I think there's a more important issue at stake here though John. Forget the rights and wrongs of the Wrexham situation, who said what etc etc. This situation has proven that any band or individual in the country can theoretically be excluded from the biggest contest of the year on the say-so of a private hearing, and without the courtesy of an explanation. That is a questionable state of affairs, whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular case - and surely indicates that the procedure for any future situations of this nature needs setting down in stone, so there can be none of the 'smoke and mirrors' that have been complained about in this case. As I have said before, it may well be that the decision of the panel is entirely right, and that the honour of banding has been upheld entirely - but the manner in which events have proceeded does not reassure banding at large that justice has been done. This is why criminal trials are conducted in public, because justice does not just have to be done, but it has to be seen to be done. The long and the short of it is that nobody has enough information to make that value judgement on the justice or otherwise of the decision, for themselves. I can see why some members of the banding community find that hard to swallow. If there is to be a line drawn under this whole, unfortunate episode, it must come with reassurances that any similar situation will be dealt with far more transparently in future.