played well, one played really badly, and others were 'average'. The other bands all came 'nowhere', and the band that I thought played badly was anounced as fourth! the good band played well and came second, but it just shows that peoples views are different. and sometimes the result may even be fixed. at a different contest, my band was by far the best, but we still came 4th. some points were for entertainment, but we came 2nd on the music, and were beaten by a band two sections below in the youth nationals, where you can enter any section as long as you feel comfortable competing in that section, or rather, you could at the time, things have changed somewhat since then.

    but the point is, peoples views differ, and contests aren't always about which band is the best, or even plays the best on the day. music sounds different when you're wrapped up in a tent!
  7. super_sop

    super_sop Supporting Member

    I was just wondering, because ive herd of a band in this years areas that is going to complain about a last place they recieved. I listened to all the bands in that sect. and thought the result was about right. didnt mean to cause any offence by the comment honest :oops:
  8. Al

    Al Member

    No offence taken Super_Sop, (short reply comments do tend to come over as curt and abrupt on forums!).

    I wonder if anyone has any stories about appealing and inquiries against contest results. Its not like say, exams - where at least the papers are available as evidence.

    I think the whole thing can be summed up by a quote from (I believe) Harry Mortimer after adjudicating a contest "The winners go and celebrate - the rest of you can make your own arrangements".

    Ah well, only 49 weeks to go . . . . . . .
  9. neiltwist

    neiltwist Active Member

  10. :?: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't almost impossible to listen to ALL bands in the section you play for, even if 1st or last on because of signing and waiting :hammer

    I just had to use one of the new emoticons!!!
  11. cornetgirl

    cornetgirl Active Member

    I agree that everyone has their own opinions on how they played and who should come where.

    I'm guilty of coming off stage thinking woohoo we did well....then getting hideously depressed when we don't.

    But at the end of the day, it all comes down to the man in the box - and who are we to judge what goes on in their minds (in fact, what DOES go on in their little heads???!)

    Rach x
  12. WhatSharp?

    WhatSharp? Active Member

    What interests me is that Scotland manage 2 adjudicators for their areas (is this all sections?) whilst everyone else has to make do with one poor bloke in the box picking numbers out of a hat... oops sorry I meant making a desicion based on musicality and interpretation.

    Personally I think all contests are a bit of a lottery and some you win, some you loose. When it goes against you you can't help feeling a bit miffed but when it goes for you do you ever stop and think "No that can't be right!". Actually I did once happen upon that at a local contest where a band (won't mention any names) were given all the prizes and they were extremely embarrased about it.

    But thats contetsing, swallow you're pride congratulate the winners and grit your teeth, remember every dog has its day.
  13. Aidan

    Aidan Active Member

    there are some bocs who dont play (or arnt playing at that particular area) and just come along to listen to all bands..
  14. Wonky_Baton

    Wonky_Baton Active Member

    Best bet is for the band to do their best, go to the bar, drink and emjoy the day. When the results are on celebrate for winning, drown your sorrows for losing but either way keep happy cos contests arn't worth getting upset over. There are loads of opinions but only one counts and it all depends what the judge is looking for. Same performance different judge different result, its all luck of the draw and interpretation.

    Its enough to drive you to drink. :roll:
  15. Aidan

    Aidan Active Member

    If you cant take a joke... dont do contests!
  16. WhatSharp?

    WhatSharp? Active Member

    And never to promise to have a party and buy all the beer if you come in the top 6 :wink:
  17. HBB

    HBB Active Member

    It's really bugging me now Aidan

    what does BOC mean, you use it too much! :D

    Ben ;)
  18. HBB

    HBB Active Member

    Somehow, I think that you write that from experience Steve! :p You've never said it at our band :( you gonna start :p:D
  19. WhatSharp?

    WhatSharp? Active Member

    I do write from experience... wonky baton's to be more precise... and mighty fine beer it was too!
  20. neiltwist

    neiltwist Active Member

    Same performance, SAME judge, different result.

    or the adjucator will tell the composer it is not in his own style!

    i've seen a certain adjudicator sing how the piece should sound on stage!

    whenever I adjudicate, and to be fair, it's never a brass band contest, I look for most musicality, entertainment etc. and sometimes, while you can't criticise a composer of being at the wrong speed, there are other conductors who can get more out of a band, and make a piece sound better.

    I think it's important that we have open contests rather than set test pieces sometimes, simply because different bands have different strengths, but they may be of the same general standard.

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