I agree with Roger.... guess I was lucky enough to be brought up with manners! :? I think walking through a band while practising or even while a conductor is talking to the band is the height of bad manners. I think not apologising is as bad, with the exception being if you have telephoned in advance to let people know and they are expecting you late anyway.... still the words 'sorry I am late' can still be used. The worst players are those who are late, walk through the band, don't apologise, then have to spend half an hour making their valves work! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: WHY couldn't they have practised or just checked the instrument before they came out? Might get a bit of stick for this one.... but in my experience it seems to be the older generations who are late and don't apologise.... that and the 'best' players in the band (those who think they are fantastic when they are not!) Wonder if people agree or disagree witht hese comments?