Discussion in 'The Adjudicators' Comments' started by Paddy Flower, Oct 17, 2011.
Have Kapitol made a threat?
Just repeating what a friend from Scotland told me the other day. From what he said it seems that by holding a pre draw it would be breaking Kapitol rules.
Could be completely wrong like, just what I'd heard on the grapevine.
why would it mean that the bands couldnt compete at the finals? is the pr-drw against kapitols rules?
I'm sure SBBA would have checked before proposing it!
I honestly don't know, like I said earlier I was just repeating what I was told (should have thought better than to post hearsay on here!:redface, but the way the convo went I was led to believe it was common knowledge in Scotland that Kapitol weren't happy with a pre draw.
Hopefully the issues (if any!) will be resolved. Got to say though that although a pre draw might not be good for the bands, it might not be good for the organisers in terms of meeting costs. At least if all bands have to be there at the same time more money would be taken from the bar/food courts/programme sales etc.
How much of the proceeds from the bar/food places at an event do the organisers get though? I'd hazard a guess at nil.
Since the Rothes Hall is inside the Kingdom Centre, local businesses do benefit from bands attending. Remember, the hall is hired for performance purposes first.
Definitely some sort of 'discussion' taking place! - http://www.sbba.org.uk/index.php?section=2&id=538
A bit strange that any organisation (esp SBBA) would go ahead with such a move without contacting the sponsors. The rules are ...
"CONTEST DAY15. a) The order in which a band will perform in a section will be decided by a draw. Contest Management has the right to apply discretion for matters that, or concern, the order of play.
b) A band must appoint a delegate to attend the draw and act on its behalf in all matters pertaining to the Rules. Any queries or requests regarding the Contest must be raised bythe delegate before The Draw takes place.
c) If a band’s delegate fails to attend the draw, the Contest Management will draw on behalf of the band.
d) In the event of a section being subject to a split draw, bands will be notified by the Contest Management. The first stage of a split draw must be carried out at least TWO (2)weeks before the contest date. Stage two of a split draw will take place on the contest day in accordance with a), b) and c) above."
Thanks for that update, btw!
For info the Pre Draw has gone ahead and the bands have been notified so presumably this has been cleared by Kapitol.
On a personal note I think this is a good thing to happen, for us bands on the outer edges of Scotland we can plan the bus better and not need to leave (unless we have an early draw number) at stupid o'clock to arrive at the hall an hour before commencement and drop off our draw delegate. It also means we can confidently arrange rehearsal facilities in glenrothes as, although the band hall does have understanding neighbours, they don't particularly want to hear a test piece being played at 6 in the morning on a saturday.
I agree, I'm about to phone the coach company now and be able to get an actual price from them... Quite happy with our draw, should be a great day! How are preparations going everyone?
Just a wee note AnnanTown Band no longer carry the APD in their title. Worth a punt at 14/1 mind. Can I say that or is that insider trading?
I still fancy Tullis to take this section but Shotts have to be a great each way bet at 15/2
All the runners and riders from the SBBA website, some very strong sections this year with a few big name conductors, even in the 4th section. Bede Williams, Alan Fernie and Bruce Fraser. Still sticking to my guns from my earlier post for all the section winners, but with Lochgelly bringing in Alan Ramsay you have to think they will move up a few places as Mr Ramsay will not go to make up the numbers. A good selection of conductors in the Championship section, and a lot of very good talented young (ish) conductors in the second section. What are the thoughts of the Scottish banding fraternity.
BAND - Conductor
Bo'ness & Carriden Silver - Steve Sykes
Broxburn & Livingston - Craig Anderson
Co-operative Funeralcare - Dr. Nicholas Childs
Dalmellington - Archie K Hutchison
Exchange Communications Whitburn - Ian Porthouse
Kingdom Brass - Frans Violet
Kirkintilloch - Philip McCann
Kirkintilloch Kelvin - Charles Keenan
Lochgelly - Alan Ramsay
Newtongrange Silver - Nigel Boddice MBE
Arbroath Instrumental - Michael Robertson
Bathgate - Eoin Tonner
Bon Accord Silver - Alan Duguid
City of Discovery - Bruce Wallace
Clackmannan - Paul McKelvie OBE
Dalkeith & Monktonhall - Jim Chamberlain
Granite City Brass - Alan Haggart
Johnstone Silver - Paul Kiernan
Newmilns & Galston - Nigel Boddice MBE
Unison Kinneil - Russ Young
Annan Town - David Shanks
Brass Sounds Inverclyde - John Boax
Campbeltown Brass - James McVicar
Coalburn Silver - Gareth Bowman
Croy Silver - Kenneth Blackwood
Dunaskin Doon - Chris Bradley
Irvine & Dreghorn - John Boax
Kilmarnock Concert - Raymond Tennant
Shotts St. Patrick's - Michael Marzella
St. David's Brass - John Dickson
St. Ronan's Silver - David Robb
Tullis Russell - Martyn Ramsay
Barrhead Burgh - Brian Keachie
Buckhaven & Methil Miners - David Neil
Dumfries Town - Peter Heyes
Jedforest Instrumental - Phil Rosier
Langholm Town - Alan Fernie
MacTaggart Scott - Mark Bell
Peebles Burgh - Alex Knox
Perthshire Brass - George D Annan
Renfrew Burgh - Mark Good
Selkirk Silver - Alan Fernie
Tayport Instrumental - Frank Culross
Bon Accord Silver 'B' - Richard Kidd
Callander Brass - Ian Milligan
Dundee Instrumental - John M Tonner
Dunfermline Town - Andrew Shaw
Dysart Colliery - Bruce Fraser
Hawick Saxhorn - Alan Fernie
Kingdom Brass B - Bede Williams
Penicuik Silver - Stuart Black
Queensferry Community Brass - James Anderson
Tullis Russell Intermediate - Steven Craig
Wow no comments on here for over 2 weeks about the Scottish Championships, do I detect apathy in Scotland ............................. or do you all really not care
Or maybe the discussion's devolved north of the border - http://kingdombrass.proboards.com/
Bit cheeky coming on another forum to promote your own, no?
I certainly hope so Scottish Critic - this piece is absolutely one that will split the section in my opinion
Don't write us off either. You have been warned!!!
I think the second section will be very interesting this year
We getting predictions on here? Mine are as follows:
1 - Co-Operative Funeralcare
2 - Kingdom Brass
4 - Kirkintilloch
1 - Kinneil
2 - Bon
3 - Johnstone
4 - Clackmannan
1 - Tullis
2 - Shotts
3 - Coalburn
4 - Irvine & Dreghorn
1 - Perthshire Brass
2 - Selkirk Silver
3 - Langholm
4 - Peebles
1 - Callendar Brass
2 - Tullis
3 - Dunfermline Town
4 - Dysart Colliery
Separate names with a comma.