Peri rates?

Discussion in 'The Rehearsal Room' started by Crazysop, Jan 7, 2008.

  1. Crazysop

    Crazysop Member

    If a local short staffed youth band was considering applying for 5 year funding for a peri to teach their members, say 2 hours a week, the total amount of funding required would depend upon the hourly rate.
    What is the going hourly rate for a suitably qualified peri?

    Also how would said band go about recruiting? would you try to find someone before you fill in the forms or would you fill in the forms then try to find someone if the funding was successful?
  2. stopher

    stopher Member

    Probably best to look at the rates on the MU website to see what the official rate is. Think it is around £26 an hour but am probably wrong!

    I know my school pays our peri staff £20 an hour and I got the same when I taught Brass at another school. I know if I went through the LEA and used their peris, it would cost £29.50 an hour and another LEA charges £33 an hour (the peris incidentally don't get that amount - it supports the extra activities, admin and buses that the kids in my school didnt use and we were paying for!)
  3. towse1972

    towse1972 Active Member

    National avarage about £18 to £18.50
  4. Ring me - you've got my number.

    Might have a solution for you... (don't worry it's not me haha!)
  5. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    Quite frankly, an insult! Considering that the MU approved teaching rate is £24.00+

    Just goes to show that, in the words of David Read when I saw him in Tesco's 'It's pound notes, not musical notes nowadays'

  6. leisa

    leisa Active Member

    my boyfriend charges £25 privately i dont know what the standard is but i reckon thats probably about right
  7. towse1972

    towse1972 Active Member

    Too true, but that's the sad reality of it.
  8. I keep hearing from brass teachers how much they struggle to earn well, and it is a sad reality, but they should know that risk before going into that career. Few people and fellow brass players I know want to shell out £24 for regular hour lessons, its just too expensive for what it is! They are better off sticking to £15-18 and getting more pupils - my first brass teacher charged £14 an hour.
  9. Timpking

    Timpking Member

    If you pay peanuts you get monkeys!!
  10. GingerMaestro

    GingerMaestro Active Member

    Unfortunately you can pay a whole lot of peanuts and still get a monkey of a teacher if you know what I mean. IMHO I think the required qualification for becomming a peri should be much higher. Some peri's go off to uni and come back with a little bit of paper unfortunately that bit of paper does not suddenly make you a wonderful player thus a good teacher
  11. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    The RAF pay £40ph plus expenses. Why should I accept less than what I'm worth? I bet there isn't anybody on this forum working outside music who would accept less than their qualifications and experience entitles them to, so why should musicians and music teachers have to put up with it? I suggest those who say £24ph is too much enroll for an hour's golf tuition, flying lessons, quad biking, scuba diving.....the list is endless.
  12. sparkling_quavers

    sparkling_quavers Active Member

    re: comments such as 'my first brass teacher charged £14 an hour"

    My first piano teacher also charged £14 an hour but this was about 14 years ago! Money is relative to the economy we live in. You have to remember that someone that is doing music lessons is recieving an hourly rate. They also may have to travel there and back and may also have to prepare resources for the session. Even if they were teaching from home you couldn't organise a lesson for every hour for 9 hours in one day. Therefore the hourly rate is really not comparable to other jobs. When I have done private tuition for science in the past. I figured in reality for every hour I was paid, it took me about 2 hours time. If I was charging £20 an hour then in reality I would be getting £10 hour. Once taxed, this is hardly a professional rate? Our LEA was advertising for a music teacher to do some local authority music centre stuff at a rate of £17ish an hour. I was truely shocked!
  13. trumpetmike

    trumpetmike Well-Known Member

    Sad, but VERY true - there are many people charging a huge amount and giving some terrible teaching advice (I know, I have had to pick up the pieces after some of them).

    Qualifications for teaching?
    Are there any that are required?
    To the best of my knowledge there are no required qualifications needed for peripatetic teaching.

    Just one BIG point "wonderful player thus a good teacher" - there are some STUNNING players who are TERRIBLE teachers. Being able to do something DOES NOT mean that you are the best person to teach it.
    I have had lessons from some amazing players and they have ranged from incredibly useful to a complete waste of money - the ability to play is no indication of an ability to teach.
  14. GingerMaestro

    GingerMaestro Active Member

    I agree to some extent but I think a teacher who is of a high standard playing wise and with the experience of playing at a high level is better equipped than someone who has had their head in a book for 3 years at uni and although might have a good knowledge of theory etc but is not a particulary good player.

    How can someone who is not capable of playing to a higher standard than the student they are teaching demonstrate for example a passage of music the student is having trouble with if they can't play it themselves. Yes they could try and axplain what the student is doing wrong but some people prefer to hear it to grasp what it is they are struggling with. the problem is that there are a lot of peri's out there who fall into that catagory.

    so to bring this back on to topic I think you should look at the credentials of the teacher and what they have done as a player and also as a teacher and work out if you think the fee is worth it.

    I hope this makes sense
  15. I agree entirely, and that is a good point. However - brass teaching probably, if i'm correct, has much less of a market, especially in this area for tutering brass players - people don't view it or rate it anywhere near they would golf/flying lessons/quad biking (in this area.. - it may be different in other parts of the country). There for, it needs desperate encouragement and we need to do all we can to get people taking up brass playing - charging £24+ an hour in schools isn't the immediate answer. Call it one hour a week ... 4 weeks a month, £96 a month. That is nearly the equivelent to keeping my car filled up with diesal every month! I think you'll find only the well off can afford this sort of thing and that's often the case which is a shame.
  16. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    So we should all sell ourselves short for the good of the movement? Don't know about you, but I've a family to feed.
  17. tam-tam2

    tam-tam2 Member

    Okay, I am not a peri teacher but a primary school teacher but at the moment I am on the supply list. I get paid per hour I work (not marking time I hasten to add ) and I get paid 23.26 an hour. Are you saying that therefore 24 quid per hour for teaching one musician (who probably wants to be there) should be anywhere near the money I get paid to teach 30 odd?
  18. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    One-to-one teaching is only really part of it. Many peripatetic teachers find themselves either spending time organising bands every evening or taking part in Wider Opportunities, which, in my opinion, was invented by the Devil himself. For those who don't know, Wider Ops is a relatively new scheme where instrumental teachers tutor a whole class of players in a junior band format. As there are a large number learning, the cost to the parent is minimal. It's really designed for schools where music hasn't been very high up on the agenda and possibly money is tight. Many pupils start off in a Wider Ops group and later go on to have individual lessons.

    I think that the money a teacher can expect to earn is relative to his/her experience or qualification, not by how many people they have to teach. If you were to take that idea to it's illogical conclusion, a head teacher should be paid less as they don't teach so many kids! If a peri only sees one pupil (luxury), are you saying that they should get one 30th of what you earn?

    I think that you also forget that many peri's spend a good amount of time sitting in their cars racing between schools to fit into unworkable timetables, for which they get paid nowt. When I was doing peri work for Cambridgeshire, I usually did between 2 and 4 schools per day, so the maximum I could feasably teach in a day was 4 hours. Most full time paris have to do evening bands as well just to make it up to a full time salary.

    Also, as a 'proper' teacher, your hourly rate is at the lowest supply rate. If you were to secure a full time position in a school, there are many options for specialising, thus bringing you extra salary points. There is the chance of promotion, head of department positions, positions within the inspectorate.The list is endless. Guess what the peri is doing? Still earning his £24ph, or less in many cases.

    Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now......
  19. Bass Trumpet

    Bass Trumpet Active Member

    Sorry I've read that again and it's a bit of a rant. Didn't mean it to be such, but I do feel quite strongly that peri's are often considered to be of a lesser stature than classroom teachers. I think what I was trying to say is that the two jobs are so different that they can't easily be compared.

    I hope that mods won't give me 100 lines now.....
  20. tam-tam2

    tam-tam2 Member

    Not at all but I think your comment about the head teacher is a little off, do you really think I hadn't thought of that. What many headteachers have on their plate nowadays is unbelievable.

    I feel I may have hit a nerve!!! Oh, I am actually paid as high as a supply teacher can (unless they have passed through the threshold. I think you are also forgetting the work that teachers do at home. Marking, assessment, planning and the list goes on. I disagree with some of your points and also you bring up some interesting ones that I admit I hadn't thought of and do see where you are coming from with those but you must remember a teacher works anything but 9 to half 3.