Picc Hire!

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by cjconnor24, Jul 21, 2005.

  1. cjconnor24

    cjconnor24 Member

    Does anyone know where to hire a picc trumpet (Bb), or even if such a place exists?
    I'm located in Glasgow but could probably travel.

    Its a strange request i know but its for a wedding, i dont own a picc, and at the moment can't really afford to splash out!

    any help would be much appreciated!

  2. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Have you played a Picc before?

    If not, I'm not sure it's a good idea just to hire one for one gig. They are a different beastie altogether and require a lot of work in order to be able to play them well and in tune!

    Any time I know I have a gig that requires picc, I start working on the instrument as soon as possible, doing scale studies etc to get familiar with the intonation and slotting. I usually start of playing it for 15 mins a day (after doing normal practice on Bb), then increasing to say two or three 15 minute sessions throughout the day! This could be for at least a week before the gig. (I've owned a picc for about 12 years!)

    The other thing is, if you require a picc to play upper register notes, you need to be able to play these notes on normal Bb trumpet to. It ain't like a sax that has an octave key!! :)

    trumpetmike is a picc specialist so he will verify the above and offer more qualified opinion I'm sure!!

    However, you could try a local store and see if you can get one on trial ;)

    Please don't think I'm trying to be patronising in my answer. I don't know you or anything about your playing.. for all I know picc playing for you might be as easy as blowing out candles!!

    Good luck.
  3. Steve

    Steve Active Member

    Try our local orchestras and get in touch with their trumpet players. Worked for me when I was after an Alto bone a few years ago.
  4. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Active Member

    What he said

    Without sounding patronising, if you haven't played picc before, this could be a very nasty shock for you. They are a whole different ball game to any of the other upper brass instruments. If I don't keep mine in my daily practice schedule it will bite me when I do need to play it.
    If you have a D trumpet - why not use that?
    If you are playing with a decent organist - get them to transpose and play it on your Bb?

    If you have played piccolo before and this is just a situation of not owning one - I would agree with contacting a local store and seeing if you can get one "on approval," then returning it saying that it is not what you were hoping from as a piccolo trumpet (if you want to baffle the shop, say that you had tried a Blackburn and were hoping that this one would be as good - it won't be, so you can get away with it).
    If you were further down South I would probably be in a position to help out (I own three piccs in assorted keys and have access to a couple more), but Glasgow is a bit of a problem for me. Have you contacted any of the pro players in that area (I believe a certain Mr Wallace is based up there now - he might be able to help you out).

    If this is your first experience of piccolo playing, and you do decide to get hold of one, best of luck. I hope it is nicer repertoire than my first piccolo concert - Brandenburg 2 - if you don't know it, be afraid, be very afraid!

    If you want any assistance with piccolo I am more than happy to help out.

    Word of advice - DO NOT go for one of the cheap ones on Ebay (they are cheap for a reason). DO NOT got for an Amati (they are also cheap for a reason).
  5. euphybeast

    euphybeast Member

    Try the university, one of the students may loan you one to supplement their meagre income.
  6. cjconnor24

    cjconnor24 Member

    Hey guys,

    thanks for all the great advice.

    I have played the picc before....(haha not expertly but i can scrape by:p )

    i'm playing Prince of Denmark's March (Clarke trumpet voulantry!). I could easily play it down the octave on my normal Bb but i just dont think it has the same effect! i'll give all your suggestions a try!

    Much appreciated!

  7. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    I'm confused now! You asked for a Bb Piccolo to play this?

    If the Organ part is in D major, then trumpet part would be in E major (a bit of a pig on Bb piccolo!!), even if you do this on normal Bb, your highest note would be a C#. The trills are awkward, unless lip trilled.
    I've done this on normal Bb with organ, on piccolo in A and on Eb and D trumpet. NEVER on Bb picc!

    There are plenty of arrangements of this available, can your organist play in a different key? Say Bb so you can play it in C major?
  8. cjconnor24

    cjconnor24 Member

    Haha iv confused myself, its because i only have the organ part, no trumpet part....just been transposing!

    Yeh, the organ part iv got is in D (Matthew Drayton arr.)

    (haha im not too good at these things, can u tell??)
  9. Dave Payn

    Dave Payn Active Member

    Absolutely. If the PODM is in D, you need a piccolo in A, no question.

    Nevertheless, I would say the hire charges, should you find a place (and I can't think of one in Glasgow. The biggest music store there has closed down) are not really worth getting a picc, unless you're getting paid hundreds of pounds for this wedding. PODM is perfectly playable on a D trumpet. It's even playable on an Eb trumpet/cornet. Key's awkward (B major) but for that piece, the fingerings generally aren't, apart from the trills in the second section which mean alternating between 2nd and 1st valve for the trill (I've done that many times myself.. and if I can do it......)

    Better still, get the organist to transpose to Bb. Most organists worth their salt won't have too much trouble transposing (it's like a daily exercise for most organ students!), or get him/her to write it out in Bb instead of you.
  10. davidquinlan

    davidquinlan Member

    Ah right then.. well, a D trumpet will be the easiest option (you will be playing in C major) (there is someone selling one here on the forum!!), next easiest is on an A piccolo (you will be playing in F major!), if all else fails, normal Bb trumpet.. E Major, nasty trills!! :)

    To make it a bit easier, arrange it so you take turns with the organist on the tune for each repeated phrase so you can get a breather!!

    Good luck!
  11. cjconnor24

    cjconnor24 Member

    Thanks allot people!!

    God bless TMP eh :tongue: :biggrin:

  12. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Active Member

    Definitely check whether the organist can transpose - like trumpeters, it is part of their lifestyle.
    Ask them to play it in concert Bb major, you play it in C, nobody needs to spend money on a new instrument, nobody needs to learn how to play a new instrument - the audience (happy couple and congregation) won't have a clue that you are making life easier for yourself.
    They are there for the wedding, not the trumpet solo.

    If your organist can't tranpose at sight, get a copy of Old English Trumpet Tunes Book 1 (published by Oxford University Press) - it has PofD in concert Bb major.

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